

The Numinous Podcast
Carmen Spagnola
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
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Aug 8, 2022 • 51min
TNP170 Flower Essences from the Witch’s Garden with Nicholas Pearson
I’m thrilled to welcome back to the podcast, Nicholas Pearson - longtime listeners will remember him from episode 158 (Beyond Crystals Basics). Nicholas is an author, healer and teacher and today we’re talking about Flower Essences and how they can be so safe yet still effective, and how to work with them if you’re new to this as a healing modality or ritual tool, including some really unique methods I haven't seen anywhere else.
Check out Flower Essences from the Witch's Garden: Plant Spirits in Magical Herbalism
Nicholas has recently announced some very exciting new offerings including an expanded pocket version of Crystal Basics with over 450 gemstone listings – follow Nicholas on Instagram @theluminouspearl to hear when pre-orders are available.
Plus he’s co-leading a pilgrimage to Glastonbury in spring of 2023 to visit sacred wells, stone circles, and ruins, and to meet the crystal and gemstone guardians of the landscape. Amazing! Find out more here.
To join my 7-week psychoeducation course, Contact Nutrition 101, simply sign up for The Numinous Network.
Here's a transcript of this interview.

Jun 28, 2022 • 59min
TNP169 Sophie Macklin on Antifascist Folklore and Ungovernable Bodies
Sophie Macklin is an anarchist mystic living on Tongva land, near the Los Angeles river. She’s lived in California for fifteen years but comes from Canterbury, England.
She practises brythonic polytheism, antifascism, devotion to an animate world, and anarchist living. She specializes in topics related to anarchism, mysticism, radical history, communication with the human and more than human world, anti-capitalism, antifascism, reclaiming the commons, anti-ableism, and exploring different ways of knowing.
Sophie is the person I chose to be the first reader of the manuscript for my book, The Spirited Kitchen. From the very earliest kernel of thought I had about potentially writing a book, she came to mind as the person I wanted to give me the first pass of honest feedback. Why? Because I think she might be the smartest person I know. Her cultural analysis is tops and I have learned so, so, so much from her way of teaching and of being in business.
And at the time, I still had some things to unpack in my own mind about what to valorize and what not to valorize in a book about ancestral veneration, as a white settler under capitalism, in a time of increasing fascism. I knew there was nuance needed and also some firmness and boundaries so that my work couldn't be pressed into the service of white supremacy. I’m so grateful for Sophie for helping me see how I could improve my manuscript.
Here we are jamming on anarchy, antifascism, ableism, and ungovernable bodies.
Check out Sophie's work here:
Beyond the Blood
Ungovernable Bodies
Radical Well Tending: Living Folkways of Care with Sophie & Becka
I also mentioned RCCX Theory. This is a model we often use when we discuss sickness in The Numinous Network, particularly within the Sensitive Nervous Systems + Long Covid Connection group.
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Jun 21, 2022 • 1h 4min
TNP168 Somatics for White-Bodied Folks Recovering Ancestral Wisdom with Marika Heinrichs
Marika Heinrichs is the granddaughter of German Mennonite, British, and Irish settlers to the part of Turtle Island colonially known as Canada. She is a queer, femme, somatics practitioner and facilitator whose work focuses on the recovery of ancestral wisdom through body-based ways of knowing, and challenging the appropriation and erasure of Indigenous knowledge in the field of somatics. Marika resides on Attawandaron, Haudenosaunee and Anishinabe territory (a.k.a. Guelph, Ontario).
Kai Cheng Thom
Susan Raffo's Piece on the origins of craniosacral therapy
Susan Raffo's piece on acknowledging the lineages of healing practices
Bear Hebert on quitting yoga
Michael J. Morris
Prentis Hemphill
Don Hanlon Jonhson
Camille Barton
Robin Wall Kimmerer
Resmaa Menakem
generative somatics
NeuroAffective Touch
Focusing
Marika's blog post on Bealtaine
Marika's course for practitioners
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Jun 19, 2022 • 54min
TNP167 Lessons Learned from Ira Glass, Roxane Gay and the Making of The Spirited Kitchen
The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes and Rituals of the Wheel of the Year is now available for pre-order! (Check it out here.) In this episode, I'm sharing how and why I wrote this cookbook – the stories, friends, mentors, and supports that helped me navigate the fear, creative blocks, and emotional paralysis that came up in the process.
Resources In This Episode
Sarah Selecky
Nerys Patterson's Cattle Lords and Clansmen
Michael Newton, HiddenGlen.org
F.Marian McNeill, The Silver Bough and The Scots Kitchen
Silvia Federici, Caliban and the Witch
Quaker Committee of Care
Sophie Macklin's courses: Ungovernable Bodies and Beyond the Blood
Lauren Bacon: Curious For A Living
Cyndi Brannen, PhD.
Ira Glass quote about having killer taste that exceeds your skill level
Roxane Gay's writing Masterclass
Check out the pre-order bonuses! If you place a bulk order, or have a group of Spirited Kitchen fans who'd like me to visit your bookclub, please reach out to: admin@carmenspagnola.com
Come hang out with us in The Numinous Network where I'll be doing cooking demos in Carmen's Cookbook Club and holding online Wheel of the Year rituals for each solstice, equinox and halfway point in between.
The book hits stores on October 18, 2022. Pre-order today and save $10 per copy!

