REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE

This week, I'm joined by Jenny Don’t & Kelly Halliburton (Jenny Don’t & The Spurs & Pierced Arrows), who discuss their bandmates/dear friends Fred & Toody Cole and the documentary UNKNOWN PASSAGE: THE DEAD MOON STORY.We also discuss how my very first Country/Western show was seeing Fred & Toody’s band Western Front, Jenny and Kelly’s wildly different entry points into Punk and Country, Jenny learning to sing using an answering machine, The Cole’s approach to get the job done with limited resources, how Kelly first met Fred Cole at the age of 8 because his Dad was already in a band with Fred, The Wipers, Poison Idea, the love for Dead Moon in Europe, the kindness of Andrew Loomis and the monster drummer he was, the origin of post-Dead Moon band Pierced Arrows and Kelly’s time as drummer with Fred & Toody, what is was like touring with The Coles & their late night casino adventures, how the doc captures the dampness of Portland, The Lollipop Shoppe and motorcycle exploitation films, the difficulties with crossing country borders with the Coles, how Pierced Arrows wrote their songs, a walkthrough of The Coles' one-of-a-kind house, Chris being to afraid to play the guitar he was going to buy in front of Fred Cole, The Cole's early bands The Rats & King Bee, how Fred Cole discovered punk rock at a Ramones show, ageism in early punk rock, The Dead Moon huddle and the Pierced Arrows 'ring power' ritual, how supportive the band was of the opening bands they played with, Mike Watt, Toody Cole continuing to rock, being a lifer in music while being in a couple band and so much more...So let's huddle over that melted candle shoved into a Jack Daniel's bottle on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.com ARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this week’s episode, we are joined by Johnny Echols, who was part of one of the greatest bands of all time, the 60's band Love. We are also joined by Mike Randle, co-founder of the band Baby Lemonade and Love w/ Johhny Echols, who, alongside Love singer/songwriter Arthur Lee & Echols, helped find new audiences for Love's music before Arthur died in 2006. We discuss how for a long time the music documentary Love Story was the only way to glean information about the mysterious band, how Johnny and Arthur originally met, Arthur’s (and Love’s) ability to create larger-than-life myths within their legacy, their disappointment with Elektra Records, the pros and cons of being a band in L.A., how playing in cavernous rooms on the Sunset Strip helped inform the sound of their first LP, how Arthur described the music in his head to the band, how Echols transformed Love’s classic ‘7 and 7 Is’ from an acoustic ballad to a punk classic, Arthur being backed by The Knack, the creation of their seminal classic album Forever Changes and how Mike got Arthur to revisit the album long after he had written it off, how Forever Changes was intended to be a double album with Neil Young producing, why the original members left the band, how Johnny was only 19 when the band was breaking up, recording their last single, the fight between Courtney Love and Slyvetster Stallone at a Love show and much more.So Oop-ip-ip oop-ip-ip yeah on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!!! LOVE WITH JOHNNY ECHOLS: https://lovewithjohnnyechols.com/REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.com ARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this week’s episode, we look at the ultimate song and dance man, Andy Kaufman, and the new documentary about him, Thank You Very Much, directed by this week’s guest, Alex Braverman. We discussed Alex’s parents working on the filming of Andy Kaufman’s Carnegie Hall stage show and how Alex discovered Andy through that VHS sitting on his parent’s shelf, how most of Andy’s comedy was infused with music, Tony Clifton, Andy's skill at wasting valuable network TV time, the incredible footage of Andy with the Maharishi and asking him about comedy, how Andy was happiest when the audience was against him, his congo playing skills, what shaped Andy’s humor, his comedy partner Bob Zmuda, his appearance on The Midnight Special and Fridays, the has-been corner, Andy busing tables at Jerry’s Deli at the height of his career, Andy taking everyone out for milk and cookies after the Carnegie Hall show, the scoring of the documentary by Chris Bear of Grizzly Bear & Alessandro Cortini of Nine Inch Nails, his turn as a wrestling villain, Andy’s devotion to Transcendental Meditation, Laurie Anderson’s friendship & stage partnership with Andy, our favorite Andy Kaufman moments, how Andy was a great fake crier and more!So, in honor of Andy, let’s beat on the congas two more times on this week’s episode of Revolutions Per Movie.ALEX BRAVERMAN:www.instagram.com/alexbravermanWHERE TO WATCH THANK YOU VERY MUCH:https://drafthousefilms.com/thankyouverymuchREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this week’s episode, we are joined by the legend Kevin McDonald of The Kids In The Hall, who talks about his upcoming rock opera, Superstar (A Rock Opera), and the films and music that influenced it.  