
SpyCast
SpyCast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum, is a journey into the shadows of international espionage. Each week, host Sasha Ingber brings you the latest insights and intriguing tales from spies, secret agents, and covert communicators, with a focus on how this secret world reaches us all in our everyday lives. Tune in to discover the critical role intelligence has played throughout history and today. Brought to you from Airwave, Goat Rodeo, and the International Spy Museum. The Spy Museum does not endorse, approve, or support the opinions stated by guest speakers. Statements made by speakers do not represent the position or opinion of the International Spy Museum.
Latest episodes

Oct 10, 2023 • 1h 22min
“Former Israeli National Security Advisor” – with Uzi Arad
SummaryUzi Arad (Wikipedia) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence and policy at the highest level. Uzi was also a former foreign policy advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Director of Intelligence for the Mossad. What You’ll LearnIntelligence
National security in Israel
Israel’s position within the Middle East
State leaders as consumers of intelligence
Uzi’s relationship with PM Netanyahu
Reflections
Handling intense pressure
Power, proximity, and influence
And much, much more …Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
Irregular Warfare & Intelligence with IWC Director Dennis Walters (2023)
Israeli Military Intelligence with IDF Brig. General (Res.) Yossi Kuperwasser (2023)
Keeping Secrets/Disclosing Secrets with Spy Chief turned DG of Australia’s National Archives David Fricker (2022)
Intelligence & the World’s Largest Democracy with Former Indian Intelligence Director Vikram Sood (2021)
*Beginner Resources*
National Security Definition and Examples, R. Longley, ThoughtCo (2021) [Short article]
What Was the Iran-Contra Affair?, HISTORY, YouTube (2018) [5 min. video]
A 60-Second Guide To The Arab Spring, G. Wyler, Insider (2011) [Short article]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
Eighteen Days in October: The Yom Kippur War and How It Created the Modern Middle East, U. Kaufman (St. Martin’s Press, 2023)
Bibi: The Turbulent Life and Times of Benjamin Netanyahu, A. Pfeffer (Basic Books, 2018)
Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad, G. Thomas (St. Martin’s Griffin, 2015)
Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East, M. B. Oren (Presidio Press, 2006)
Primary Sources
Trilateral Statement on the Middle East Summit at David Peace, The Avalon Project (2000)
The Wye River Memorandum (1998)
The Washington Declaration, Jewish Virtual Library (1994)
Report of the Congressional Committees Investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, CIA FOIA (1987)
Israel’s “Peace for the Galilee” Operation in Lebanon – Some Initial Perspectives, Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (1982)
Sitting 145 of the Ninth Knesset (1978)
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Oct 3, 2023 • 1h 30min
“A Crash Course in Israeli Intelligence” – with Erez David Maisel
Erez David Maisel, former head of the IDF's International Cooperation Division, provides a crash-course in Israeli intelligence history. Topics include early intelligence efforts in Palestine, the origins of Israeli intelligence organizations, and the shift from British to American influence. This is the first episode of a 5-part series on Israeli Intelligence.

Sep 26, 2023 • 1h 3min
“First of Many…America’s First Female Intelligence Agency Chief” – with former NGA Director Letitia “Tish” Long
Former Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Letitia Long, discusses intelligence, GEOINT importance, reflections on Bin Laden raid, differences between NGO and NGA, and information sharing between spy chiefs in an entertaining podcast.

