
The Will Spencer Podcast
The Will Spencer Podcast is a weekly interview show featuring extended discussions with authors, leaders, and influencers who can help us make sense of our changing world today. I release new episodes every week on Friday.
Latest episodes

Jul 21, 2022 • 2h 18min
JON DU TOIT | Exiting Babylon
Jon Du Toit is a husband, father, and musician in the new band Electrum Fire.
WATCH THE VIDEO FOR "EXIT BABYLON" HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aYGUxMQX0U
But you may know Jon better from his work as a filmmaker.
He was the co-director of the Mike Cernovich documentary "Hoaxed" and has worked on projects with Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, and InfoWars.
Jon is also Canadian. He saw dark clouds gathering for his country in 2020 and had to flee with his wife, children, and parents to Mexico, on the Yucatan peninsula.
Imagine what that might do to you as a man, having to leave your home country and almost everything you knew and loved.
Would you be able to adapt? Could you even make something beautiful out of it?
Jon had to answer these questions for himself. May we all learn something from his example.
In our conversation we discussed:
His history as a filmmaker
Networking and professionalism at the highest levels of world achievement, including with Jordan Peterson and more
Firearms idolatry, or how some men make their guns into gods
The limited usefulness of the Manosphere, and what might be coming next
His new musical project Electrum Fire
His experience moving to Mexico with his family, and his journey as a husband, father, and artist to rebuild.
I hope you'll join me in honoring Jon for his bravery and decisiveness in this conflict, and his courage to transform it into art
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https://www.instagram.com/jon.dutoit/
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Jul 14, 2022 • 1h 28min
PASTOR TOBY SUMPTER | The Glory of Men
Toby Sumpter is a pastor, author, blogger, YouTube star, husband and father, and he articulates the why of beauty, strength, marriage and children, better than anyone I've heard.
Because what are beauty, strength, marriage, and children for? Have you ever thought about it?
I'd understand if not. We often have a sense that these things are intrinsically valuable, in themselves and for the purposes they serve.
But what is that purpose?
When I first encountered this question, the answer felt just out of reach. Then when I got it everything made sense, and I felt I could plant my feet in the blessing of Toby's answer.
In our conversation we discussed:
His history and background
The origin of the term “nuclear family"
The most valuable thing in the cosmos
The miraculous formula for joy
Real manliness in the home
What it means to choose the right sacrifice.
Pastor Toby has a knack of cutting to the heart of the matter about Christianity and culture, in a direct and inspiring way.
And in this episode, the last 30 minutes of this interview might be the most important 30 minutes of my podcast so far.
WATCH ON YOUTUBE
https://youtu.be/J3F7Ftj5MMM
CONNECT WITH PASTOR TOBY
https://www.tobyjsumpter.com/
https://crosspolitic.com/
https://canonpress.com/
https://www.christkirk.com/sermons/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3r8vfqm1uHBb9CRREXWpyg
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If you feel a call unheeded in your life, I understand. I was once the same. I would have waited forever for life to come to me, but instead I made the choice to live.
I made that choice in the company of men.
I'm starting a new online men's group, "The Forum." And I have spaces opening in my Men's Renaissance coaching program.
THERE IS MORE IN YOU.
Email info@renofmen.com to find out what
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Jun 3, 2022 • 2h 30min
ERIC CARROLL | The Disaster of Family Court
Eric Carroll is a husband, father, and host of the Dad Talk Today podcast.
He’s also a leading national advocate to end dad deprivation and parental alienation, a consequence of the national divorce industry which is worth tens of billions of dollars annually.
This massive field is incentivized to wreck the American family through the American father.
And Eric’s outspoken approach, Southern drawl, and down-home attitude has helped become a well-recognized personality and advocate for fathers within national political circles in just three years, with hundreds of thousands of followers on Facebook and beyond.
In our conversation we discussed:
The political response (or non-response) to parental alienation of dads
The double standard of men's and women's emotions
Men's need for self-care, and what that looks like
The external and internal politics of the men's movement
Eric's personal story, and how he started DadTalkToday
And finally, his documentary about John Mast, who was murdered during a custody exchange, an all-too-common occurrence.
The war on masculinity now exists in the political realm, with real levers of power being brought to bear upon the American family, through the American man. These aren't easy or comfortable subjects to look at, but they are important ones.
And Eric Carroll is a man of profound courage and commitment for continuing to be a voice for dads.
