Azure & DevOps Podcast

Joining the podcast this week is Amanda Silver! Amanda is the Corporate Vice President (CVP) of Product for Microsoft's Developer Division which includes the Visual Studio family of products, .NET, TypeScript, and Azure developer platforms. She has been key to Microsoft's transformation to contribute to open source with the introduction of TypeScript, Visual Studio Code, and the acquisition of both Xamarin and GitHub. She believes that a tight digital feedback loop with zero distance between end-users and engineering teams is a critical element of great product development.   In this episode, Amanda discusses what’s coming next for senior and junior developers alike. She shares her experiences on Microsoft’s Developer Division; what developers can look forward to regarding Visual Studio 2022, Azure PaaS, GitHub Codespaces, Visual Studio Code, and more. She also speaks about what the industry as a whole can do to improve developer and user satisfaction, attract more potential developers to the field, and how we can make education more accessible. Amanda has invaluable insights on many different topics that you’ll want to tune in for!   “We need to talk to our customers [and] the people we aspire to be our customers every single day — that’s the only way that we can make sure that we’re building products that people love and use.” — Amanda Silver   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:18] About today’s episode with Amanda Silver. [2:00] Jeffrey welcomes Amanda to the podcast! [2:08] Amanda speaks about her career journey thus far and what has led her to her current position at Microsoft. [5:21] How Amanda’s team is organized at Microsoft, the work that they do, and the practices they engage in with their users. [9:37] Amanda shares her thoughts on the importance of developers, how developers can become more effective in their roles, what the industry can do to attract more people into the field, and more. [12:29] How the industry is helping developers enter the industry quicker and what can be improved on in the industry to lower the barrier to entry. [16:30] About the upcoming release of Visual Studio and the recent preview. [18:57] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:29] Amanda describes machine learning and AI and how it can help developers. [22:33] Static analysis vs. probabilistic analysis. [26:09] Amanda describes the vision for Visual Studio Code. [30:02] Has Visual Studio Code become the most popular coding text editor? [30:58] There is a lot of Visual Studio Code in GitHub Codespaces. Amanda explains how these products fit together. [35:12] About the current work Microsoft is doing regarding Azure PaaS services and the changes that developers can look forward to in the future. [37:24] Are containers the future? [38:32] About Azure Arc, how it is designed, and what this means. [39:18] Jeffrey thanks Amanda Silver for joining the podcast.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Amanda Silver on GitHub Amanda Silver’s LinkedIn .NET 6.0 Hot Reload Visual Studio 2022 Preview GitHub Codespaces Visual Studio Code Azure PaaS servicesKubernetes Azure Arc   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Capers Jones! Capers is a software engineer and prolific researcher and publisher. He's written over 17 books on software engineering, software metrics, and software best practices — covering quality, productivity, and many other topics. He is a founder of Namcook Analytics, which is an international software consulting company where he currently serves as the Chief Scientist. Mr. Jones has spoken at numerous conferences and also advises international governments in software engineering. Capers started his career as a software engineer in the Office of the Surgeon General for the United States but found his passion for research and advisement at IBM where he developed methods of large project cost estimation as well as methods for productivity and quality measurement.    Today, Capers continues to publish, speak and advise while he bridges the learnings and data of over 20,000 software projects to modern tools, languages, and software challenges. His latest book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns, is coming out in August 2021. You can pre-order it now on Amazon!   In this conversation, Capers shares about his career in software engineering and researching; his upcoming book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns; trends he has noticed in recent data and his research; and big shifts that developers should be aware of in the industry. Capers also gives his thoughts on defect prevention techniques, design review, decomposition, formal inspection, static analysis, reusability, and more. This episode is jampacked with information on software quality and productivity — so don’t miss out!   