Sep 19, 2023 • 1h 5min
“Former Senior Indian Intelligence Officer” – R&AW Special Secretary Vappala Balachandran
SummaryVappala Balachandran (Wikipedia) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his career and the ancient roots of espionage in India. Bala formerly served as Special Secretary for India’s Cabinet Secretariat. What You’ll LearnIntelligence
India’s Research and Analysis Wing
The Tamil Tigers’ threat to Indian national security
Intelligence considerations within India-Pakistan relations
Lessons in intelligence from Ancient India
Reflections
Intelligence, the 2nd oldest profession
Transitioning from leader to student
And much, much more …Quotes of the Week“There was a lot of pressure. There was a lot of pressure, especially, for example: Certain incidents happening – What would be the repercussions in India? Now, anything that happens in Pakistan, it will have some repercussions in India. And, same thing in Afghanistan, and then all the neighboring countries, we are to watch them.” – Vappala Balachandran.Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
Irish Garda Intelligence Chief with Assistant Commissioner Michael McElgunn (2023)
Venice’s Secret Service with Ioanna Iordanou (2023)
Indian Intelligence & Cyber, A Conversation with Sameer Patil, ORF Mumbai (2023)
Intelligence & the World’s Largest Democracy with Former Indian Intelligence Director Vikram Sood (2021)
*Beginner Resources*
The Entire History of India in Under 10 Minutes, Made in History, YouTube (2022) [10 min. Video]
RAW: A History of India’s Covert Operations, Y. Yadav, New Indian Express (2020) [Short article]
Timeline: India-Pakistan Relations, A. Hashim, Al Jazeera (2019) [Historical timeline]
DEEPER DIVEPrimary Sources
Agreement on a ceasefire between Sri Lanka and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (2022)
Pradhan Inquiry Commission Report, 26/11 Mumbai Terror Attacks (2009)
Lessons from the Mumbai Terrorist Attacks, US Senate Hearing (2009)
Kautilya’s Arthashastra (1915 translation)
Thiruvalluvar’s Tirukkuṟaḷ (1886 translation)
The Police Act (1861)
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Sep 12, 2023 • 1h 2min
“Irish Garda Intelligence Chief” – with Assistant Commissioner Michael McElgunn
SummaryMichael McElgunn (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in the Republic of Ireland. Michael is the Assistant Commissioner of An Garda Síochána’s Crime and Security Intelligence Service. What You’ll LearnIntelligence
The history of An Garda Síochána
The intelligence components of the Garda
The present state of Northern Ireland relations
Current threats to Irish national security
Reflections
The value of collaboration
Evolving alongside a changing world
And much, much more …Quote of the Week“I think people should in general take comfort from the work that is done by intelligence services and the exceptional collaboration that there is with these services to keep people safe. And that is not just at home, that's abroad – Where we come into possession of a piece of intelligence that we feel will be a value elsewhere, we'll share that elsewhere.” – Michael McElgunn.Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
Kenya, East Africa, and America with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett (2023)
St. Ermin’s Hotel, London – The History of a Legendary Spy Site with Stephen Duffy (2023)
Espionage and the Two Queens with Kent Tiernan (2023)
The IRA, The Troubles & Intelligence with Eleanor Williams and Thomas Leahy (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
A Brief History of Ireland, T. Lambert, Local Histories, n.d. [Short article]
Our History, An Garda Síochána, n.d. [Web page]
The Troubles, J. Wallenfeldt, Encyclopedia Britannica [Encyclopedia entry]
DEEPER DIVEBooks
We Don't Know Ourselves: A Personal History of Modern Ireland, F. O’Toole (Liveright, 2023)
Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland, P. R. Keefe (Anchor, 2020)
Policing Twentieth Century Ireland: A History of An Garda Síochána, V. Conway (Routledge, 2013)
The Guarding of Ireland – The Garda Síochána and the Irish State 1960–2014: A History of the Irish Police Force, C. Brady (Gill Books, 2014)
Primary Sources
Gárda Síochána (Temporary Provisions) Act (1923)
Royal Irish Constabulary Office Preliminary Arrangements for Disbandment, Garda Archives (1922)
Orders for the Guidance of the Troops, Garda Archives (1919)
National Union of Police and Prison Officers, National Museum of Ireland (1919)
The Police and the Nation, Garda Archives (1916)
1916 Proclamation, National Museum of Ireland (1916)
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Sep 5, 2023 • 1h 9min
“Kenya, East Africa, and America” – with African Intelligence Chief Wilson Boinett
SummaryBrigadier General (Ret.) Wilson Boinett joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss Kenyan intelligence. Wilson is the former Director of Kenya’s National Intelligence Service. What You’ll LearnIntelligence
The effect of colonialism on intelligence
The organization of Kenya’s National Intelligence Service
Wilson’s role in adapting and reforming Kenyan intelligence
The Nairobi bombings and effects on East Africa
Reflections
Institutional insurgency
The courage to push for and enact change
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*Episode NotesThis week on SpyCast, we are thrilled to be joined by our first ever African intelligence chief. Brigadier General (Ret.) Wilson Boinett is the individual credited with transforming Kenya’s National Intelligence Service into the world-class agency it is today. Following a decades long career in the Kenyan Army, Wilson became the first Director of the newly created intelligence agency in 1999. He believed in the possibly of change and the potential for collaboration amongst East African countries and set out to do just that. Tune in to this week’s episode to learn more about his extraordinary career and lessons in leadership. This episode is the second in our Spy Chiefs Special series that will run throughout September. Stay tuned in the weeks to come to hear perspectives from Ireland, India, and the first woman to direct an American intelligence organization. *EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*Quotes of the WeekI was coming in at the time when all those things were happening and the Cold War was over, and the western intelligence did not care very much what Kenya was going to do. So, I had an opportunity to look at this monster called change …. I went to the president, and I said, “I think it is time to change.” And he said, “Go change it.” Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
