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“We know that this list-building strategy works. Where things fall apart most of the time for people that don’t have the results we would expect is because they’re not implementing the strategies.”Was it a hit or miss? Find out what happened when we launched our List Love Bootcamp experiment! Tune in today to get the full debrief of how this launch went from dreamy concept all the way to "that could have been better" completion, with valuable lessons learned along they way. You won't want to miss it so join us now and let's dive right into uncovering its successes and failures together!Key Points From This Episode:Motivation behind the launch of our List-Love program.How the List-Love program differs from our other programs. The importance of having a growth mindset when it comes to your business.Our approach to marketing the List-Love program.An overview of the structure of the program.Elements of the program that we most enjoyed. Responses that we have received since the program went live.What we would change about the program.  Why we hate making slide decks (and a hilarious TikTok that really resonates with us on this point). Helpful Links:Inner Circle Coaching ProgramAnd She Instagram This podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses, memberships, and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.

“The masculine leadership models that all of us have lived under for thousands of years are not working.” - KrisIn this episode of And She Spoke, we talk with CEO coach Kris Plachy. Today’s conversation explores her belief that being able to build teams is a more vital asset today than ever before. You’ll learn why she emphasizes having sound management and leadership practices, and why masculine leadership models just aren’t working as well as they used to.Here’s a sneak peek of what we discuss:Why being able to build teams is a bigger asset today than ever before.The role of sound management and leadership practices in retaining a good team.Why masculine leadership models don’t work as well as they used to. Striking a balance between collaboration and directive leadership.The importance of female allies. Offering value to your team beyond compensation.Why people-pleasing and people-controlling are two sides of the same coin.Why Kris believes that emotional resilience is such a huge asset.ResourcesKris Plachy (web)Kris Plachy on InstagramLeadership is Feminine PodcastJoy: Women’s SoccerHustle:  Your brain. The most underutilized performance tool…so take care of it!This podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses, memberships, and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.

We believe that thriving women create a thriving world. But, toxic power structures, both internal and external, prevent most of us from achieving financial independence. In this episode of And She Spoke, we talk about the importance of building an audience around your body of work (and not your body). Specifically, we share the values and ideas behind our brand new membership: Visible.We created Visible for women with big, bold business dreams, but who are struggling with showing up consistently online and are feeling overwhelmed and confused by the process of building a public-facing online business.Here’s a sneak peek of what we discuss:Why you need to forget everything you’ve been taught about marketing online to get visibleThe benefit of not just following the trends in online marketingOur signature visibility frameworkWhy we love Kevin Kelly’s 1000 True Fans blog post from a million years agoOur new And She Co. branding (and how it was influenced by Shonda Rhimes’ Bridgeton-inspired NYC writing apartment)ResourcesSubscribe to the new And She Spoke podcast feedJoin our Visible MembershipKevin Kelly’s 1000 True FansShonda Rhimes ‘Bridgeton’-inspired NYC apartmentHustle: Following a trend that is relevant to our brand – the 9-grid Instagram feed. Take a look here.Joy: The new And She Co. branding – check out our new site @ andshe.coThis podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses, memberships, and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.

Big life decisions take time, care, and a whole lot of energy! And as scary as they can be, the best way to overcome the fear of making the “wrong” decision is undoubtedly by taking action.Back in June, we welcomed the idea of a summer break. What we didn’t anticipate is that it would lead us to take six months off from the podcast.In this episode, we reveal exactly why our summer break took longer than expected, how big decisions need space and energy, and our relief and excitement for what’s next.Here’s a sneak peek of what we discuss:Why we took a break from the And She Spoke podcast for so longWhy making decisions about the future of your business is so challenging and how we got past the inertiaHow the pandemic changed our business and the realities of reaching “success”How we plan to help small businesses and creators build an audience, brand, and body of work in a public space that focuses on their thought leadership instead of what they’re eating for lunchResourcesSubscribe to the new And She Spoke podcast feedJoin our Visible Membership HustleLumen – a tiny device you breathe into that helps to track if you’re getting the right amount of protein, fat, and carbs in your dietJoyVisualize Value – a clever IG account Jeni likes to follow because it displays visually complex ideas in a simple and clear mannerThis podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses, memberships, and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.

