

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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Feb 8, 2024 • 48min
S7 Ep. 19: American Fiction: Jacinda Townsend and James Bernard Short on the Joy, Pathos, and Complexity of Black Experience in the Oscar-Nominated Film
Novelist Jacinda Townsend and writer James Bernard Short join co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the movie American Fiction, which is based on the novel Erasure by Percival Everett. Townsend and Short discuss how the film addresses race in the publishing industry via its central character, Black author Thelonious “Monk” Ellison, who tries to make an ironic point by writing a book exploiting Black stereotypes and finds, to his dismay, that it’s received in earnest and a bestseller. Townsend and Short analyze director Cord Jefferson’s approach and the film’s themes of family dysfunction, freedom in storytelling, and the importance of portraying the complexity of Black lives. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Jacinda Townsend
Mother Country
Saint Monkey
James Bernard Short
“Aqua Boogie” | Blood Orange Review
“Rootwork” | Blood Orange Review
“Flash, Back: Langston Hughes’ The Simple Shorts” | SmokeLong Quarterly
Others:
American Fiction (movie) | Official Trailer
Erasure by Percival Everett
An American Marriage by Tayari Jones
Harlem Shuffle by Colson Whitehead
Sag Harbor by Colson Whitehead
Salvage the Bones by Jesmyn Ward
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
Thelonious Monk
Ralph Ellison
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
“The Little Man at Chehaw Station” by Ralph Ellison | The American Scholar, 1978
The Tuskegee Institute
White Negroes by Lauren Michele Jackson
“The White Negro” by Norman Mailer | Dissent, 1957
“Dragon Slayers” by Jerald Walker | The Iowa Review, 2006
“The Hidden Lesson of ‘American Fiction’” by John McWhorter | The New York Times
Origin (movie) | Official Trailer
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 11, “Annihilation, Adaptation: What's It Really Like to Have Your Book Made Into a Movie”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 2, Episode 11, “Brit Bennett and Emily Halpern on Screenwriting’s Tips for Fiction”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 33, “The Stakes of the Writers’ Strike: Benjamin Percy on the WGA Walkout, Streaming, and the Survival of Screenwriting”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 38, “Jacinda Townsend on Why Democrats Are Skeptical of President Biden—and How He Can Win Them Back”
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Feb 1, 2024 • 48min
S7 Ep. 18: AWP 2024 Preview: Glenn North on Kansas City’s Jazz, Poetry, and Barbeque
With AWP’s annual conference headed to Kansas City next week, poet and activist Glenn North joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to tell incoming writers where to find the best food and coolest hangouts in the city. North discusses Kansas City’s diversity, its history of racial covenants, and its newly rejuvenated Crossroads Arts District, which is near the convention site. North and Terrell, who also lives in Kansas City, highlight a variety of spots to check out, including the Green Lady Lounge, Swordfish Tom’s, The Blue Room, the American Jazz Museum, and Kansas City’s not-to-miss barbeque scene. North reads his poem, “Harmony on the Vine,” about the 18th & Vine Historic Jazz District, where he is the current poet laureate, as well as an excerpt from his poem for the 25th anniversary of the American Jazz Museum. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Glenn North
City of Song
Check Cashing Day
Love, Loss, and Violence: A Visual Dialogue on War
Others:
American Jazz Museum
Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art
Kansas City Museum
The Arabia Steamboat Museum
World War I Museum
Union Station
Kansas City Public Library
BLK + BRWN
Bliss Books & Wine
Rainy Day Books
Wise Blood Booksellers
Writer’s Place
Green Lady Lounge
Afterword
The Mutual Musicians Foundation
21c
Corvino
Farina
Extra Virgin
Anton’s
Soriée
Lulu’s
Jarocho
Prime Social
Earl’s Premier
River Market
Country Club Plaza
Gates Bar-B-Q
Jack Stack Barbeque
Bryant’s Barbeque
Joe’s Kansas City Bar-B-Que
Q39
LC’s Bar-B-Q