David Petraeus on Ukraine & Intelligence with the former CIA Director & 4* General (2023)
Spies: The Epic Intelligence War Between East vs. West with Calder Walton (2023)
Irregular Warfare & Intelligence with IWC Director Dennis Walters (2023)
The 75th Anniversary of the CIA with former Director Robert Gates (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
A Brief History of Kenya, A. Boddy-Evans, ThoughtCo (2020) [Short Article]
The Late British Empire, History Matters, YouTube (2017) [Ten-minute video]
What Was the Mau Mau Uprising? Imperial War Museum (n.d.) [Short article]
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*DEEPER DIVEBooks
History of Resistance in Kenya, M. wa Kĩnyattĩ (Mau Mau Research Center, 2019)
Kenya After 50: Reconfiguring Historical, Political, and Policy Milestones, M. M. Kithinji et al. (Palgrave Macmillan, 2016)
Population, Tradition, and Environmental Control in Colonial Kenya, M. S. Shanguhyia (University of Rochester Press, 2015)
Kenya: A History Since Independence, C. Hornsby (I.B. Tauris, 2013)
Primary Sources
Report of the Accountability Review Boards: Bombings of the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, US Department of Justice (1999)
5 Fugitives Indicted in Embassy Bombings, J. Mintz, The Washington Post (1998)
The National Security Intelligence Service Act (1998)
Lancaster House Agreement, United Nations Peacemaker (1979)
Kenya Independence Act (1963)
Kenyan Independence Memorandum by the Secretary of State for Commonwealth, UK National Archives (1963)
Mau Mau Violence – Control Measures, CIA (1953)
The Situation in Kenya (Mau Mau Uprising), CIA (1952)
General Act of the Berlin Conference on West Africa, San Diego State University (1885)
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE**Wildcard Resource*
Take a trip to Nairobi from your couch and explore the National Museums of Kenya through Google Arts & Culture.
Explore Kenya’s 7 UNESCO World Heritage Sites, Take a Tour of the Nairobi Gallery, or Learn a Bit of Swahili, one of Kenya’s two official languages!
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Aug 29, 2023 • 1h 23min
“David Petraeus on Ukraine & Intelligence” – with the former CIA Director & 4* General
Former CIA Director David Petraeus joins the podcast to discuss the war in Ukraine, including his strategic analysis and the role of intelligence. They also touch on topics such as the power of narrative, organizational culture, and Petraeus' time as Director of the CIA. Listen in for an in-depth analysis from one of the most talented American officers of his generation.

Aug 22, 2023 • 1h 2min
“America 3.0” – with Bill Britton of the California Cybersecurity Institute (CCI)
SummaryBill Britton (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) in a discussion about cybersecurity and cyber awareness. Bill is the Director of the California Cybersecurity Institute and CIO at Cal Poly. What You’ll LearnIntelligence
How to better protect your online information
Why cybersecurity is more important now than ever
How Cal Poly is addressing cybersecurity challenges
The state of cyber in California and America
Reflections
Confronting our learned habits
Lifelong learning
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*Episode NotesThis week on SpyCast, Andrew was joined in the studio by Bill Britton, Vice President of Information Technology, Chief Information Officer at Cal Poly, and the Director of the California Cybersecurity Institute. Bill joins us to discuss the work Cal Poly is doing to train, accelerate, and empower the next generation of cybersecurity professionals.And… In 2011, Oprah Winfrey declared San Luis Obispo “America’s Happiest City,” and it’s no wonder why – the quiet city is nestled within a beautiful landscape surrounded by historic architecture, interesting landmarks, and over 250 vineyards. Erin and Andrew are rethinking their East coast lifestyles… Quotes of the Week“We're trying to establish a way that people think differently about what cyber really is and does for them, and how it can be an expediter of their abilities to have a job and do great things for not just themselves, but the nation at large.” – Bill Britton*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
Indian Intelligence & Cyber with Sameer Patil of ORF Mumbai (2023)
Espionage and the Metaverse with Cathy Hackl (2023)
Trafficking Data: The Digital Struggle with Aynne Kokas (2022)
Sure, I Can Hack Your Organization with Eric Escobar, Part 1 (2022)
Sure, I Can Hack Your Organization with Eric Escobar, Part 2 (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
CyberWire Word Notes, CyberWire (2023) [Audio glossary]
What is Cybersecurity?, CISA (2021) [Short article]
Cybersecurity in 7 minutes, Simplilearn (2020) [7 min video]
*EXTENDED SHOW NOTES & FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE*DEEPER DIVEBooks
The Cyberweapons Arms Race, N. Perloth (Bloomsbury, 2021)
Cult of the Dead Cow: How the Original Hacking Supergroup Might Just Save the World, J. Menn (Public Affairs, 2019)
The Art of Invisibility, K. Mitnick (Little, Brown, and Company, 2017)
Ghost In The Wires: My Adventures as the World's Most Wanted Hacker, K. Mitnick & W. L. Simon (Little, Brown, and Company, 2011)
Primary Sources
Cybersecurity Case Library, Vol. 1, California Cybersecurity Institute (2021)
NASA’s Cybersecurity Readiness, NASA (2021)
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986, US Congress (1986)
*Wildcard Resource*
Defend the Crown (2021)
A computer game for all ages that teaches the basics of cybersecurity, through the defense of your virtual castle from cyber ninjas!
