
The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
Latest episodes

Sep 22, 2020 • 1h 8min
TNP147 Tom Hirons Tracks Collapse + Meaning Through Poetry
Sometimes A Wild God is a powerful poem written by storyteller, author, wilderness vigil guide, and poet, Tom Hirons. In this episode, I ask the poet the impolite question, "What is your poem about?"
It leads to a conversation about collapse, grief, wilderness vigil, the wyrd, the loneliness of modern masculinity, the lifetime work of wholeness, and the prospect of hope as a deity.
Find Tom's writing at tomhirons.com
Purchase stacks of his poetry and prose at Hedgespoken Press hedgespokenpress.com
Adorn your abode or altar with Rima's art by visiting her site: rimastaines.com
And learn more about their life in the off-grid storytelling theatre run from a 1966 Bedford RL lorry, converted to be a home and go-anywhere stage. (For real.): hedgespoken.org
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Dark Mountain Project
On Poetry, by Glyn Maxwell
In The Skin Of A Lion, by Michael Ondaatje
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Learn more about The Numinous Quest Online here.
Learn more about the Threshold community here.

Aug 31, 2020 • 1h 47min
TNP146 Carmen + Holly on Collapse Psychology and the Importance of Grief Ritual Accountability and Play
In Part 2 of my conversation with Holly, we explore collapse grief and death rituals in COVID times, and share fairly extensively about why Transformative Justice and community accountability is such an important aspect of collapse preparedness. We get into some detail about concerns we have over being two cis white women leading a diverse community, and, some ways we are hoping to mitigate that and reduce possible harm. We also share about the importance of play and creativity in collapse work.
In the first minutes of this episode, I make a reference to a Netflix action series that perhaps many will not have heard of: Altered Carbon. I super love the show, for so many reasons not the least of which is the incredible fight choreograhy that features incredible women of colour as lead characters – so badass!
I also reference Sarah Kerr at soul passages.ca as one of my teachers.
Find out more about the Threshold community here.
Register for my Numinous Quest Online here.

Aug 30, 2020 • 1h 31min
TNP145 Holly Truhlar on Tending the Threshold of Collapse
Holly is a psychotherapist and a lawyer, and what she calls a “collapsitarian” – she’s spent a long time tracking collapse from multiple perspectives and coalesced her observations into a framework she calls collapse psychology. You can get a sense of that framework by visiting collapse psychology.org
Holly approached me in early 2017 and our relationship since then has blossomed into friendship both online and in physical presence, we’ve witnessed each other in grief and pain, but also had a chance to stay up late drinking and laughing. And whether we’re crying or laughing, the topic always somehow comes around to the collapse of empire and large scale convergent emergencies.
Find out more about the Threshold community here.
Learn about The Numinous Quest Online here.

Aug 29, 2020 • 53min
TNP144 Mimi Young on Intuition + Pandemic Plant Medicine
I'm talking with Mimi Young about clairolfaction, wonderful plant allies for pandemic times, and how to work with tea in a magical – even ancestral – way.
Mimi is a shamanic intuitive and founder of Ceremonie (@shopceremonie), an esoteric brand focusing on in-person and online core shamanic and occult education, Remote Shamanic Readings, and plant potions for skin and aura. Mimi works with a blend of modalities including core shamanism, plant spirit healing, chao magick, and Chinese esoterics, with a focus on healing through shadows, dream work, divination, ancestral connection, and psychic development. She is also a neurofeedback practitioner (@openmindsperformance), where she supports others in accessing their peak via neurological resilience.
Check out all of Mimi's offerings here.
Follow her on Instagram: @shopceremonie
Find out about doing neurofeedback with Mimi here.
Learn about joining the online Mystery Mentorship Program here.
The book she referenced is For All The Tea In China, by Sarah Rose.
Follow me on Instagram @carmenspagnola
Check out my Intuitive Business (And Life) Planning Workshop

Aug 27, 2020 • 1h 27min
TNP143 Bear Hebert on Unlearning Oppression
Bear is a life coach, artist, and social justice educator who helps socially conscious humans align their actions with their values. In their coaching and teaching, they apply a feminist, anti-racist, anti-capitalist lens. In this episode, I ask them about their gender journey to using they/them pronouns, and we talk about interlocking systems of oppression, call out culture, and wanting healing for people who cause harm without necessarily wanting to be a part of that healing.
Content Warning: We do touch on sexual violence, capital punishment, and more, but we also take stretch breaks and pauses for breath as we do so. Remember to pause the recording if you feel yourself tensing up or becoming very activated.
Bearcoaches.com
Undoingpatriarchy.com
Caliban And The Witch by Silvia Federici
Combahee River Collective and How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor
Alternate ROOTS alternateroots.org
Info about the online version of ROOTS Week
Selected Poems of Nikki Giovanni
Killers Of The Dream by Lillian Smith
The Farm: Angola, USA
13th, Ava DuVernay
bell hooks on “white supremacist capitalist patriarchy”
Whiteness At Work, Desiree Adaway with Jessica Fish and Erika Hines
Beverly Daniel Tatum, author of Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together In The Cafeteria? on diversity as an aftereffect of a lifelong commitment to the self-named struggles of people of color
Philly Stands Up zine
Beyond Survival book
"The Opposite Of Rape Culture Is Nurturance Culture" and Turn This World Inside Out by Nora Samaran
“No one enters violence for the first time having committed it.” -Danielle Sered, quoted by Mariame Kabe