We also discuss Kevin’s love of musicals, why comedians want to be musicians and vice versa, Kevin discovering Jesus Christ Superstar and the effect it had on him, the musicality of Kevin’s voice in his comedy, writing the Kids In The Hall sketches ‘The Suburbs’, ‘Daddy Drank, and ‘The Bass Player,' why rock operas are always so dire and full of trauma, how hard it is to write an ending for a sketch, Monty Python, Phantom Of The Paradise, Hedwig & The Angry Inch, why Kevin chooses to turn truly painful moments in his life into his comedy, Chris’ Colonel Jeffrey Pumpernickel concept LP with Stephen Malkmus & Ann Magnuson, how Kevin wrote his rock opera lyrics and melodies, the magic of Dave Hill, upsetting Flo and Eddie references in Kevin's rock opera, Paul Williams, The Mountain Goats, why "rock music" in a rock opera often rings false, who should direct the film the version of Kevin's rock opera and more!So, let's do our vocal exercises before hitting the stage on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!KEVIN McDONALD:See Superstar (A Rock Opera) Live At Soho Playhouse March 19-23, 2025Tickets: www.sohoplayhouse.com/upcoming-events/kevin-mcdonald-superstarREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.com ARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, we are joined by PULP's MARK WEBBER to discuss what was to be the most influential documentary of his life, THE SOUTH BANK EPISODE ABOUT THE VELVET UNDERGROUND.  We discuss Mark’s path from making fanzines (including interviewing Mo Tucker), & running the Pulp fanclub to eventually joining PULP as they embarked on their classsic records (DIFFERENT CLASS, THIS IS HARDCORE & WE LOVE LIFE), how Pulp composes music, being too young to get the Velvet Underground on first listen, the sweet spot of interviewing the Velvet Underground at the time of this documentary, Warhol's Factory, Mark’s first time in NYC paying homage to his NYC heroes, Jonas Mekas, record store clerk suggestions, Spaceman 3, Pulp in 1978, the highs and lows of being in your favorite band, Mark’s decades-long curation and research of experimental film, David Bowie as a direct line to the Velvet Underground, I Shot Andy Warhol, Bridget Berlin, Cat Power, Mark trying to do his own version of Warhol's Exploding Plastic Inevitable for Pulp called The Day That Never Happened, John Cale and Lou Reed’s solo work, Mark getting to witness the Velvet Undeground reunion shows in person, The Pulp People Accommodation Register, Nico and more!!!So let's wrap some trees in tin foil and start the lights strobing on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!MARK WEBBER:hatandbeard.com/products/im-with-pulp-are-you-by-mark-webberhttps://markwebber.org.uk/archive/about/https://welovepulp.info/REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, we are joined by musician, producer, composer, and filmmaker Brendan Canty (Fugazi, Rites Of Spring, The Messethics), who chose the wildly unexpected outlaw country documentary HEARTWORN HIGHWAYS to discuss. We also get to discuss the importance of his bands Rites Of Spring & Fugazi, Chris seeing Fugazi in a hippie cafeteria on their first tour, playing videogames with Elliott Smith, Brendan's Burn to Shine series that featured bands playing songs in a condemned house that was going to be burned down, Jem Cohen's film with Elliott Smith, the making of the Rites Of Spring LP, the gang mentality of bands, how his latest score is as if Greg Sage of The Wipers had used an orchestra, how growing up in the 80s country music was seen as the enemy, 70s Country's anti-establishment vibe, Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clarke, David Allen Coe, Brendan’s youth on CB radio, Willie Nelson being turned away from being in this film, talented nerds, what it was like recording the Fugazi records at the Inner Ear Studio, Les Blank, big box VHS tapes, Key & Peele parodying Brendans’ music and so much more!So put on that bejeweled belt buckle and let's tip our hat on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!!!BRENDAN CANTY:@Brendancantythemessthetics.bandcamp.com/album/the-messthetics-and-james-brandon-lewisREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, we are joined by MARTIN WONG (co-creator and editor of GIANT ROBOT magazine and self-proclaimed ‘shitworker’ for THE LINDA LINDAS) to discuss the music narrative punk film LINDA LINDA LINDA. We discuss Martin’s past writing for FLIPSIDE magazine and his initial exposure to punk music, how Giant Robot was started, our favorite obscure Asian cinema and music, how James Iha of Smashing Pumpkins did the soundtrack for this film, the L.A. Chinatown punk scene, the Linda Lindas opening for The Rolling Stones, The Blue Hearts, The Clash, Buzzcocks, Die Kreuzen, the power of hearing an amazing song for the first time, the current Japanese punk scene, Guitar Wolf, The Ramones dream sequence stand-ins in this film, punk rock video stores and what happens when you finally write your first good song.So let’s dive off the stage arm-in-arm on this week’s episode of Revolutions Per Movie!!!MARTIN WONG:@martinkendallwongbymartinwong.wordpress.com/giantrobot.com/collections/giant-robot-magazineWHERE TO WATCH THE MOVIE LINDA LINDA