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Jan 25, 2024 • 45min
S7 Ep. 17: ‘What is History?’: Ed Park on Korea’s Past, Real and Imagined
Novelist Ed Park joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the role of alternate histories and counternarratives in popular culture, public record, and the general consciousness, via his new novel, Same Bed Different Dreams. Park talks about depicting and reimagining well known events and eras, including the Japanese occupation of Korea between 1910-1945; Korean resistance to that occupation in the form of the Korean Provisional Government; the post-World War II division of Korea into North and South, which became sovereign nations in 1948; and the Korean War, which lasted from 1950 to until 1953. He reflects on writing about more recent history, as well as his hometown of Buffalo, New York. The conversation suggests that positive alternate timelines, like the one Park creates, invite readers to learn more about actual events, whereas a more pernicious spin on the past may edit for the benefit of a particular group. Park reads from the novel.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Ed Park
Same Bed Different Dreams
Personal Days
Weird Menace
Others:
Charlie Kaufman
Philip Roth
Richard E. Kim
Jack London on Korea
Thomas Pynchon
BTS
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Jan 18, 2024 • 50min
S7 Ep. 16: Former Biden Speechwriter Nate Rawlings on Claudine Gay, Neil Gorsuch, and the Politics of Plagiarism
Journalist Nate Rawlings, who spent a stint as a speechwriter for then-Vice President Joe Biden, joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the politics (and nuances) of plagiarism. Rawlings discusses how plagiarism accusations derailed Joe Biden’s presidential run in 1987. He examines how the right-wing activist-led plagiarism accusations against former Harvard President Claudine Gay fit into the context of prior plagiarism scandals, and considers the possibility that new technologies like AI will intensify future politically motivated attacks. He also reflects on why some plagiarism allegations stick and shift opinion, and others don’t.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Nate RawlingsNate Rawlings | TIME.comOthers:"The North’s Jim Crow" by Andrew W. Kahrl|The New York Times, May 27, 2018"How We Squeezed Harvard to Push Claudine Gay Out" by Christopher Rufo | Wall Street JournalGrace: President Obama and Ten Days in the Battle for America by Cody Keenan What It Takes: The Way to the White House by Richard Ben Cramer"Plagiarism charges downed Harvard’s president. A conservative attack helped to fan the outrage" by Collin Binkley and Moriah Balingit | APElise StefanikClaudine Gay“Echoes of Biden’s 1987 plagiarism scandal continue to reverberate” by Neena Satija | The Washington Post, June 5, 2019Democratic Primary Debate, August 23, 1987Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 46, “Samuel G. Freedman on What Hubert Humphrey’s Fight for Civil Rights Can Teach Us Today”Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 16, “Chatbot vs. Writer: Vauhini Vara on the Perils and Possibilities of Artificial Intelligence”Nadia Schadlow, Small Wars JournalPeggy Noonan“Boys of Pont du Hoc” speech by Peggy Noonan for Ronald Reagan, June 6, 1984“I see the boys of summer,” by Dylan Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 11, 2024 • 42min
S7 Ep. 15: Bookstores Against Bans: Lauren Groff on Opening The Lynx in Florida
Novelist Lauren Groff joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the new independent bookstore she and her husband are planning in Gainesville, Florida. The Lynx, which Groff aims to open this spring, will feature banned books, an act of resistance in a state where more than half of school districts have seen book banning activity over the past two years. Groff reads from her recent novel, The Vaster Wilds.