WATCH THIS INTERVIEW ON YOUTUBE
https://youtu.be/Tucf6op0wc8
CONNECT WITH DAD TALK TODAY
https://www.facebook.com/dadtalktoday
https://DadTalkToday.com
WATCH THE JOHN MAST DOCUMENTARY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_z0AfxT2bE
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model
Jeff Younger Controversy:
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May 12, 2022 • 1h 43min
DOUGLAS GILLETTE | The King in His Fullness
MY 50TH INTERVIEW
Douglas Gillette is the co-author of “King, Warrior, Magician, Lover”, an immortal classic of the men’s movement.
He’s also a husband, father, college professor, Jungian analyst, and poet.
I hear his book mentioned weekly because it helps men see their inherent goodness and nobility, in an era dedicated to shaming men for often exaggerated crimes of wickedness.
The mode of thinking it inspired also showed me that I could take core aspects of me and round them out in the hopes of someday becoming a King.
In our conversation we discussed:
How men's work began with the warrior energy and lost contact with it
Sensitive subjects the men's movement avoids
The importance of men separating from the mother, and how to do it without losing touch with the feminine
The power and strength in true humility
Christianity's answer to the origin of human suffering
And finally, some reflections as Douglas looks back on his life, as an elder.
To make a contribution like Douglas has to three generations of men requires authentic care, and genuine love for the masculine experience coupled with profound philosophical and spiritual insight.
I hope you’ll see, as I do, that is who Doug is.
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CONNECT WITH DOUG
https://ce.oakton.edu/public/category/programArea.do?method=load&selectedProgramAreaId=1016159
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
"Iron John" - by Robert Bly
"Fire in the Belly" - by Sam Keen
"Women Who Run With the Wolves" - by Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes
"A Gathering of Men" with Robert Bly and Bill Moyers
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Apr 28, 2022 • 2h 22min
JON RENNIE | Earn Your Oxygen
Jon Rennie is a former US Navy submarine officer, as well as a business leader, podcast host, and author.
We met on Twitter, where I saw his book “All In the Same Boat” about his time aboard the USS Tennessee and what it taught him about life and business.
I rarely read business books, but I thought I’d give his a try.
As a lover of sailing, his sea stories stirred my heart, and I thought my audience might enjoy them too.
In our conversation we discussed:
His background, and some formative moments aboard the Tennessee
How he raised his boys to become successful men
The three acts of his life: from Naval officer, to business leader, to author
The process of writing his trilogy of books about submarine and business life
What it was like serving during the Cold War
The accuracies and inaccuracies of the hit submarine films The Hunt for Red October, and Crimson Tide
Jon and I had one of my most fun conversations yet. He went on his own Hero’s Journey beneath the waves and brought back wisdom for all of us.
WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE
https://youtu.be/UhnO1u6QUDc
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CONNECT WITH JON
http://jonsrennie.com
http://twitter.com/jonsrennie
https://www.instagram.com/jonsrennie/
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
"The Hunt for Red October" trailer
"Crimson Tide" trailer
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Apr 21, 2022 • 2h 38min
PAUL RISSE | The Psychedelic Christian
Paul Risse is a husband, father, community leader, and author of the new book “The Psychedelic Christian.”
I’m new at being a Christian, but I’ve had positive experiences with ayahuasca, sound healing, psychotherapy, and more.
If my stories sound far out, Paul’s experiences are otherworldly:
Lucid dreaming, meditation, gnosticism, Hinduism, raw food veganism, microdosing, psychedelics from every letter of the alphabet, a year of living without electricity, and more.
In Paul's new book, he outlines how his former life led him unexpectedly to Christ.
In our conversation we discussed:
Paul's amazing life story
How some Christian denominations create dangerous environments for believers
Christianity, psychedelics, and sexuality
How we're losing ancestral wisdom to modernity
How I found Christ, or Christ found me, at Burning Man
And finally how Christianity is welcoming travelers bearing stories of journeys in the spirit realms.
These are controversial topics to discuss. To navigate them requires a man of wisdom, integrity, love for humanity, and reverence for God.
As I hope you'll see, these all describe my friend Paul to a T.
WATCH ON YOUTUBE:
https://youtu.be/cEyKVFa-pT0
BUY "THE PSYCHEDELIC CHRISTIAN"
https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Christian-Paul-Risse/dp/0578373211
CONNECT WITH PAUL:
https://www.instagram.com/paulrisse/
https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulRisse1
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST:
https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz
https://www.youtube.com/c/DoreenVirtueForJesus
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Apr 13, 2022 • 1h 23min
PASTOR DOUG WILSON | The Famine of Fatherhood
Pastor Doug Wilson is a husband, father, grandfather, author, Youtube star and the leader of the Christ Kirk Christian community in Moscow, Idaho.