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:22] About today’s episode with Capers Jones. [2:45] Jeffrey welcomes Capers to the podcast! [3:19] What led Capers into this field of software engineering and research as well as some of his major career highlights. [7:07] Capers recommends how to read through his body of work. [8:32] About Capers’ upcoming book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns. [9:26] Key practices that Caper recommends every team should be engaging in. [12:25] Has Capers found a difference in the trend of bugs for people who have decomposed software systems into multiple, smaller parts vs. keeping them all as a part of one codebase? (AKA the microservices movement) [13:32] Capers talks defect prevention techniques. [15:12] Defect detection or prevention/removal techniques for enterprise developers, or those running business applications, should employ. [16:16] What is a design review and how can you conduct one? [17:27] Ways that Capers has seen to implement a formal inspection that work well. [19:05] Capers’ thought process on static analysis today and what the data is showing. [19:48] Capers shares what has changed in software engineering recently due to new data and research. [23:04] Capers speaks about the importance of including users in the conversation as systems are being developed. [24:25] Capers talks about‘ reuseability’ when it comes to producing ½ million-1 million+ lines of code. [25:16] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [25:48] Capers gives practical advice based on research for mid-sized companies with 5-10 developers. [27:53] Capers’ thoughts on function points (and any objective measures for software size) in the modern world. [28:42] What can development managers do to measure how big the software system is going to be, if their team is high-performing, etc.? [30:05] What tool does Caper recommend to use? [31:17] Caper gives a rundown of which tools you should be considering. [33:51] How much new data has been gathered in the last several years compared to the past? [34:15] What can a team do to submit their past projects to be included in the research? [35:16] How and why you should apply function points today. [41:08] Half of the developers in the industry today have less than 7 years of experience which means the number of programmers has doubled since 2014! Capers shares his thoughts on this. [43:50] Capers and Jeffrey discuss other data and statistics regarding the industry. [45:15] Capers shares some parting words on how and why you should pick up his newest book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns. [46:03] Jeffrey thanks Capers for joining the podcast.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Namcook Analytics Caper Jones’ Email: Capers.Jones@gmail.com  Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns, by Capers Jones Software Risk Master (SRM) Tool from Namcook “Variations in Software Development by Function Point Size,” by Capers Jones | IFPUG Applied Software Measurement: Global Analysis of Productivity and Quality, by Capers Jones Software Engineering Institute   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey is welcoming an old friend of his, David Starr! David is a Principal Solutions Architect in the Azure Industry Experiences team at Microsoft where he focuses on helping companies bring their solutions to Azure and the Azure Marketplace, becoming Microsoft partners. David is the founder of ElegantCode.com, has served in numerous leadership roles, and has been an early and consistent advocate for Agile workflow and engineering practices. He is a co-host of his own podcast as well, Azure For Executives.   In this episode, David speaks about better engineering practices, different levels of testing, his favorite tools, and the absolute fundamental engineering practices that developers should be engaging in. He also shares his take on MOQs, shift left testing, pin testing, and more!   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:32] About today’s episode with David Starr! [2:11] Jeffrey welcomes David Starr to the podcast. [2:32] David shares some of his career highlights and what led him to work at Microsoft. [8:11] What are some of the great engineering practices that are most applicable today? [10:53] David shares some key takeaways around having better agility through better engineering practices. [15:22] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [15:54] Fundamental engineering practices that all teams should be engaging in. [18:58] David explains what pin testing is and why it is important. [20:20] David shares his favorite tools in Visual Studio. [21:26] How to know what levels of testing to add to your build when you’re getting started. [22:21] David’s take on MOQs. [23:35] Talking about different levels of tests. [23:57] Jeffrey and David discuss the Software as a Service (SaaS) transformation of the Azure DevOps team of going from Visual Studio Team Server to Visual Studio Team Services. [24:39] David explains the term ‘shift left’ testing. [25:43] Why shift left and not shift right? [28:22] Other engineering practices that David advises developers to go after, after the build and testing. [37:18] Where to learn more about what David is talking about and connect with him online! [38:12] Jeffrey thanks David for joining the podcast.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow David Starr on Pluralsight The Azure for Executives with David Starr David’s Website: ElegantCode.com David’s Twitter: @ElegantCoder David on GitHub @DStarr Scrum.org Ken Schwaber 97 Things Every Scrum Practitioner Should Know: Collective Wisdom from the Experts, by Gunther Verheyen Azure DevOps Services   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Richard is a Principal Program Manager on the .NET Core team at Microsoft. He's been with Microsoft for a total of 21 years, 18 of which have been with the .NET team (since 2003 when the codename was Whidbey!) Richard is truly a mover and shaker when it comes to pushing the .NET platform forward! Currently, he’s working on runtime features and performance, CLI experience, docker container experience, ARM32 and ARM64 support, IoT/GPIO/PWM support, blogging and customer engagement, and speaking at conferences. He's also part of the design team that defines new .NET runtime capabilities and features. And in his spare time, he enjoys British rock and Doctor Who!   