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Lauren GroffThe Monsters of Templeton Arcadia Fates and Furies MatrixThe Vaster WildsDelicate Edible BirdsFloridaThe Lynx, A Bookstore in Gainesville, FL | IndiegogoOthers:"Gainesville author Lauren Groff hopes new downtown bookstore will 'link' community together” by Lillian Lawson | The Gainesville Sun"A new report shows how corrosive book banning is. Novelist Lauren Groff is fighting back" by Emily St. Martin | Los Angeles Times"A Look Ahead to 2024: Laws and Book Bans in Florida, Iowa, and Illinois | Censorship News" | School Library Journal"Spineless Shelves: Two Years of Book Banning" | PEN America"Thousands of books were banned in Central Florida in 2023. Here's what to expect in 2024" by Danielle Prieur | NPR"Nearly 700 books, including celebrity bestsellers, banned in Orange County, Florida" | PEN America“Why Toni Morrison’s Books Are So Often the Target of Book Bans” by Olivia Waxman |Time |January 31, 2022“Florida County Bans 673 Books, Including ‘Paradise Lost,’ ‘The Color Purple’ to Comply With State Law” by Alec Dent | The Messenger“Book Bans Are Rising Sharply in Public Libraries” by Elizabeth A. Harris and Alexandra Alter | The New York TimesFlorida Freedom to Read ProjectHernan DiazFiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 12: “Intimate Contact: Garth Greenwell on Book Bans and Writing About Sex”Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 52: “Brooklyn Public Library’s Leigh Hurwitz on Helping Young People Resist Censorship” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jan 4, 2024 • 48min
S7 Ep. 14: Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and the Model Minority Myth: Prachi Gupta on the Rise of Indian American Presidential Candidates
Indian American reporter and memoirist Prachi Gupta joins the podcast hosts to discuss the rise of Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy as Republican presidential candidates. They explore the myth of Indian American exceptionalism, the role of class and caste in immigration, and the impact of gender on diaspora politics. Gupta also reads from her memoir, They Called Us Exceptional: And Other Lies that Raised Us.

Dec 28, 2023 • 48min
S7 Ep. 13: Holiday Archives: Danez Smith on Poetry, Blackness, and Friendship
In this holiday re-broadcast of an episode from April 23, 2020, acclaimed poet Danez Smith discusses the role friendship plays in their most recent collection of poetry, Homie. Smith talks to Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell about the isolating effect COVID-19 has had on black communities, using space on the page inventively, and writing about money. This episode is presented in conjunction with the Loft Literary Center’s literary festival, Wordplay, which in 2020 was a virtual event. To hear the full episode, subscribe to the Fiction/Non/Fictionpodcast through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favoritepodcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listenby streaming from the player below. This episode was produced by Andrea Tudhope. Guests:● Danez SmithSelectedreadings for the episode:● Danez Smith○ Homie○ Don’t Call Us Dead○ TwoPoems○ what was said on the bus stop: a new poem by Danez Smith○ my president○ VS podcast, from the Poetry Foundation, hosted by Danez Smith and Franny Choi● Others ○ Corona Correspondences: #28 by Danielle Evans (The Sewanee Review)○ Review: ‘Homie,’ a Book of Poems That Produces Shocking New Vibrations by PahrulSehgal○ Frank O’Hara○ As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner○ Angel Nafis○ Hieu Minh Nguyen○ Douglas Kearney○ 1977:Poem for Mrs. Fannie Lou Hamer by June Jordan○ Recordings of June Jordan from the RadcliffeInstitute for Advanced Study, Harvard University Digitized recordings and moredigitized recordings○ ‘Feet’ and ‘Spoon’ from Catalogof Unabashed Gratitude by Ross Gay○ Mirrors: Stories ofAlmost Everyone by Eduardo Galeano Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 21, 2023 • 49min
S7 Ep. 12: The Best Books Machine: Lydia Kiesling on Making the Lists—or Not