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Aug 15, 2023 • 1h 3min
"The Gambling Capital of the World: Intelligence, Las Vegas Style!" – with James Lockhart and Keith Michaels
James Lockhart and Keith Michaels, both experienced in Las Vegas gaming surveillance, join Andrew to discuss intelligence in casinos. They talk about how surveillance is conducted, collaboration between casinos and intelligence organizations, the mob origins of Las Vegas, and nation-state intelligence threats. They also touch on topics like card counting, the 'eye in the sky' concept, and methods of infiltrating a casino.

Aug 8, 2023 • 1h 10min
“China’s Corporate Spy War” – with CNBC’s Eamon Javers
SummaryEamon Javers (Twitter, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter, LinkedIn) to discuss China’s Corporate Spy War. Eamon is the Senior Washington correspondent at CNBC. What You’ll LearnIntelligence
Why go after corporate secrets?
What’s at stake for the United States
The case of Yanjun Xu and GE Aviation
Military implications of economic espionage
Reflections
The innovation nation
Simple twists of fate
And much, much more …
***FULL SHOWNOTES AVAILABLE HERE***
Episode NotesThis week on SpyCast, Andrew is joined by CNBC’s Senior Washington Correspondent Eamon Javers to discuss his new documentary, China’s Corporate Spy War. Quotes of the Week“I don't think people in corporate America knew that, fully understood the scale of the threat. They thought this was kind of an annoyance like shoplifting is, and that you kind of just build in some procedures and there's some sunk costs associated with that, and you move on. What these intelligence guys were describing was an entirely different threat. This was the elimination of major American brands from the global marketplace.” - Eamon Javers.Resources SURFACE SKIM*SpyCasts*
Spies: The Epic Intelligence War Between East vs. West with Calder Walton (2023)
The Counterintelligence Chief with FBI Assistant Director Alan Kohler (2023)
Trafficking Data: The Digital Struggle with China with Aynne Kokas (2023)
The FBI & Cyber with Cyber Division Chief Bryan Vorndran, Part 1 (2022)
The FBI & Cyber with Cyber Division Chief Bryan Vorndran, Part 2 (2022)
Dealing with Russia – A Conversation with Counterintelligence Legend Jim Olson (2022)
*Beginner Resources*
What is Corporate Espionage?, A. T. Tunggal, UpGuard (2023) [Article]
Timeline: U.S.-China Relations, Council on Foreign Relations (n.d.) [Timeline]
A Tale of High Stakes Corporate Espionage, Bloomberg (2023) [7:44 video]
***FULL SHOWNOTES AVAILABLE HERE***DEEPER DIVEBooks
SPIES: The Epic Intelligence War Between East and West, C. Walton (Simon & Schuster, 2023)
The Scientist and the Spy: A True Story of China, the FBI, and Industrial Espionage, M. Hvistendahl (Riverhead Books, 2020)
To Catch a Spy: The Art of Counterintelligence, J. Olson (GUP, 2019)
Broker, Trader, Lawyer, Spy: The Secret World of Corporate Espionage, E. Javers (HarperCollins, 2010)
Primary Sources
A Survey of Reported Chinese Espionage, 2000 to the Present, CSIS (2023)
Justice Department Announces Five Cases as Part of Recently Launched Disruptive Technology Strike Force, U.S. Department of Justice (2023)
Chinese Government Intelligence Officer Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison for Espionage Crimes, Attempting to Steal Trade Secrets From Cincinnati Company, U.S. Department of Justice (2022)
Executive Summary - China: The Risk to Corporate America, FBI (2019)
Economic Espionage Act (1996)
*Wildcard Resource*
The Second Letter from Père d’Entrecolles to Father Orry (1722)
The art of porcelain making and selling was mastered under the Qing Dynasty. The West got curious and knew the form of pottery could be profitable to produce on their own. Because of the secrets shared by this Jesuit priest, China’s monopoly on porcelain production quickly toppled and the practice was spread across Europe.
***FULL SHOWNOTES AVAILABLE HERE***
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