A lot has changed since Richard was last on the show! In this episode, he is here to discuss all of the changes to the new .NET platform, how he’s continuing to push the .NET platform forward together with his team, the current state-of-the-art tools and techniques in the .NET IoT space and .NET applications, exciting developments with his current .NET blog series on DevBlogs.Microsoft.com, and much more!   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:23] About today’s episode with Richard Lander! [2:07] Jeffrey welcomes Richard Lander back to the podcast. [2:24] Richard shares what has changed on his team in the last two years and what they have been recently up to. [4:19] Richard shares about his role with the .NET team and what he mainly works on. [5:54] Richard’s vision and goals with the new .NET blog series. [7:56] About the various topics Richard has covered thus far with his blog series and a sneak preview of some upcoming blog topics he will be covering. [8:42] Richard shares what he and his team are doing on the front of platform OS enablement and Apple Silicon. [13:04] Jeffrey and Richard discuss Microsoft’s focus on backwards compatibility. [14:44] The current state-of-the-art in the .NET IoT space. [18:51] Have the .NET and IoT teams had conversations around Terminal.Gui? [19:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [21:00] What is the current method with IoT devices? Are there any built-in testing capabilities? [24:19] Richard shares what the current state-of-the-art is for those doing regular .NET applications. [29:22] If a developer just deploys to App Service, are they using Azure containers under the covers regardless? [30:50] Richard shares his predictions on what he sees as being the most general-purpose runtime (AKS, App Service, ACI, etc.) in Azure for regular Blazor applications that developers are starting to build. [34:40] Jeffrey and Richard reflect on why it is such an interesting and exciting time to be a developer. [35:45] Does .NET and C# have the fastest mainstream execution? [39:48] Jeffrey thanks Richard for joining the podcast.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Richard Lander’s LinkedIn Richard Lander .NET Blogs The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 50: “Richard Lander on .NET Core Runtime” InfoQ Apple Silicon Microsoft Ignite The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 146: “Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui” Terminal Gui source code MAUI Xamarin Blazor Kubernetes Azure ACI AKS App Service Microsoft Build   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week, Jeffrey is joined by a longtime friend of his, Laurent Bugnion. Laurent is a Senior Cloud Developer Advocate at Microsoft working with Azure in the Developer Relations team.   Prior to joining Microsoft, Laurent was a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional for Windows development from 2007 to 2017, a Microsoft Regional Director from 2013-2017, and a Xamarin Most Valuable Professional in 2015. He is one of the foremost experts for XAML and C# based development and codes in Windows, WPF, Xamarin (iOS and Android), Unity, ASP.NET. In his free time, he writes for technical publications such as MSDN Magazine and speaks at conferences such as Microsoft MIX, TechEd, VSLive, and more.   In their conversation, Laurent discusses Native client development in the Cloud and all of the interesting things he has been doing as a Cloud Advocate working with Azure.   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:25] About today’s episode with Laurent Bugnion! [2:05] Jeffrey welcomes Laurent Bugnion to the podcast. [2:22] Laurent introduces himself and gives a rundown of his career thus far. [8:42] Laurent shares how he thinks about client development and why it is so great. [15:51] As someone who is on one of the Azure-related teams on Microsoft, what’s Laurent’s vision for native client development in, for, or with the Cloud? [20:58] Discussing the issue of software authentication. [23:00] How client application development has become easier. [24:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [24:52] Strategies that are crucial to client development. [33:38] Discussing developer education, working remotely and inclusion. [36:30] MAUI vs. Blazor. How Laurent sees the current landscape and how he recommends making a decision between the current options available. [40:30] Jeffrey thanks Laurent for his insight and for joining the podcast.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Laurent’s Blog: GalaSoft Laurent’s Links MVVM Light Toolkit Blazor .NET MAUI   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Charlie Kindel! Charlie is an American tech executive doing consulting and advising. Formerly, he has held roles with Control4, Amazon, and Microsoft. Much of his career has been spent focused on smart home products. Additionally, he is also the maintainer of Terminal Gui, which is a .NET 5 UI framework for console applications.   