He's also a man unafraid to speak the truth in a quiet but firm, compassionate but direct voice, sprinkled with a genuine sense of grandfatherly humor, and the occasional dad joke.
But at the same time, I've discovered he causes friction within the Christian community, apparently for saying things that we all mutter under our breath or say aloud over cigars and whiskey. But he's much more cheerful about them.
In our conversation Pastor Doug and I discussed:
The lessons he learned from his father
Constructive vs. destructive dominance
How men's sexual cycles need to follow women's sexual cycles for society to flourish
How outlawed Christian communities are coming back into fashion
How the famine of fatherhood ties into America's current land migration
Advice for new and longtime Christians
And finally, a brilliant perspective on Postmillennialism
My favorite part of this conversation is just how many quotable quotes Pastor Doug drops throughout the interview, in his how inimitable style.
WATCH ON YOUTUBE
https://youtu.be/V4u4TvWvMWg
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/is-it-time-for-intellectuals-to-talk?s=r
https://www.apologiastudios.com/
Future Men
Father Hunger
Rules for Reformers
CONNECT WITH PASTOR DOUG
http://dougwils.com
https://www.christkirk.com/
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Apr 1, 2022 • 29min
((SATIRE)) DONALD TRUMP, JORDAN PETERSON, and ALEX JONES | Spring Spectacular!
*** IMPORTANT NOTE ***
This is a satirical April Fool's Day episode and not an actual interview.
***
This week, I'm hosting a very special episode. A Spring Spectacular round table discussion with three of the most influential and controversial men today:
The 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump
The famous lecturer, psychologist, and author, Dr. Jordan Peterson
and...
The infamous radio host Alex Jones.
By now you must be feeling like I did. "What? How? Why?" I've come to see that these are questions that no man can answer. I'll let our conversation speak for itself.
But I will say we talked before and after the recording, and I learned a lot from all of them.
And we'll save that for a future episode.
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Mar 24, 2022 • 1h 14min
CR WILEY | The First Institution
CR Wiley is a husband, father, podcast host, pastor of a church outside of Portland, Oregon, and the author of the book “The Household and the War for the Cosmos.”
For me his book was the crystal around which 20 years of thinking about masculinity instantly solidified.
What most men of the Renaissance want is a plot of land, a wife to share our lives with, noble work, children, a God to worship, and to be left alone. It turns out there's a word for that. It's called a household.
And not only does a household have significance for us as men, it has significance for God as well.
The core themes of his book, namely piety, the household, and the cosmos
How the household can rebuild society
Advice for men on how to rebuild their household
Advice for women on how to awaken the building spirit in their men
And finally, his writing process, and his most recent book, "In the House of Tom Bombadil" about the character in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings.
Many men today aspire to self-sufficiency, which is a noble goal. But Pastor Wiley's restoration of the word household gives the dream of self-sufficiency a purpose, giving us something good, beautiful, and true to fight for.
WATCH ON YOUTUBE
https://youtu.be/jq3wo0H_79E
CONNECT WITH C.R. WILEY
https://crwiley.com/
https://crwiley.com/the-theology-pugcast/
https://www.instagram.com/christopher.wiley/
https://www.amazon.com/C-R-Wiley/e/B072KXZCH3
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneid
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Mar 8, 2022 • 2h 23min
CURT STORRING | Doing the Work
Curt Storring is a husband, father, men's coach, writer, and host of the Dad.Work podcast.
He writes, “Hi, my name is Curt Storring, and I’m a recovering shitty father. The first few years of fatherhood were hard for me. I was so overwhelmed, angry, and lonely, that it caused chaos in every other part of my life"
"My suffering was so great that I finally had to face the problem head-on and do something about it, or risk losing everything. My marriage, my family, my business… In fact, it got so bad that I began to wonder whether my life was even worth living.”
I don't usually use a man's own words to describe him, but I felt Curt's testimony would hit home for men who know those feelings well.
In our conversation we discussed:
Curt's moving transformation story from shitty father to men's leader
The notion of life artistry
The many blessings of failure
How fitness is a spiritual journey and the death spiral of obesity
And finally, the balance between men bonding through action vs. through dialogue.
Curt is a great example of the promise that it holds for men courageous enough to discover this special kind of strength.
CONNECT WITH CURT
Website: https://dad.work/
Podcast: iTunes — Spotify
Instagram: @dadworkcurt
Facebook: Dad.Work
MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
Headspace App
Dr. Dan Siegel
Dan Go
Dad.Work Podcast with Lael Stone
Dad.Work Podcast with David Stegman
PODCASTING 2.0
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