
The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
Latest episodes

Aug 27, 2021 • 1h 24min
TNP151 Oliver Choquette on the Intersection of Gender Diversity and Neurodivergence
My guest today is a trusted friend, Oliver Choquette. Oliver is currently a Psychology student at the University of Victoria. His training and expertise comes from various sources: college, university, and private classes. He has been working in clinics as a support person for over 10 years. He is a passionate reader and researcher of many topics: history, philosophy, political science, psychology, and sociology. And at the end of the day, I have trusted him with my child as a skilled helper providing emotional support for a number of years. As the parent of a 17 year old trans son with ADHD and autism diagnoses, who struggles with both anxiety and depression, I wanted to talk to Oliver about the intersection of gender diversity and neurodivergence. And because it’s not just my son – I literally don’t know an LGBTQIA+ youth who does not present with some form of neurodivergence or at the very least some diagnosable mood disorder such as anxiety or depression. I hope you enjoy this candid, non-expert, real conversation.
Accounts I follow on Instagram for psychoeducation:
@neurodivergent_lou
@sensoryhuman
@the.autisticats
@fidgets.and.fries
@pixiesbigwhy
@autism_sketches
@iampayingattention
@the_mini_adhd_coach
@lifeinautismworld
@adultingwithautism
@drdevonprice
@the_queer_counselor
@autism_unmasked
@busybeingdisabled
Oliver's Research Links
Carter, B. (2021). Impact of social inequalities and discrimination on vulnerability to crises.
Kia, H., Robinson, M., MacKay, J., & Ross, L. E. (2020). Poverty in lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and two-spirit (LGBTQ2S+) populations in Canada: an intersectional review of the literature. Journal of Poverty and Social Justice, 28(1), 21-5
Executive Skills Questionnaire- Peg Dawson & Richard Guare
Giovanardi, G., Vitelli, R., Maggiora Vergano, C., Fortunato, A., Chianura, L., Lingiardi, V., & Speranza, A. M. (2018). Attachment patterns and complex trauma in a sample of adults diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Frontiers in psychology, 9, 60.
Strauss, P., Cook, A., Watson, V., Winter, S., Whitehouse, A., Albrecht, N., ... & Lin, A. (2021). Mental health difficulties among trans and gender diverse young people with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD): Findings from Trans Pathways. Journal of Psychiatric Research, 137, 360-367.
Rommelse, N. N., Franke, B., Geurts, H. M., Hartman, C. A., & Buitelaar, J. K. (2010). Shared heritability of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder and autism spectrum disorder. European child & adolescent psychiatry, 19(3), 281-295.
Schnarrs, P. W., Stone, A. L., Salcido Jr, R., Baldwin, A., Georgiou, C., & Nemeroff, C. B. (2019). Differences in adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and quality of physical and mental health between transgender and cisgender sexual minorities. Journal of psychiatric research, 119, 1-6.
Craig, S. L., Austin, A., Levenson, J., Leung, V. W., Eaton, A. D., & D’Souza, S. A. (2020). Frequencies and patterns of adverse childhood events in LGBTQ+ youth. Child abuse & neglect, 107, 104623.
Cuevas, A. G., Ong, A. D., Carvalho, K., Ho, T., Chan, S. W. C., Allen, J., ... & Williams, D. R. (2020). Discrimination and systemic inflammation: A critical review and synthesis. Brain, behavior, and immunity.

Aug 25, 2021 • 46min
TNP150 Hekatean Witchcraft with Dr.Cyndi Brannen
Today’s fantastic guest is Dr.Cyndi Brannen, one of the world's preeminent scholars on Hekatean Witchcraft.
After a successful career in academia and healthcare, Dr.Brannen transitioned to focusing on reclaiming the sacred feminine after she became convinced that mainstream psychology was not sufficient to lead to personal wholeness. Her work focuses on personal healing through depth psychology, herbalism, rituals, meditations, and exploration of the deeper self. She founded The Covina Institute, a soul school dedicated to the pursuit of wholeness through structured programs of study and transcendent experiences. Dr.Brannen is the author of the bestselling books, Keeping Her Keys and Entering Hekate’s Garden.
Mentioned in this episode:
• Dr.Sarah Isles Johnstone's Hekate Soteira: A Study of Hekate's Roles in the Chaldean Oracles and Related Literature
• Thomas Moore
• James Hillman
• Erich Neumann
Check out Hide Tanning 101 with Fern + Roe!

