
Principle of Charity
Are you ready to burst your filter bubble? To hit pause on righteous anger? Principle of Charity injects curiosity and generosity back into difficult conversations, bringing together two expert guests with opposing views on big social issues.But here’s the twist: as well as passionately advocating their own views, each guest is challenged to present the best, most generous version of the other’s argument.This unique format comes from an ancient idea - the principle of charity - which tells us to seek the truth, not to win the fight; to truly understand the other before we instinctively reject them.The podcast is hosted by Emile Sherman and Lloyd Vogelman. Emile is an Academy and Emmy Award-winning film & TV producer who’s obsessively curious about ideas and holds onto the naïve belief that a generous conversion is still the best way to get to the truth. Lloyd has a doctorate in psychology, spent years as a leader in the fight against apartheid before building reconciliation in South Africa, and describes himself as a recovering extremist who’s passionate about the potential to change our minds.@PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.You can find Emile at: @EmileSherman on Twitter, @EmileSherman on Linkedin, You can find Lloyd at: @Lloydvogelman on Linkedin~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Producers: Jonah Primo - Find at Jonahprimo.com or @Jonahprimo on Instagram Bronwen Reid Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Latest episodes

Aug 9, 2021 • 1h 5min
Should Business Focus on Social Impact, or Just Stick With Profit?
Everyone is talking about “social impact”, or “purpose”, as a way for business to deliver greater good to society. But does having a social purpose actually help society any more than a business just focused on making goods that people want to buy, for profit? Is social impact hollow virtue signaling, a marketing tool to make customers feel warm and fuzzy? Or does it in fact signal a profound shift in our attitude to capitalism, where the common good is finally put first, where it belongs? With a global impact investment market at $715 billion worldwide, ESG (Environmental, Social and Corporate Governance) assets under management of $38 trillion, and businesses everywhere writing their impact manifestos, the stakes are high. Andy Kuper is the CEO of LeapFrog Investments, and a founding father of “profit with purpose” movement. He joins Judith Sloan, Contributing Economics Editor with The Australian newspaper, and a strong advocate for the simplicity of profit, as we deep dive into this fascinating topic. ~~You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked inFind Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and Twitter.This Podcast is Produced by Jonah PrimoFind Jonah @JonahPrimo on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 26, 2021 • 54min
Will AI Take Our Jobs, and if so, is that OK?
We first touch on the perennial question, whether technological disruption, this time in the form of AI, will ultimately eat our jobs so entirely that there’s no paid work left for us to do. We then take this prospect seriously enough to ask - will that in fact be a good thing? Is paid employment the cornerstone for the good life; rich with purpose, meaning, providing us the reward for our efforts, keeping us out of mischief, and holding society together? OR, is work, in fact, the pain we go through to have leisure. And freed from work, would we be able to find a greater sense of flourishing, as we use our time for family, community, pursuing interests, or just having fun.We have one of Australia’s leading public policy thinkers, John Daley, former CEO of the Grattan Institute, to console us that neither jobs nor the role of paid work, will be going anywhere, anytime. And philosopher Simon Longstaff, executive director of The Ethics Centre, who holds the contrary view, urging us to rethink the role and importance of paid work.You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked inFind Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and Twitter.This Podcast is Produced by Jonah PrimoFind Jonah @JonahPrimo on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 12, 2021 • 1h 5min
Should We Fight Climate Change or Adapt to it?
We are not here to argue whether climate change is real or not. It’s real, and it’s bad. We are here to ask the much edgier question - should we fight or adapt?Our guests include Rebecca Huntley, one of Australia’s leading social researchers, who shifted her entire career to exclusively fight climate change, using her expertise in human behavior to galvanise action.We also have Alan Heeks, a representative of the Deep Adaptation movement, which urges us to accept the catastrophic reality of climate change, and start a process of acceptance, adaptation, and building resilience. This episode turns our attention to the much overlooked emotional responses to climate change. From guilt, fear, anger, grief, acceptance, hope and love - what are the most appropriate emotions, and what are the most helpful as we face this global threat? Is telling the truth always the best path forward?You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.You can find Emile at: @EmileSherman on Twitter, @EmileSherman on Linkedin, You can find Lloyd at: @Lloydvogelman on Linkedin~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Produced by Jonah Primo @Jonahprimo on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 28, 2021 • 57min
Should We Put a Dollar Value on Human Life?