In this conversation, Charlie discusses the Terminal Gui and highlights some of the cases where it shines. If you’re looking for a full user interface but you only want it to sip — rather than sap — system resources, the Terminal Gui may be the solution you’re looking for! It’s fun from a retro perspective as it allows people to go and explore the way UIs were back in the 80s and before.   Charlie shares how the Terminal Gui project got started, its current capabilities, the notable applications that use Terminal Gui, its constraints, dependencies, memory usage, potential future integration, and more! Don’t miss out on learning about this lightweight UI framework.   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:24] About today’s episode with Charlie Kindel [1:48] Jeffrey welcomes Charlie Kindel to the podcast! [2:04] Charlie shares some of his notable career highlights. [4:28] What Jeffrey finds fascinating about Terminal Gui with modern .NET 5.0 applications. [5:55] How the Terminal Gui project got started and its capabilities. [7:35] Jeffrey highlights how lightweight Terminal Gui is. [8:22] Are there any notable applications that use Terminal Gui right now? What is one of Charlie’s favorites? [10:09] What does the control model for Terminal Gui look like for those who want to create a composite control or a new type of control? [12:11] Are there any limitations besides the layout? What types of controls can be made with Terminal Gui? [13:46] What are the constraints with Terminal Gui? [15:46] Is it expected to use a form base model similar to WinForms or WPF? Or more like model-view-controller where you split up the behavior and the layout? What’s the intended approach? [16:56] If someone is going to adopt Terminal Gui and use it for a particular command line EXE, what is the testing story (so that they know if the user interface is behaving properly)? [17:50] If someone is going to be using Terminal Gui in their build, tests, and deployments, do they need to be aware of any dependencies (besides the library itself)? [18:27] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [18:58] What do the tests look like in Terminal Gui? What should developers be looking at if they want to write tests? [20:25] With Terminal Gui, would you deploy as a regular .NET 5.0 assembly? Would most of the time you roll up all the libraries and do a single executable deployment? [20:51] What are some of the future visions for Terminal Gui? [22:15] Why you would want to use Terminal Gui if you already use WPF, Xamarin, MAUI, etc. [23:19] Jeffrey shares one of his first experiences with using Terminal Gui and why he likes it. [24:09] Has Terminal Gui been tested with really old Windows or constrained hardware? [24:33] Are there any reports on the footprint of startup memory usage? [25:03] Jeffrey and Charlie discuss memory measurements. [26:51] Is tab ordering built into Terminal Gui? [28:08] Charlie discusses the potential of future integration with MAUI. [29:19] Charlie shouts out the other contributors on the Terminal Gui project. [30:24] Where and how to check out Terminal Gui. [30:50] How to start contributing to the project. [31:17] Jeffrey thanks Charlie Kindel for joining the podcast!   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Terminal Gui source code Microsoft PowerShell Graphical Tools Out-ConsoleGridView (OCG) Miguel de Icaza's 2019 blog post on Terminal Gui Presentation from .NET Conf 2018 Video recording of Terminal Gui Xamarin.Forms with console UI adapter Selenium Xamarin MAUI   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the show, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by two special guests, Arvind Shyamsundar and Drew Skwiers-Koballa!   Arvind Shyamsundar is a Principal Program Manager on the Azure SQL DB Product Management team at Microsoft. He works to enable customers, partners, and colleagues to excel at what they do best by harnessing the power of data, advanced analytics, and cloud services. Arvind has worked at Microsoft for the last 18 years and was previously a part of the AzureCAT/DataCAT/SQLCAT group within Azure, and prior to that, a Principal PPE with Microsoft Services.   Drew Skwiers-Koballa is a Senior Program Manager on the SQL Tools and Experience team at Microsoft. In his role, he is focused on database development experiences and tools for Azure SQL/SQL Server. Previously to working with Microsoft, Drew was the Director of Information Technology at Inside Edge Commercial Interior Services.   In this episode, Drew and Arvind discuss data DevOps and how to run your SQL server database. Every system always has a SQL server database and there has been a lot of conversations over the years around the proper way to deploy a database, modify a database schema, monitor a database, etc. Drew and Arvind break down the current state-of-the-art technology and methods for running and deploying a SQL server database, the current tooling available around migration, strategies for Azure Data Studio, monitoring and telemetry flavors, and what to be on the lookout for as a developer looking forward in this landscape.   