Dec 13, 2020 • 56min
TNP149 Spiritual Hygiene for the Holidays with Carmen Spagnola
This special episode includes a 30 minute trancework exercise. I stack 4 different spiritual hygiene exercises, one after the other, to connect with earth, water, air and fire.
This episode is a complement to my Yuletide Stocking Stuffer program.
Inspiration for some of the techniques in this exercise come from:
• Diane Poole Heller (Competent Protector terminology and trauma-informed pedagogy)
• Philip Shepherd's Radical Wholeness work
• Laura Day, intuitive coach
• Dara Silverman and Amanda Ream, Somatics For White Racial Justice Organizers
• The Strozzi Institute
• generative somatics
And of course my nearly decade-long experience as a Clinical Hypnotherapist.
Hope you enjoy it and find something in there of use to you!

Oct 26, 2020 • 43min
TNP148 Seeing Yourself Through The Apocalypse With Lindsay Tunkl
Lindsay Tunkl is an artist and the author of "Origins & Endings: Seeing Yourself Through the Apocalypse". It's a divination deck and self-reflection inkblot kit that helps us grapple with the most pressing questions of our time. In this conversation, we explore the intersections of art, healing, therapy, intuition, fear, collectivism, divination, and living in choice during apocalypse times.
Find the Origins & Endings Divination Book and Card Deck here.
See some of Lindsay's artwork here including some of the PreApocalypse Counselling installation here.
Connect with Lindsay for coaching at intothedeepcoaching.com.
Follow Lindsay on Instagram to learn more about her magic and Tarot work, as well as her current adventures.

Sep 22, 2020 • 1h 8min
TNP147 Tom Hirons Tracks Collapse + Meaning Through Poetry
Sometimes A Wild God is a powerful poem written by storyteller, author, wilderness vigil guide, and poet, Tom Hirons. In this episode, I ask the poet the impolite question, "What is your poem about?"
It leads to a conversation about collapse, grief, wilderness vigil, the wyrd, the loneliness of modern masculinity, the lifetime work of wholeness, and the prospect of hope as a deity.
Find Tom's writing at tomhirons.com
Purchase stacks of his poetry and prose at Hedgespoken Press hedgespokenpress.com
Adorn your abode or altar with Rima's art by visiting her site: rimastaines.com
And learn more about their life in the off-grid storytelling theatre run from a 1966 Bedford RL lorry, converted to be a home and go-anywhere stage. (For real.): hedgespoken.org
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Dark Mountain Project
On Poetry, by Glyn Maxwell
In The Skin Of A Lion, by Michael Ondaatje
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Learn more about The Numinous Quest Online here.
Learn more about the Threshold community here.

Aug 31, 2020 • 1h 47min
TNP146 Carmen + Holly on Collapse Psychology and the Importance of Grief Ritual Accountability and Play
In Part 2 of my conversation with Holly, we explore collapse grief and death rituals in COVID times, and share fairly extensively about why Transformative Justice and community accountability is such an important aspect of collapse preparedness. We get into some detail about concerns we have over being two cis white women leading a diverse community, and, some ways we are hoping to mitigate that and reduce possible harm. We also share about the importance of play and creativity in collapse work.
In the first minutes of this episode, I make a reference to a Netflix action series that perhaps many will not have heard of: Altered Carbon. I super love the show, for so many reasons not the least of which is the incredible fight choreograhy that features incredible women of colour as lead characters – so badass!
I also reference Sarah Kerr at soul passages.ca as one of my teachers.
Find out more about the Threshold community here.
Register for my Numinous Quest Online here.

Aug 30, 2020 • 1h 31min
TNP145 Holly Truhlar on Tending the Threshold of Collapse
Holly is a psychotherapist and a lawyer, and what she calls a “collapsitarian” – she’s spent a long time tracking collapse from multiple perspectives and coalesced her observations into a framework she calls collapse psychology. You can get a sense of that framework by visiting collapse psychology.org
Holly approached me in early 2017 and our relationship since then has blossomed into friendship both online and in physical presence, we’ve witnessed each other in grief and pain, but also had a chance to stay up late drinking and laughing. And whether we’re crying or laughing, the topic always somehow comes around to the collapse of empire and large scale convergent emergencies.
Find out more about the Threshold community here.
Learn about The Numinous Quest Online here.