Since starting our company, we’ve had some really interesting conversations about the vast difference between how men and women do things in the business space. Most female business owners we know (including ourselves), for example, actively work on their money mindset, struggle to trust their decisions, and have perfectionist tendencies……While the startup DudebrosTM of the world sail through business (and life) like it was made for them.This obvious discrepancy arises from the way women have been socialized for generations. We’ve been trained to be hesitant about our offerings because the idea of pleasing everyone else, constantly asking for permission, and doubting our own skills and abilities has been reinforced throughout our lives. It’s no mystery that these blocks show up in our businesses too. And it shows in how little female-owned businesses make each year despite their abundance.Our male counterparts are quite the opposite in their behavior, and after interacting with so many of them as well as paying close attention to business personalities in the media, we’ve come up with a list of “lessons” that we’ve picked up over the years. Some of these insights are extremely liberating, effective, and empowering. And it would actually do us a fair amount of good to be able to inculcate them in how we operate our businesses.But for the ones we don’t agree with, well, a little bit of humor never hurt anyone.Here’s what you can expect from this episode:Why most women choose people-pleasing over doing what they really wantThe importance of taking imperfect actionHow women are socialized to believe that their approach is the wrong approach Healthy humility vs. blind confidenceBelieving in the value of your work and how that translates to the clients who need your servicesChoosing yourself instead of asking for permission The avenues available for learning in today’s worldWe really enjoyed recording this one because it was a healthy dose of fun along with some truths that we deal with every day as female business owners. If you struggle with feeling confident about your actions and offerings (or are just in the mood for a laugh), this is the perfect episode for you to cozy up and tune in to! And once you’re done listening, don’t forget to connect with us on Instagram (@heymarvelous) and share your thoughts!This Week’s Joy:Sandy is absolutely obsessed with her giant new Alocasia macrorrhiza (Giant Taro) plant and its massive leaves! It brings a lot of joy and positivity to her space, and it’s the first thing she checks on when she enters her condo. This Week’s Hustle:Our Visibility Crash Course is 8+ years of our online marketing lessons condensed into a 5-day program that will help you amplify your voice as an online creator, show up more authentically in your business, and communicate effectively with the clients who need you. Learn more here!RESOURCES:CourseraHey MarvelousVisibility Crash Course This podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses, memberships, and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.

You know the feeling when you come home, and it’s like you just clocked into your second job?So many women feel the crushing weight of taking care of everything at home without asking for help from their partners or getting outside assistance. Why? Because that help is associated with guilt.And because they find it difficult to delegate or leave space for other members of the home to contribute, they cultivate a constant feeling of resentment and irritability towards the unpaid domestic and emotional labor that they’re putting in.But the truth is that these expectations are self-imposed. And they’re yet another direct and unfair consequence of internalized patriarchy.Today, we’re revisiting a conversation that we began about three years ago when we published episode 126: The Value Of A Wife. And in this one, we discuss Jeni’s recent step back from trying to take care of her home alone. We get into how opening a dialogue about the situation with her loved ones has made a difference and what she did when she realized that she just couldn’t fold everybody’s socks anymore. Here’s what you can expect from this one:An honest recap of Jenni’s thought process when she decided that something needed to changeWhy asking for help feels so wrong (and why we need to stop thinking that way)How treating your home like a second workplace can affect your mental healthWhy + how we internalize patriarchal expectationsThe domestic labor of decision makingThe importance of being intentional with your time, energy, and moneyIf these feelings resonate with you, we hope that this episode helps you understand that they’re stemming from something large and systemic. You are not alone in your responsibilities, and the people who love you will be more than willing to share the load so that you can take the break you deserve. And if you enjoyed this episode, find us on Instagram (@heymarvelous) so that we can continue the conversation!This Week’s JoyJeni has her eyes glued to shop-tend.com, an online store that sells beautiful vintage nightgowns (albeit all currently sold out) that inspire the free wandering spirit in her.RESOURCES:Drop The Ball by Tiffany Dufushop-tend.comVisibility Week – Visibility Crash Course