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:26] About today’s episode with special guests, Arvind Shyamsundar and Drew Skwiers-Koballa. [1:45] Jeffrey welcomes Arvind and Drew to the podcast! [1:49] Arvind shares about the work that they do on the Azure SQL DB Product Management team and the previous roles he has held within Microsoft. [4:11] Drew shares about the SQL Tools and Experience team and how their focus is different from the Azure SQL DB Product Management team. [5:06] Arvind speaks about the current state-of-the-art technology and methods for running and deploying a SQL server database. [8:28] Drew shares his insights on the specifics around the tooling and the options that are available. [10:52] Beyond the DACPAC, is there another tool that is aligned with the migration approach? [11:59] From Microsoft’s tooling, what is the strategy? Is it to not provide a migrations-based approach or is there one in the works? From the highest strategy level, what conversations are happening within the SQL Tools and Experience team? [13:42] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [14:13] If someone uses DbUp, do they still use a Visual Studio database project? Or is that an ‘either or’ decision? [18:37] What the landscape looks like right now for tooling around managing your SQL server database. [21:21] What is the strategy around ‘Azure Data Studio?’ Is it geared towards every storage service in Azure?  [23:09] Monitoring and telemetry: the current flavors that developers should know about and how to decide how to run your SQL server database. [29:30] What is currently coming out from a tools perspective that developers should be on the lookout for. [30:35] Go-to resources that Arvind and Drew recommend listeners check out. [32:40] Jeffrey thanks Arvind and Drew for joining the podcast!   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Arvind Shyamsundar’s LinkedIn Drew Skwiers-Koballa’s LinkedIn DbUp Azure Data Studio Redgate SQL Source Control Redgate Database Migrations Azure SQL Database Hyperscale Cosmos DB Microsoft Learn Azure SQL Fundamentals | Docs.Microsoft.com   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

On today’s episode of the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by two special guests, Alex Blount and Sweekriti Satpathy.   Alex is a Principal Software Engineer Manager on the Customer Engagement Team for the Microsoft Developer Edition, and Sweekriti is a Senior Software Engineer on the same team.   In their conversation, Alex and Sweekriti discuss real-world DevOps on the MAUI team, how to get up and running with MAUI, a rundown of the products that the team uses (and how they’re configured), and much more.   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:26] About today’s episode. [1:46] Jeffrey welcomes Sweekriti Satpathy and Alex Blount to the podcast. [1:54] Alex shares about his career journey and current role with Microsoft. [3:48] Sweekriti shares about her career journey and current role within Microsoft. [5:16] About Sweekriti’s Learn TV show, Hello World. [5:42] Alex provides some backstory on what their team does. [9:22] Sweekriti shares her insights on migrating to .NET MAUI. [9:58] What do level three tests look like? Tests that have to take the user interface into account? What libraries and techniques are the teams using now to handle that? [13:23] Sweekriti’s insights around UI testing from a DevOps pipeline point of view. [18:14] Is this UI test library that Sweekiri spoke about a NuGet library? And what layer does it operate at? Is it on top of the emulator or does it not even need to spin up an emulator? [19:23] Alex highlights a common pitfall they often see customers fall into with regards to testing, and how to address it. [21:28] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [21:59] A lot of developers use the technique of taking a screenshot for every action in the user interface (in Azure Pipelines, testing in Selenium, etc.) Is this natively built into App Center? [23:44] For the release candidate of a MAUI app, what format does it take? And where’s the right place to archive those? [28:05] Sweekriti shares an important aspect of how these tasks work. [29:20] Are there any pipeline configurations that are in repositories that can be looked at today? Sweekriti offers some advice on how to get your environment up and running with MAUI. [32:05] Alex shares his insights on telemetry. [34:24] Sweekriti’s insights on telemetry. [35:00] As far as product strategy, is Microsoft aligning App Service for mobile telemetry and application insights to serverside telemetry? [26:45] Skeekriti shares her excitements around .NET MAUI and everything becoming more streamlined. [37:16] Is anyone writing an early release book on .NET MAUI development? [37:59] Where to find resources related to .NET MAUI. [40:22] Jeffrey thanks Sweekriti and Alex for joining the podcast and sharing their insights.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Alex Blount’s LinkedIn Microsoft Learn TV .NET MAUI Xamarin App Center Selenium Azure Artifacts MAUI Samples | GitHub Build and deploy Xamarin apps with a pipeline | Microsoft Docs .NET MAUI Check | GitHub Weather ‘21 | GitHub Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 142: “David Ortinau on Multi-Platform App Development Using .NET MAUI”   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Microsoft Build 2021 recently concluded (May 25th-27th), so in today’s episode, Jeffrey Palermo is recapping all of the new and exciting announcements that dropped during the virtual conference — and there is a lot!   