Aug 29, 2020 • 53min
TNP144 Mimi Young on Intuition + Pandemic Plant Medicine
I'm talking with Mimi Young about clairolfaction, wonderful plant allies for pandemic times, and how to work with tea in a magical – even ancestral – way.
Mimi is a shamanic intuitive and founder of Ceremonie (@shopceremonie), an esoteric brand focusing on in-person and online core shamanic and occult education, Remote Shamanic Readings, and plant potions for skin and aura. Mimi works with a blend of modalities including core shamanism, plant spirit healing, chao magick, and Chinese esoterics, with a focus on healing through shadows, dream work, divination, ancestral connection, and psychic development. She is also a neurofeedback practitioner (@openmindsperformance), where she supports others in accessing their peak via neurological resilience.
Check out all of Mimi's offerings here.
Follow her on Instagram: @shopceremonie
Find out about doing neurofeedback with Mimi here.
Learn about joining the online Mystery Mentorship Program here.
The book she referenced is For All The Tea In China, by Sarah Rose.
Follow me on Instagram @carmenspagnola
Check out my Intuitive Business (And Life) Planning Workshop

Aug 27, 2020 • 1h 27min
TNP143 Bear Hebert on Unlearning Oppression
Bear is a life coach, artist, and social justice educator who helps socially conscious humans align their actions with their values. In their coaching and teaching, they apply a feminist, anti-racist, anti-capitalist lens. In this episode, I ask them about their gender journey to using they/them pronouns, and we talk about interlocking systems of oppression, call out culture, and wanting healing for people who cause harm without necessarily wanting to be a part of that healing.
Content Warning: We do touch on sexual violence, capital punishment, and more, but we also take stretch breaks and pauses for breath as we do so. Remember to pause the recording if you feel yourself tensing up or becoming very activated.
Bearcoaches.com
Undoingpatriarchy.com
Caliban And The Witch by Silvia Federici
Combahee River Collective and How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor
Alternate ROOTS alternateroots.org
Info about the online version of ROOTS Week
Selected Poems of Nikki Giovanni
Killers Of The Dream by Lillian Smith
The Farm: Angola, USA
13th, Ava DuVernay
bell hooks on “white supremacist capitalist patriarchy”
Whiteness At Work, Desiree Adaway with Jessica Fish and Erika Hines
Beverly Daniel Tatum, author of Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together In The Cafeteria? on diversity as an aftereffect of a lifelong commitment to the self-named struggles of people of color
Philly Stands Up zine
Beyond Survival book
"The Opposite Of Rape Culture Is Nurturance Culture" and Turn This World Inside Out by Nora Samaran
“No one enters violence for the first time having committed it.” -Danielle Sered, quoted by Mariame Kabe

Aug 21, 2020 • 1h 16min
TNP142 Kosmic Tonic Astrology Forecast for 2020 and Beyond
Jasmine Richardson and Eliza Robertson are an astrology team who make their home online at KosmicTonic.com. Today we’re talking about what the astrology looked like leading up to 2020 that might have revealed something big like a global pandemic was coming, and looking ahead to the outlook for the rest of 2020 and beyond. How did we get here and where are we going?
We begin with a resource round up of highly recommended modern astrologers to follow and learn from:
ISAR
Kaitlin Coppock at Sphere and Sundry
Nina Gryphon
Demetra George
Chris Brennan - The Astrology Podcast
Gray Crawford
Barbara Hand Clow - Journeys Through Nine Dimensions
Fortune’s Wheelhouse Podcast
Wesly Feuquay - Psylogia
We also look at what stands out to be aware of for Fall/Winter of 2020/21. We look at Mars Retrograde (Sept 9 - Nov 13), possible advancements in science, America's progress on its' Pluto return, and eclipses at the end of 2020 (Nov 30 and Dec 14) which set the tone for 2021.
Book consultations with Jasmine and Eliza at kosmictonic.com and follow them on Instagram @kosmictonic and on Twitter @kosmic_tonic
Register now for my Intuitive Business (And Life) Planning Workshop on September 26, 2020.