Jun 18, 2022 • 1h 13min
TNP166 Cultivating Sisterhood at (Trans) Midlife with Aurelie Richards
Aurelie Richards is a writer, educator, beekeeper, witch, performer, community builder, gardener, wounded healer. She's a Jewish woman with trans experience, living in Germany. She's long been an advocate for queer rights, trans community building, and domestic violence prevention, especially in rural and small-town contexts. And she's the manager of The Numinous Network and very dear to me.
Aurelie had feedback for me about something I said in my last episode with Nikiah Seeds, so we've continued the conversation here. Listen in as we work through differences and bring in more context and practice repair skills like the soft start up, balancing power, and dropping in to deep listening.
Check out her work at AurelieRichards.com
Hang out with us in The Numinous Network

Jun 11, 2022 • 1h 4min
TNP165 Embracing Sovereignty at Midlife with Nikiah Seeds
Welcome back to the podcast, Nikiah Seeds! Nikiah has been a ceremonialist and teacher of ritual, myth, and ancestral veneration for a couple decades now since her early years as a doula. She’s founder of the Red Moon Mystery School and co-author of the book Moon Mysteries about connecting with your menstrual cycle, and she’s been leading sacred drum-making retreats for years and years.
Nikiah was last here in 2017 when we talked about sacred beekeeping. But we’ve actually known each other since about 2007. We've witnessed each other grow and our careers evolve over the years so it’s fun to be able to have a visit and talk about the thresholds we stand upon now as women at midlife. Originally we were going to talk about ageing and elderhood and Embracing the Crone and how that archetype speaks to us, but actually…it turns out there’s still a lot to figure out about this in-between phase of becoming the cunning woman who stands between maidenhood and cronehood.

Jun 3, 2022 • 1h 14min
TNP164 The Astrology of Midlife with Danielle Blackwood
Danielle Blackwood last appeared on the podcast in 2019 when we talked about her previous book, The Twelve Faces of the Goddess. Now she’s back with a fabulous book that I highly recommend to people aged 25 to 55 especially - it’s called A Lantern In The Dark: Navigate Life's Crossroads with Story, Ritual & Sacred Astrology.
We're talking not only about the famous (infamous?) Saturn Return (age 28-30), but also about the lesser known major Midlife Transits:
• the Pluto Square (age 36 to 48)
• the Neptune Square (age 39-43)
• the Uranus Opposition (age 41 - 45)
• the Saturn Opposition (age 44 -45)
• the Second Saturn Return (age 58 - 60)
Learn more about Danielle's work here.
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Jun 2, 2022 • 23min
TNP163 Halfway Through 2022
A preparatory episode as we approach the midsummer solstice. Let's check-in with ourselves and our goals, self-regulate, and recalibrate, so we can hit our stride mid-June. I offer a brief and simple somatic practice, plus a really cool (time-sensitive) announcement!

Apr 28, 2022 • 1h 27min
TNP162 Entering Hekate’s Garden with Cyndi Brannen, PhD
Cyndi's Brannen's most recent book, Entering Hekate's Garden: The Magic, Medicine & Mystery of Plant Spirit Witchcraft, is a rich and enchanting journey with 39 plants, along with 39 ways to work with botanicals in your daily life and deeper rituals.
Learn more about Cyndi's online programs at KeepingHerKeys.com
Listen to her podcast, More Than This: At the Crossroads of Modern Life and the Deeper World

Mar 23, 2022 • 1h
TNP161: Collapse in a Nutshell with Carmen Spagnola
What is "collapse awareness"? How do we navigate collapse without losing our joy? What skills are needed in times of prolonged periods of overwhelming stress? This episode is an overview and recap of a topic I've talked about every year (multiple times) since the start of this show in 2014. Here, once again, is my annual report on the state of collapse.
Find a round-up of past collapse episodes here.
Preparing For A Beautiful End, Geez Magazine (Winter 2014), Utne Reader (Summer 2015)
Join us in my course, Collapse 101, in The Numinous Network
The Spirited Kitchen
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