As the largest annual developer conference, there were not only many incredible announcements but a ton of educational sessions and presentations by leaders in the industry such as Scott Guthrie, Scott Hunter, Jeffrey Fritz, and more.   In this episode, Jeffrey highlights the announcements that stood out to him, the key pieces of information you should pay attention to as a developer, and some of the sessions he recommends following up on from the conference.   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:28] About today’s episode. [3:23] About the new on-premises option for App Service, Functions, Logic Apps, API Mgmt, and Event Grid. [4:26] .NET 6 Preview 4 is now available! [5:08] About .NET MAUI. [5:53] Blazor hybrid apps were demoed. [6:17] ARM64 processor support for WinForm and WPF applications. [6:49] Announcements around the performance of .NET 5. [7:34] Visual Studio 2019 16.10 is now GA. [8:26] Be sure to check out Richard Lander’s write-up announcing .NET 6 Preview 4. [8:38] Announcements for Power Platform and why it is starting to get interesting for developers. [13:27] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [13:59] About Azure Bicep. [15:15] Speculation around future announcements from Windows. [15:50] An announcement about Microsoft Edge. [17:45] About the Microsoft store Snapdragon Dev Kit. [18:22] Windows Subsystem for Linux now supports GUI apps. [18:56] Windows Terminal 1.9 preview is out — and why you might want to use it. [19:14] Jeffrey highlights the sessions he thinks developers should prioritize checking out from the Microsoft Build 2021 catalog. [23:33] Where to check out all of the recapped sessions at Microsoft Build 2021.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Microsoft Build 2021 Azure Arc Kubernetes .NET 6 Preview 4 MAUI XamarinBlazor TortoiseSVN SourceTree  JetBrains ReSharper Power Platform Visual Studio Lightswitch Entity Framework SQL Server Azure Bicep Applications Insight Azure Monitor Microsoft releases Edge91 The Chromium Projects Microsoft store Snapdragon Dev Kit Windows Terminal 1.9 preview Microsoft Build 2021 Session: “Scott Guthrie ‘Unplugged’ — Home Edition” Microsoft Build 2021 Session: “Scott Guthrie ‘Unplugged’ — Home Edition (Extended)” Microsoft Build 2021 Session: “The future of modern application development with .NET (R1),” by Scott Hunter Microsoft Build 2021 Session: “The future of modern application development with .NET,” by Scott Hunter Microsoft Build 2021 Session: “Build your first web app with Blazor & Web Assembly,” by Jeffery Fritz   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In this episode, Jeffrey Palermo is speaking with David Ortinau. David is a Principal Program Manager for the .NET Client Apps team at Microsoft, whose team’s primary focus is on Xamarin forms and .NET MAUI.    David has been a .NET developer since 2002 and is versed in a range of programming languages. After several successes with tech startups and running his own software company, he joined Microsoft to follow his passion for crafting tools that help developers create better app experiences. When he’s not at a computer or with his family, he’s running trails through the woods.   David takes listeners through the ins and outs of multi-platform app development using .NET MAUI in today’s episode. He shares what developers can look forward to come the November release and provides a full rundown of what it looks like to use .NET MAUI from wrapping the local environment and building to testing to packaging and deploying. Don’t miss out on learning about what makes .NET MAUI a powerful tool you should be on the lookout for!   Topics of Discussion: [:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:26] About today’s episode with David Ortinau. [2:09] Jeffrey welcomes David to the podcast! [2:39] David shares his career journey as a developer, leading up to Microsoft. [14:34] David gives a rundown of what .NET MAUI is and what we can expect from this November release. [18:58] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:30] For those who haven’t done any Xamarin forms at all, is the message with .NET MAUI that your C# code goes to Android, IoS, Mac, etc? Or is it more nuanced than that? [21:10] If someone wanted to try out MAUI today, would David recommend that someone try out the preview today or wait for a future preview? [24:12] David gives a full rundown of what the process looks like to use .NET MAUI. (how to wrap the local environment, build, test, deploy, etc.), starting off with what developers need to have locally on their computers to get started. [30:00] David explains the full system testing story beyond unit testing and lower-level integration testing. [32:40] David speaks about the .NET MAUI chain for packaging and deploying to devices and keeping track of builds that may be deployed. [36:14] Jeffrey and David discuss telemetry and logging with .NET MAUI. [38:07] Jeffrey thanks David Ortinau for joining the podcast and David shares some additional go-to resources to check out after listening to the podcast!   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow David’s Email: David.Ortinau@mMicrosoft.com  GitHub.com/DavidOrtinau Twitter.com/DavidOrtinau Dev.to/DavidOrtinau GitHub.com/dotnet/MAUI Dev.Azure.com/Xamarin/public/_build/results?buildId=40287&view=… Dev.Azure.com/Xamarin/public/_packaging?_a=feed&feed=maui-nightly Xamarin App Center   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.