LINDA:https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x96udx0REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.com ARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week we are joined by the director and producers of the amazing Gary Young/Pavement documentary ‘LOUDER THAN YOU THINK,' one of the best music documentaries I have seen in recent years and also one of the most enlightening about Pavement. We discuss how surprisingly open the members of Pavement were to discussing Gary, Gary’s legendary home studio where he played drums and recorded Pavement's early records, the incredible marionettes that were built specifically for the film, what it was like for Brian to be in bands with Gary in the early 80s, the surprise explosion of Pavement’s success, Gary’s love of Prog rock and superstardom, the night Gary served mashed potatoes out of wheelbarrows to audience members, Malkmus’s PTSD from working with Gary, the age differences in the band, the battle between lo-fi and professional goals, Gary’s origin story from NY to CA, guitarist Spiral Stairs finding a box of unknown VHS tapes from their first Pavement tour, Rollerball, the blam-o-meter, Gary’s wife Geri, the trauma of him leaving the band after overstepping his role, Gary’s band Hospital, Beavis and Butthead, Gary’s serious advice column in a Japanese magazine, Gary’s struggle with addiction, the Watery, Domestic EP, Gary’s reaction to the film & the time he disrupted his own film premiere by heckling the documentary.So let's do collective handstands while the band plays onwards...on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!STREAM LOUDER THAN YOU THINK HERE:https://www.factorytwentyfive.com/louder-than-you-thinkREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, we are joined by actor, writer & comedian CLARE O’KANE (whose latest comedy album, Everything I Know How To Do, was released on Eugene Mirman’s record label) about the classic 1968-directed film MONTEREY POP! We discuss Clare’s Bay Area upbringing and being too uptight to be a hippie, our history with comedy records and what its like for Clare to make one, we share our weirdo pre-flight rituals, why the Grateful Dead didn’t want to be in the finished film and other performances that were cut out of it, the shocking lack of beards in the film, the optimism in the audience compared to two years later with Gimme Shelter, watching the audience experience Jimi Hendrix, The Who and Janis Joplin for the first time, who was the only artist to get paid at this charity event, how the film came together and how Paul Simon saved the concert from going under, the time Clare opened for Jawbreaker, the weirdo factor of San Francisco bands, David Crosby’s talking bout the Kennedy assisination, how can we Boogie and Choogle, how the song White Rabbit ruined the Jefferson Airplane for us and our acting turns that involved using this song, Godard’s seeing Jefferson Airplane in this movie and then filming them rocking out on a rooftop for his film 1am One American Movie, crying at live shows, Otis Redding’s incredible performance captured here, what would be the best band from this festival to have sex too, Chris spills the beans on an unreleased episode of RPM and much more!So let's laugh directly into the sun on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!!!Clare O'Kane:https://www.clareokane.com/REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods sent directly to you.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, we are joined by musician STEVE MICHENER (Big Dipper, Volcano Suns, Dumptruck, Barbara Manning) to discuss a documentary featuring one of Steve’s old bandmates, THIS IS NOT A PHOTOGRAPH: THE MISSION OF BURMA STORY!!!! We discuss the makeup of the Boston music scene of the 80s, Steve’s time in post-Burma band VOLCANO SUNS with Peter Prescott, the genesis of BIG DIPPER, how it was like Beatlemania for Burma in Boston, Burma playing 3 times a week in the early days, how Burma changed the music scene into an artier space, Propellor Records, The Girls and Moving Parts, what brought Clint Conley and Roger Miller together, the chaotic playing outside of their own song structures that Burma did, ultimate chemistry bands, Martin Swope’s magical live tape manipulation and what it felt like hearing it in the audience early on, the criticism regarding their records vs. their live shows, Peter Prescott’s scream, the band Sorry, the Moby hatred displayed within this doc, The Go-Betweens, discovering what tinnitus was through Burma and Roger Miller’s subsequent hearing loss, working at the copy shop with Prescott, the sadness of Burma breaking up and living under Burma’s shadow, Steve’s stints in Yo La Tengo and Dumptruck, the challenges of being in a band with multiple song writers, why and how Burma reformed, This Band Could Be Your Life, Bob Weston taking over for Martin Swope, how the band continued to grow after they reforemd, how loud was Burma really and a day in the life of a Mission Of Burma fan!So come sing out loud "dada dada dada dada dada dada dada dada dada" on this week’s episode of Revolutions Per Movie!!!STEVE MICHENER:@steve.michenerREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.