Web3 has revolutionized the digital art space. But it’s also a difficult concept to master, especially with all the misinformation floating around. However, with the right guidance and education, the world of Web3 is super easy to navigate.  That, my friend, is where we come in! We’re giving you the best possible introduction to this world by roping in an expert who can be a safe, reliable, and knowledgeable guide – Sofia Garcia! Sofia is a generative art dealer, art curator, and the founder of ARTXCODE and the nonprofit, CodeArt. Her journey from her first computer class in Miami to her first NFT art show is fascinating. And what began with curiosity and a step in the right direction has evolved into an exciting career in digital art curation. Sofia is amazing at simplifying the concept of generative art and breaking it down to help people understand how the gears turn.And in this week’s episode, she’s sharing it all with us!  Here’s what you can expect from this one:What generative art is, where it came from, and how it’s bought and sold todayNFTs explained like you’re five + how to incorporate them into your businessSofia’s experience in the digital art world and how it led her to art curationHow selling art in the form of NFTs is more beneficial to artists than physical artAn understanding of how generative art is minted onto the blockchainThe future of generative art (and why it’s getting brighter)Tons of resources to introduce you to the generative art worldWe gained a wealth of knowledge from this conversation. But more than that, Sofia helped humanize the art NFT space with her warmth and genuine passion for the work that she’s doing. We hope this episode ignites your curiosity and helps you learn more about this sphere of possibility. Get your pen and paper ready because there are some nuggets of gold in this one!This Week’s Joy:Sofia loves taking a workout break in the middle of the day with some Hot Yoga and she’s really been enjoying her current routine.This Week’s Hustle: The Superhuman email client is a lifesaver for anyone itching to hit inbox zero. It organizes your emails into folders, comes with premade snippets, and has gorgeous UI to top it all off!Sofia’s big 2022 resolution was to be as organized as possible and she’s been using Monday.com to help her get there! It’s a super-effective way to keep track of the artists she’s working with, the orders she’s receiving, and those currently in progress. 

Web3 is upon us. And if you struggle to understand it, you aren’t alone. In addition to being an  extremely male-dominated space, it’s also stuffed to the brim with jargon, all sorts of things we never learned in school, and a heckuva lot of uncertainty. (And what’s up with the cryptobros and apes, really?)But a few decades ago, people felt the same about the internet. And now, we can’t imagine life without it. NFTs, cryptocurrency, the blockchain and are the result of the evolution of the internet into something more secure, integrated, and functional. And we can already see the effects on several industries like finance, online events, and digital art. In this week’s episode, we’re talking more about Web3, cryptocurrency, and why we as creators and business owners need to learn more about this industry. Here’s what you can expect from this one:Why crypto will affect how you live, work, and buy in the future no matter what business you’re inThe importance of participating in the Web3 conversation as a female business owner or creatorA foundational understanding of Web3 terms that we hear all the time (blockchain, NFTs, smart contracts, and more!)How NFT art sales work and why they’re revolutionary for the digital art worldUnderstanding the difference between hot wallets and cold walletsProof of work, proof of stake, and the environmental concerns around Web3 technologyRegulations in the NFT space and why you need to know what you’re getting into as a buyer(If you’re thinking of clicking away from this episode because it’s not your speed, we’re going to urge you to explore that for a second!)Since it exists online, the creator economy is going to witness massive waves of change as the influence of Web3 grows. So, as a creator or online business owner, you’ll be impacted either way, so you might as well get a head start.So, pour yourself a cup of coffee, get your good stationery out, and get ready to take some serious notes as you tune into this episode!This Week’s Joy:Jenni has been loving spending her time growing microgreens with her family! It’s a super fun hobby, it’s extremely healthy, and it’s also a great way to cut down food costs because you literally get to eat what you sow.This Week’s Hustle:In her quest to learn more about the world of cryptocurrency, Sandy found the true-crime documentary Trust No One: The Hunt For The Crypto King. And in addition to being a very gripping story, it’s a great way to wrap your head around Web3 concepts and how they work. RESOURCES: OpenSea.ioEthereumSofia GarciaMybff.com WTF is an NFT?!? Crypto For Beginners + BIG SURPRISE (Video)True Leaf MarketTrust No One: The Hunt For the Crypto King

