
Making Permaculture Stronger
re-sourcing permaculture design in life
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Mar 9, 2018 • 1h 6min
Robyn Francis on her Permaculture Journey (E09)
In this episode Dan from Making Permaculture Stronger enjoys a conversation with permaculture elder Robyn Francis from Djanbung Gardens.
Amongst other things Robyn shares on:
Her recent return to India (having in 1987 co-taught India's first permaculture design certificate or PDC course alongside Bill Mollison)
What she was up to before hearing about permaculture
When and how she got involved in permaculture
Her own impressions of Bill Mollison's character having worked alongside him
How she got started in permaculture design
Her approach to permaculture design process including the roles of
Visioning / strategic planning
Restraint overlays
Her work with communities including Jarlanbah Community
Her view on the state of the global permaculture movement
A taste of all the amazing projects she is currently involved in, locally, bio-regionally, and abroad (including PDCs in China)
A short video about IPC India 2017 featuring Robyn

Feb 23, 2018 • 1h 7min
A Second Dialogue with Dave Jacke (E08)
Dave during the chat with Dan
In this episode Dan Palmer from Making Permaculture Stronger enjoys another high-energy, cut to the chase dialogue with Dave Jacke from Edible Forest Gardens.
The first episode/instalment can be found here.
This second instalment of an energy-rich conversation that is far from done includes:
Dan sharing his recent feeling that in framing permaculture design processes using linear-sequence-implying flow charts a (kind of big) mistake is being made
Dave putting flow charts and other things in a successional (but non-linear!) framing where they have their role in the learning journey
Dave sharing his cutting edge, hot-off-the-press, so far unwritten about approach to framing design processes as ecosystems
The relation between what he calls the four ecosystem ps:
properties
principles
patterns
processes
Why Dave avoids using the name permaculture
Much, much else!
Dave Jacke’s work has been referenced many times in previous posts, and was the sole focus of this one and this one.
Oh yes, the Ludwig Wittgenstein quote Dan mentions was:
One thinks that one is tracing the outline of the thing's nature over and over again, and one is merely tracing around the frame through which we look at (Philosophical Investigations)
and the quote Dave shared was:
Ecological communities are not as tightly linked as organisms, but neither are they simply collections of individuals. Rather, the community is a unique form of biological system in which the individuality of the parts (i.e., species and individuals) acts paradoxically to bind the system together. —DAVID PERRY, Forest Ecosystems
Finally, you can organise yourself a copy of David Holmgren's amazing new book Retrosuburbia (which Dan quotes from at the start) right here.
We really hope you enjoy the episode, and please do leave a comment sharing any feedback or reflections below…
Dan during the chat with Dave

Feb 12, 2018 • 58min
Hannah Moloney on Permaculture Design, Business, and Life (E07)
In this episode Dan Palmer from Making Permaculture Stronger enjoys a rich conversation with his friend and permaculture colleague Hannah Moloney from Good Life Permaculture in Hobart. Hannah and Dan explore:
How Hannah got into all this
Hannah's journey working as a professional permaculture designer
The permaculture design process Hannah uses
The tension between providing a service people are willing to pay for and honouring sound process at the same time
Much more
Here are some of Hannah's design diagrams (more here):
Her and Anton and their daughter Frida's beeuitiful pink home on a hill (more here):
and Dan, Hannah, Anton (and young Frida) in 2015...
and 2016...

Nov 28, 2017 • 1h 5min
In Dialogue with Dave Jacke (E06)
In this episode Dan Palmer from Making Permaculture Stronger enjoys a high-energy, cut to the chase dialogue with Dave Jacke from Edible Forest Gardens. Dave and Dan explore:
Dave's 38+ year journey with design process and permaculture including:
his first design project at Simon's Rock College
his initial contact with permaculture and then Bill Mollison
his initial contact with the writings of Christopher Alexander (especially Alexander's 1964 book Notes on the Synthesis of Form)
his experience studying at the Conway School of Landscape Design
his relationship to permaculture
his ecological design process
Permaculture's design process enigma (has a lot to say about ecological design but not a lot to say about ecological design process)
The relation between the designer, the designing, and the designed
Problems with the expert/hero approach to design
The relation between rationality and feeling/emotion inside ecological design process
So much else...
Dave Jacke's work has been referenced many times in previous posts, and was the sole focus of this one.
We really hope you enjoy the episode, which is feeling like beginning of a longer conversation, and please do leave a comment sharing any feedback or reflections below…
Dave doing site analysis at Yandoit Farm, Victoria, Australia, 2016

Nov 10, 2017 • 1h 8min
Darren J. Doherty on Design Process, the Regrarians Approach, and Making Permaculture Stronger (E05)
In this episode Dan Palmer from Making Permaculture Stronger enjoys a wide-ranging conversation with Darren J. Doherty from Regrarians.org. Darren and Dan explore:
Darren's 25-year journey with design process including:
how he got started
key influences along the way
key realisations along the way
The Regrarians Works Pattern and the Regrarians Platform
The current state and trajectory of permaculture including why good people so often seem to leave
The relationship of Darren and the Regrarians approach to permaculture
much else, including the new 10 week REX® Online Farm Planning Program (that Dan is looking forward to participating in as a student)
We really hope you enjoy the episode, and please do leave a comment sharing any feedback or reflections below...
Dan and Darren recording this episode last week in Bendigo, Australia
Oh yes, one more thing - during the closing comments at the episode's end, Dan refers to this video clip:
https://vimeo.com/128967954

Oct 27, 2017 • 1h 15min
In Dialogue with Ben Falk (E04)
In this episode Dan Palmer from Making Permaculture Stronger enjoys a rich dialogue with Ben Falk from Whole Systems Design. Dan and Ben explore issues and themes around:
heathy living processes of design and creation
working with clients
the relation of necessity to beauty
part of what it might mean to enjoy an authentic, healthy, connected life.

Jul 27, 2017 • 0sec
Alex Bayley on Agile Permaculture (E03)
In this track Dan chats with Alex Bayley about the agile software development movement and permaculture design process. Alex has a blog series exploring these topics here.

Jul 12, 2017 • 0sec
Bridget O’Brien on Permaculture Design and Adapt – the Game (E02)
On June 22nd, 2017, Dan Palmer recorded this lovely chat with Bridget O'Brien about her work on permaculture design process as part of her permaculture board game she's called "Adapt" (check it out here).

Jun 19, 2017 • 0sec
Rosemary Morrow on Permaculture Design Process (E01)
In this podcast Dan Palmer from Making Permaculture Stronger chats with Rosemary Morrow about permaculture design process.