Novelist and critic Lydia Kiesling joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the creation and the spirit of year-end book lists. She talks about list culture getting its start at the small, online literary magazine, The Millions, and its eventual spread to seemingly every media outlet. The three grapple with the significance of inclusion on these lists, whether they really sell more books, and the ethics of their construction. Kiesling reads from her new novel, Mobility.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Lydia Kiesling:The Golden StateMobilityOthers:Books We Love | NPRA Year in Reading: 2023 | The Millions100 Notable Books of 2023 | New York TimesThe 10 Best Books Through Time | New York TimesA Year in Reading: 2023 | The Millions“Crime,” by Marilyn Stasio, August 19, 2001| New York Times “‘Terrorist’ – to Whom? V.V. Ganeshananthan’s novel ‘Brotherless Night’ reveals the moral nuances of violence, ever belied by black-an-white terminology” by Omar El Akkad, Jan. 1, 2023 | New York TimesMolly SternThe Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr SolzhenitsynBridget Jones’s Diary by Helen FieldingThe Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael PollanBlink by Malcolm GladwellThe Collected Stories of F. Scott Fitzgerald The Stand by Stephen KingA Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley The Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtryThe Joy Luck Club by Amy TanAnna Karenina by Leo TolstoyAli & Nino by Kurban SaidThe Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel HawthorneHeart of Darkness by Joseph ConradThings Fall Apart by Chinua AchebeThe Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway1984 by George OrwellPod Save America (podcast) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 14, 2023 • 49min
S7 Ep. 11: The Free and the Freed: Tracy K. Smith on Liberty
Pulitzer-Prize winning writer Tracy K. Smith joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the difference between being “free” and being “freed.” She suggests that citizens of the United States fall into one category or the other. The first appear to have descended from those who were always free. The second descend from those who were acted upon by those in the first category. Smith talks about the research she’s done to understand the roles her forefathers played in this country’s armed conflicts and the connections between the military and our historical understanding of freedom. She reads from her new collection of essays, To Free the Captives.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Tracy K. Smith
To Free the Captives
Life on Mars
Such Color
Ordinary Light
Wade in the Water
My Name Will Grow Wide Like a Tree
There’s a Revolution Outside, My Love
The Body’s Question
Duende
American Journal: Fifty Poems for Our Times (Ed.)
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 4 Episode 9: “Tracy K. Smith and Kawai Strong Washburn on Biden’s Debts to His Base (Especially Black Women)”
The 1619 Project
Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture
W.E.B. Du Bois
“The Glaring Contradiction of Republicans’ Rhetoric of Freedom” by Ronald Brownstein |The Atlantic, July 8, 2022
“Trump’s Second-Term Plans: Anti-‘Woke’ University, ‘Freedom Cities’” by Andrew Restuccia | The Wall Street Journal
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Dec 7, 2023 • 47min
S7 Ep. 10: Chicago in Verse: Taylor Byas on Writing About Her Hometown
Poet Taylor Byas joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss writing about Chicago, which she does in her Maya Angelou Book Award-winning collection of poetry, I Done Clicked My Heels Three Times. She talks about growing up in the country’s most segregated city, and considers its long traditions of Black, working-class, and ethnic literature, including writers like Nate Marshall, Lorraine Hansberry, Patricia Smith, and Jose Olivarez. She explains how moving away has given her a new perspective on Chicago’s politics, history, crime, and beauty. She reads a poem (“You from “Chiraq”?”) addressing how outsiders view the city, as well as from a crown of sonnets about the South Side.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Taylor Byas
I Done Clicked My Heels Three Times
Bloodwarm
Poemhood: Our Black Revival: History, Folklore & the Black Experience: A Young Adult Poetry Anthology (Ed.)
Others:
Richard Wright
Saul Bellow
Gwendolyn Brooks
A Raisin in the Sun by Lorraine Hansberry
The Jungle by Upton Sinclair
Nelson Algren
Stuart Dybek
The House on Mango Street by Sandra Cisneros
Nate Marshall
1919 — Eve L. Ewing
Patricia Smith
Promises of Gold by Jose Olivarez
Carl Sandburg
Chi-Raq (film, dir. Spike Lee)
Gordon Parks
Brandon Johnson
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