Aug 21, 2020 • 1h 16min
TNP142 Kosmic Tonic Astrology Forecast for 2020 and Beyond
Jasmine Richardson and Eliza Robertson are an astrology team who make their home online at KosmicTonic.com. Today we’re talking about what the astrology looked like leading up to 2020 that might have revealed something big like a global pandemic was coming, and looking ahead to the outlook for the rest of 2020 and beyond. How did we get here and where are we going?
We begin with a resource round up of highly recommended modern astrologers to follow and learn from:
ISAR
Kaitlin Coppock at Sphere and Sundry
Nina Gryphon
Demetra George
Chris Brennan - The Astrology Podcast
Gray Crawford
Barbara Hand Clow - Journeys Through Nine Dimensions
Fortune’s Wheelhouse Podcast
Wesly Feuquay - Psylogia
We also look at what stands out to be aware of for Fall/Winter of 2020/21. We look at Mars Retrograde (Sept 9 - Nov 13), possible advancements in science, America's progress on its' Pluto return, and eclipses at the end of 2020 (Nov 30 and Dec 14) which set the tone for 2021.
Book consultations with Jasmine and Eliza at kosmictonic.com and follow them on Instagram @kosmictonic and on Twitter @kosmic_tonic
Register now for my Intuitive Business (And Life) Planning Workshop on September 26, 2020.

Aug 10, 2020 • 1h 2min
TNP141 Eric Tyrone - Get Woke In Your Dream-Time
Eric Tyrone is the founder of Soul Dreamers and the creator of the "Get Woke In Your Dream-Time" Masterclass. In the past, Eric ran a non-profit called "Awakening Through Art", founded a mindfulness App, and was a co-facilitator of a nationwide meetup called EcoTuesday. In this episode we talk about the purpose of dreaming, how to interpret your dreams and heal through dreamwork, and we even do a little on the spot interpretation of a slightly anxious dream I had about a tarantula and my son.
Listeners can save $100 off his 4-Week “Get Woke In Your Dream-Time” Live Group Masterclass by using the coupon code: DREAMS333
Find the next start date at www.soul-dreamers.com
Follow Eric on Instagram @_Soul_Dreamers
Find out more about the Threshold community here.

Aug 9, 2020 • 52min
TNP140 Darius Mills on Conjure Oils Hoodoo Manifestation Magic
Darius Mills is a Conjure Oils expert and to be honest, probably the one of the most charming guests I’ve ever had. In this interview, Darius shares how he used hoodoo conjure magic to manifest a fully paid international move. We touch on Jesus, quantum physics, intergalactic beings, ancestors, and how to make a honey jar.
Follow Darius on Instagram @dariusmills91 to find out when his next Conjure & Create program begins (at time of posting, Sept 2020).

Aug 4, 2020 • 30min
TNP139 Colonial Influence on Hide Tanning Past and Present with Mara Cur
This is the continuation of my conversation with Mara Cur , a hide tanner, hunter, wildcrafter, herbalist and wilder punk extraordinaire. In this episode Mara talks about the history of hide tanning and the important role that women and femmes played in this vocation. We also circle back to the question I posed in the last episode about how she approaches redress with Indigenous communities as she returns the teachings of hide tanning that were eradicated by colonialism.
The resource that Mara recommends to learn about White Saviorism is NoWhiteSaviors.org.
Mara credits visionary Cree artist, Kent Monkman, for his teachings on the early history of the fur trade.
I’d like to lift up Bruce Alexander’s essay, The Roots of Addiction in Free Market Society, as a formative document in my collapse awareness that relates quite directly to what Mara was saying about the first 250 years fo the fur trade. It uses the experience of the Orcadians – that’s Scottish folks from the Orkey Islands, previously renown for their sobriety – employed by in the later days of the fur trade by the Hudson’t Bay company, as a study in how cultural dislocation and attachment rupture were direct causes of alcoholism.
If you really want to geek out on that particular historical niche, you can read my other teacher, Michael Newton’s book, We’re Indians Sure Enough: The Legacy of Scottish Highlanders in the United States.
Check out Mara’s online offerings at liminagathering.com and her own website Crowsnest wildcraft.com
This season of the podcast is brought to you by the Threshold community. If the topics engaged in this episode appeal to you, check out our programming at www.thethresholdcommunity.com

Aug 4, 2020 • 42min
TNP138 Mara Cur on Hide Tanning and the Orphans Journey
Mara Cur is a hide tanner, hunter, wildcrafter, and herbalist. She is a teacher of mine that I’m excited to share with you because I love her thinking and articulation on so many topics like settler colonialism, attachment, trauma and radical politics. In this episode Mara shares about growing up an orphan in a high demand community (cultic religion).
Check out Mara’s offerings on her site, Crowsnest Wildcraft, and follow her on Instagram @woodland.cur
Continue the conversation in Part 2 here.
This season of the podcast is brought to you by the Threshold community. If the topics engaged in this episode appeal to you, check out our programming at www.thethresholdcommunity.com
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