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Dec 5, 2024 âą 1h 4min
Nick White and Jon Charbonneau on The Rise of Celestia's Native Ecosystem
Nick White, a key player in Celestia's blockchain design, and Jon Charbonneau, who offers expert insights into Celestia's ecosystem, dive deep into the evolving modular blockchain landscape. They discuss the impressive scalability of Celestiaâs base layer and celebrate its support for 21 chains. The conversation highlights innovative features like sovereign rollups, lazybridging, and ZK accounts. Additionally, they touch on the TIA tokenâs potential in decentralized frameworks, shaping the future of blockchain ecosystems.

Dec 3, 2024 âą 42min
Can Elastic Chain Solve Crypto's Biggest Problem? With Alex Gluchowski
In this discussion, Alex Gluchowski, a leading expert in blockchain interoperability, unpacks the groundbreaking potential of Elastic Chain and zero-knowledge technology. He envisions a future where interacting with various blockchains is as seamless as sending an email. The conversation includes the importance of customization for builders, the competitive landscape with existing models, and the significant role of trust evolution through decentralized systems. Key questions about Elastic Chain's launch timeline are also explored, highlighting its promise for the crypto community.

Dec 2, 2024 âą 28min
Ed Felten on Arbitrum DAO, Timeboost, and His Newest Research
Ed Felten, a key figure in the blockchain community and co-founder of Offchain Labs, dives deep into the innovative projects stemming from Arbitrum DAO. He discusses revolutionary solutions like the BOLD proving protocol and Timeboost for transaction sequencing, which are addressing critical issues of decentralization and user experience. The conversation also highlights significant advancements, such as reducing withdrawal times to 15 minutes and the potential of Layer 3 chains in the evolving cryptocurrency landscape.

Nov 30, 2024 âą 56min
Max Resnick on Ethereum's Roadmap, Economics, and Alignment Taxes
Max Resnick, an Ethereum researcher at ConsenSys, dives into the future of Ethereum's scalability and economics. He discusses the role of rollups and appchains, debating whether they hinder or help the ecosystem. A standout topic is 'alignment taxes,' a proposal aiming to equitably distribute security costs among apps based on their value extraction. Resnick also tackles the tension between composability and scalability, weighing the benefits of rollups against the potential fragmentation of Ethereumâs user experience.

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Nov 28, 2024 âą 55min
The Biggest Shift In Crypto Investing Since ICOs with Anil Lulla & Fabrizio Giabardo
In a thought-provoking discussion, Anil Lula, CEO of Delphi Digital, and Fabrizio Giobardo, co-founder of Legion, dive into the transformative nature of crypto token launches. They highlight how Legion aims to revolutionize fair distribution, moving away from traditional VC funding. The duo critiques outdated ICO models that leave retail investors sidelined. By creating a platform that values community engagement and diverse contributions, they envision a new era of robust, sustainable ecosystems in crypto investing.

Nov 27, 2024 âą 35min
Tarun Chitra and Jon Charbonneau on Solana vs. Ethereum Valuation Outlook
For today's episode, we were joined by Tarun & Jon to take a closer look at one of the most compelling debates in crypto: The valuation, 'moneyness', collateral asset viability, and onchain usage of ETH vs. SOL.
Is there a real chance that Solana could flip Ethereum in the next several years?
Ethereum, with its ETF advantage and rollup-centric focus, is standing strong but may face hurdles in maintaining its lead. Solana, on the other hand, is rapidly onboarding builders and capturing liquidity, though challenges like token inflation and VC token distribution are posing strong headwinds.
Weâll also touch on the bigger picture: how collateral utility, tokenomics, and market behavior influence the monetary premium of these assets.
This episode was particularly interesting because of the dynamic of Tarun from his math background and Jon with his research and venture background.
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đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.

Nov 26, 2024 âą 1h 5min
Infinex's Vampire Attack on CEXs with Kain Warwick and Jed Watson
Today, we're exploring a project that has its sights set on making onchain DeFi just as approachable as traditional exchanges and brokerages.
Infinex, led by Kain and Jed, brings a fresh take to the DeFi landscape by prioritizing user experience and easing the transition for those who are familiar with centralized platforms like Binance but hesitant to fully dive into DeFi due to the UX complexities.
For context, Kain Warwick is an early DeFi adopter from his time with Synthetix, and Jed brings a deep technical background to Infinex as CTO. Together, theyâre focused on simplifying the complexities of onchain interactionsâthings like bridging, multi-chain transactions, and wallet compatibilityâby wrapping these in an easy to use website.
What's interesting here, is we believe Infinex is a really clear app idea which can illustrate the true power of chain abstracted onboarding and onchain experiences. Infinexâs unique signup process, using face ID and passkeys is vital to the success of the app by non-onchain natives.
With $65 million raised and a growing base of 40,000 patrons, Infinex is trying to pioneer an era of great onchain UX.
Enjoy today's talk.
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đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.