Today’s guest has one of the most interesting, thought-provoking, fascinating jobs we’ve ever heard of. All our lives, we’ve thought of art and medicine as two completely different pillars – one encourages us to think subjectively while the other is more objective and rational. But, artist-turned-medical educator Alexa Miller proved us so wrong. And we’re glad she did!Most of us are in the business of movement. We help people figure out their bodies, improve their health, and even diagnose some basic physical conditions. And for us to do our jobs in the most effective way possible, Alexa’s unique way of combining art with medicine and diagnosis is game-changing. Alexa got started on this path over two decades ago, when she went to London to attend art school. She had always been passionate about understanding the human body and researching human resilience and her yearning to learn more about it led her to the Wellcome Trust, an incredible reserve of medical history and images in London. As she was studying the images, she was struck by how the medical text directed people to look at patients. As an artist, she was always encouraged to interpret, ponder upon her thoughts, and dissect the different emotions she felt about the works she created and studied. On the other hand, the medical text encouraged her to make quick decisions. She wasn’t allowed to mull over, dissect, or think critically about what she was seeing. The experience was so jarring, that it prompted her to consider something she’d never thought about before: Is it possible to improve medical observation and diagnostic skills through art?And that question changed her life.It led her to work with some of the most reputed medical schools and museums in the country; teaching medical learners how to transcend some of the dehumanizing aspects of the hospital culture and use the tools of artists and great diagnosticians to observe, listen to, and co-create health with their patients. In today’s episode, she’ll be sharing her knowledge so YOU can improve your own work with the human body through art. Here’s what you can expect from this one:How Alexa’s own family history prompted her interest in the human bodyWhy she teaches entire classes around the concept of uncertaintyHow she hopes to bring teamwork back into clinical practiceThe dire consequences if uncertainty is handled poorlyHow she helps physicians speak to their patients each other by getting them to rigorously analyze artWhy it’s important for those who work with human bodies to stop, step back, and think about their diagnosis from different anglesThe implications of her teachings on public healthAnd more!If you want to experience the human body from a refreshingly new perspective, this episode is for you. Once you’re done listening, find us on Instagram (@heymarvelous) and tell us the most important thing you learned from today’s episode!RESOURCESThe Wellcome TrustPower of Teamwork - Brian GoldmanSection 4This Week’s Joy:Alexa has been loving the process of building her garden, even getting 3,000 pounds of dirt delivered to her house for it!This Week’s Hustle:Jeni and Alexa met at a Section 4 class and both of them can’t recommend it enough! Section 4 is an online business school aiming to make top-tier business education accessible (and affordable!) to all. That means you feel like you’re sitting in a business class at Wharton with the best minds in the country. The only difference?It costs just $83 a month!This podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses memberships and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. Unlike other startups, Marvelous was created by women for women. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.

People pleasing can feel necessary sometimes. Especially when you’re in the early stages of running a business. But, when does the urge to please ALL your clients become destructive?It’s easy to keep your clients happy when you're starting out and your audience is small. However, as your business grows, it gets trickier.No matter what you do, there are going to be clients who don’t agree with you.And sometimes, they won’t just be trolls on the internet. They’ll be long-term, loyal, paying clients who decide to stop supporting you the minute you make a decision that doesn’t align with their beliefs.Take Peloton, for instance. Just a few weeks ago, Peloton announced that they were increasing the prices of their monthly subscription plan by $5 for the first time in seven years. Now to us as business owners, this decision made perfect sense. Peloton is struggling to maintain the massive momentum they gained as the pandemic hit in 2020. And higher prices is the most logical way for them to combat their financial struggles. Plus, the $5 increase also came with a host of brand new features like 500 new monthly classes, 45 new instructors, and 4 new in-built products, just to name a few.But long-time Peloton fans were NOT happy. Reactions ranged from “I can’t believe we’re getting punished for buying the bike” to “your new sales strategy is just inconveniencing existing members”. And suddenly, Peloton was being painted as some evil overlord looking to steal pennies off of their innocent clients. And while the negative feedback you receive might not be at the same scale as Peloton, it’s important to think critically about client backlash. How do you deal with long-term clients turning their back on you? How do you respond when constructive feedback crosses over to negativity? And why does this happen in the first place?Those are just some of of the questions we’re looking to answer in today’s episode.Here’s what you can expect from this one:How to deal with criticism when you’re used to staying in the edgesThe kind of feedback we’ve received in our own businessesWhy female founders are always judged harshly for ‘daring’ to growOur constant battle between leadership and humilityWhy opinions should be taken as neutralAnd more!If you’ve been losing sleep over those comments on your latest Instagram post, or want to know how to deal with criticism as it comes, this is the episode for you!Once you’re done listening, find us on Instagram (@heymarvelous) and talk to us about a few comments that you’ve gotten from clients. How did you deal with them?RESOURCESMarvelous.bioPeloton’s Price Increase PostThe Billion Dollar Loser - Reeves WiedemanCopina TeaThis Week’s Joy:We’re both fans of tea (with Jeni even buying, no lies, 12 whole pounds of it recently) and Copina’s collagen-boosted ones are a godsend for our hair, skin, and nails! This Week’s Hustle:If you’ve been as fascinated by the insane rise and fall of WeWork’s Adam Neumann as we are, ‘The Billion Dollar Loser’ by Reeves Wiedeman is the perfect read to get all caught up. This podcast is brought to you by the Marvelous online teaching platform.Marvelous is an easy-to-use platform that helps you build and sell your own courses memberships and live-streamed programs. Go from idea to open for business in just minutes. Unlike other startups, Marvelous was created by women for women. If you're looking for a simple, streamlined way to build and grow an online business. You can learn more at Marvelous.