Leading economist Gigi Foster lets us in on the dirty little secret - our lives have been given a dollar value, and it’s used by governments to make a whole range of decisions, from whether we’re given that life saving medicine, to when to shut down an economy because of a pandemic. Covid19 has let us into this secret room, as we as a society grapple with how much economic pain we should suffer to protect the lives of the elderly and vulnerable. One of Gigi’s most articulate critics, moral philosopher Matt Beard, joins Gigi as we unpack the pros and cons of putting a dollar value on the most precious thing of all - our lives. Gigi Foster is a Professor with the School of Economics at the University of New South Wales. Educated at Yale and the University of Maryland, in 2019 she was named Young Economist of the Year by the Economic Society of Australia. Gigi is one of Australia’s leading economics communicators, and co-hosts The Economists, a national economics talk-radio program on ABC Radio National.Matt Beard is a moral philosopher with a background in applied and military ethics. He has taught philosophy and ethics at university for several years. Matt is extensively published, a columnist with New Philosopher magazine, and a podcaster on the ABC’s Short & Curly program.Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.You can find Emile at: @EmileSherman on Twitter, @EmileSherman on Linkedin, You can find Lloyd at: @Lloydvogelman on Linkedin~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Produced by Jonah Primo @Jonahprimo on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 14, 2021 • 1h
Is Porn Inherently Demeaning to Women?
Media professor and feminist Catharine Lumby sees a role for pornography in a healthy sexual diet, whereas public ethics professor Clive Hamilton has the self-confessed unfashionable view that it’s destructive and demeaning. They’ve clashed in the media, and we bring them together for the first time to see if we can tease out this complex topic, in a conversation that exemplifies the principle of charity. Everyone seems to be looking at pornography but its rarely discussed. 35% of all internet downloads are estimated to be porn-related, and porn sites receive more regular traffic than Netflix, Amazon, & Twitter combined each month. A third of porn users are female, and the industry is estimated to be worth $97 billion worldwide. So is pornography a healthy form of sexual expression, exploration and enjoyment for all these people? And a thriving industry of empowered performers?Or is pornography exploitative, demeaning, and ultimately destructive to our intimate relationships, even sometimes promoting violence against women?Our guests are Catharine Lumby and Clive Hamilton. Catharine is Professor of Media at Sydney University. She’s written extensively on this topic as an author, and is a frequent media commentator across print, radio and television. Clive is Professor of Public Ethics at Charles Sturt University. He has held academic positions at the University of Oxford and Yale. Clive was the executive director of public policy think tank The Australian Institute. Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman, You can find Emile at: www.linkedin.com/in/emile-sherman-201399213https://twitter.com/emilesherman?s=20You can find Lloyd at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydvogelman~~~Produced by Jonah PrimoInstagram.com/jonahprimo Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 14, 2021 • 1h 5min
Is It Moral To Eat Meat?
Fat Pig Farm owner and author Matthew Evans and vegan animal advocate Ondine Sherman of Voiceless join us to discuss whether it’s moral to eat meat. How are we to make sense of the incredibly complex topic of meat. First of all, is it right to take a sentient life? What about our evolution, our nature, our culture, and our taste-buds, all powerful forces that drive most of us to eat meat?Each year over 70 billion land animals and a trillion sea animals are killed for food. The vast majority of land animals live in factory farms.Have we, as a society, sanctioned the way these animals are raised for our consumption? Do we even know what goes on behind those walls?We look at all of this, plus questions like: Can we live healthy lives without meat? How does the raising of animals impact the environment and climate change? What about the huge numbers of animals that are killed growing crops?And what about free range; can we feed the world’s growing billions that way, at an affordable price?At the core of all of this, however, are the animals, whose experiences we are only starting to understand. We hold their lives in our hands. Have we fully reckoned with that responsibility?Our guests are Matthew Evans and Ondine Sherman. Matthew is a television presenter and author of the ethical meat eating manifesto “On Eating Meat”. Matthew runs Fat Pig Farm in Tasmania, and sees eating animals, reared humanely, as a key part of our diet. Ondine is managing director of Voiceless, the animal protection institute. Her latest book “Vegan Living” is out now. Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman, You can find Emile at: www.linkedin.com/in/emile-sherman-201399213https://twitter.com/emilesherman?s=20You can find Lloyd at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydvogelman~~~Produced by Jonah PrimoInstagram.com/jonahprimo Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 9, 2021 • 4min
Why we are doing this.
An Introduction to Principle of Charity and its hosts, Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.