Nov 22, 2024 âą 58min
Anthony Sassano on The Past, Present, And Future of Ethereum
Today, weâre diving into the story of Ethereumâits past, its present, and its ambitious path forward with a core leader of the community, and founder of The Daily Gwei, Anthony Sassano.
Ethereumâs evolution is a tale of resilience and innovation. From surviving brutal bear markets to leading the charge with decentralized applications and L2 solutions, this ecosystem has seen it all. During the relatively quiet 'onchain' years of 2018-2019, a core group of believers kept the flame alive, laying the foundation for the explosive growth that followed. DeFi summer in 2020 validated Ethereumâs use cases and silenced doubters, showcasing the power of DeFi and onchain speculation.
Now, Ethereum is in a peculiar spot. Different takes are flying around about the long-term future of Ethereum's roadmap left and right.
Where do we go from here?
Ethereumâs narrative is more than market cyclesâitâs about scalability, usability, and vision. The rollup-centric roadmap has become the centerpiece of its scaling strategy, enabling L2s to contribute back to the ecosystem while extending Ethereumâs reach. At the same time, the importance of improving the L1, scaling danksharding and fixing interoperability has sparked deeper conversations around aligning incentives and building standards that will sustain long-term growth.
During the pod, we also discuss the next frontier: AI agents. These are poised to dominate onchain activity, demanding exponential blockspace scaling and driving Ethereumâs evolution into a global value layer.
In todayâs piece, weâll explore what it takes to onboard the next billion users, how Ethereum aligns the efforts of its community and L2s, and what the rise of AI means for the future of blockchains. Along the way, weâll reflect on how Ethereum has managed to balance technical innovation with cultural staying power.
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đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.

Nov 20, 2024 âą 1h 54min
Andre Cronje on DeFi, Sonic Network, and His New Apps
Welcome to a blast from the past.
Imagine this:
You're on your laptop in summer 2020, when you see a message from a friend "new yield farm just opened called Yearn, you can only farm it for one week with DAI."
You ape in. The rest is history, and DeFi was (more or less) born.
That was the early stages of Andre's journey into DeFi. For his latest reappearance, we will take you on a deep dive into his journey, what he feels about DeFi today, the new apps, and of course Sonic - a revamped approach to Fantom that brings high throughput, developer-first incentives, and a unique fee redistribution model to the DeFi space.
At the core of Sonicâs approach is a shift in value distribution. Rather than centralizing fees with validators or sequencers, Sonic redirects 90% of fees back to the DApps that generate them. This means developers can capture more value, and users benefit from a faster, lower-cost environment.
We argued whether or not this was bullish for appchains or not, following his written piece "to appchain or not".
Moreover, Andre introduced Carmen, an EVM-compatible database built to optimize performance across L1 and L2 ecosystems. We also talked about some of his new app ideas, such asWitnessNet, a ZK-powered Oracle network that aims to bring data verification to new levels by authenticating HTTPS data origins onchain, undercollateralized lending, onchain credit, and a new gamified DeFi protocol.
Today's pod was one for the books. Enjoy.
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đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.

Nov 19, 2024 âą 1h 1min
Is Beam Chain Good For Ethereum? With Justin Drake
Today, weâre unpacking Beam Chain, a proposal by Justin Drake thatâs sparked wide-ranging discussions in the Ethereum community.
Andy and Robbie sat down with Justin in Bangkok to discuss this in person, just one day after his presentation.
Beam chain aims to accelerate Ethereumâs roadmap by introducing a massive hard fork specifically aimed at the consensus layer. Whether youâve heard about the buzz surrounding single-slot finality, programmable execution sharding, or the ambitious plans for full snarkification, this explainer is for you.
(Especially if you have questions about the length of time this may take, as many of you were wondering why it would take 4+ years).
At its core, Beam Chain is a proposal to improve the consensus layer of the L1 with snarkification, lower slot times, more usage of ZK VMs, higher gas limits and more.
Of course, every ambitious proposal brings challenges. Some in the community see Beam Chain as a bold leap forward, while others question whether itâs ambitious enough in the timeframe presented. Feedback has ranged from requests for faster timelines to discussions about the balance between ossificationâEthereum entering a âmaintenance modeââand the need for continued innovation to compete with other L1s.
By the end of this pod, youâll have a deeper understanding of how Beam Chain fits into Ethereumâs long-term plans, its implications for L1 and rollup-centric development, and why Justin Drake sees this as a pivotal step toward completing Ethereumâs roadmap by the end of the decade.
Whether youâre here to evaluate its technical merits or simply to see what the future of Ethereum might hold, this a pod you won't want to miss.
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đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.