

The Gray Area with Sean Illing
Vox
The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday. From the Vox Media Podcast Network.
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Sep 29, 2025 • 1h 4min
Why TikTok matters
In a captivating discussion, Emily Baker-White, a seasoned reporter and author of *Every Screen on the Planet*, dives into TikTok's addictive nature, unveiling how its algorithm reshapes social media into an entertainment powerhouse. She highlights the fascinating blend of human moderation with AI, revealing the impact of internal tools on content visibility. Emily also explores TikTok's geopolitical implications, concerns about data privacy, and the U.S. government's attempts to regulate its operations, painting a vivid picture of the platform's cultural significance.

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Sep 22, 2025 • 47min
The sun will save us
In this conversation, climate activist Bill McKibben, founder of 350.org and author of Here Comes the Sun, highlights the urgent need for action against climate change while offering a glimmer of hope. He discusses the astonishing growth of solar and wind energy, which have become the most affordable power sources. McKibben also reflects on the political landscape shaped by fossil fuel resistance, the lessons from Texas and Utah, and the promise of abundant clean energy to transform both the climate crisis and democracy itself.

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Sep 15, 2025 • 54min
How much free speech is too much?
Fara Dabhoiwala, a historian at Princeton and author of 'What Is Free Speech?', dives deep into the complexities of free speech. She challenges the notion of free speech as an absolute right, tracing its historical evolution from pamphleteers to today's digital platforms. The discussion highlights the interplay of context and power in shaping speech, the hypocrisy often found in its application, and the pressing need for responsible regulation in a media-driven world. Dabhoiwala prompts listeners to rethink the balance between expression and potential harm.

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Sep 1, 2025 • 54min
Imagine there's no billionaires
Ingrid Robeyns, a political philosopher and economist at Utrecht University, argues for capping personal wealth accumulation. She reveals how extreme wealth inequality threatens democracy and discusses the ethical responsibilities of the super-rich to support the less fortunate. Robeyns explores limitarianism as a viable solution to address wealth concentration and contrasts the American model with the successful Scandinavian social democracy. The conversation emphasizes the need to reshape our understanding of wealth and advocate for a more equitable society.

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Aug 25, 2025 • 52min
America's lawyers vs. China's engineers
In this engaging discussion, Dan Wang, author of "Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future," sheds light on the contrasting infrastructure strategies of America and China. He explores how China's engineering-driven leadership accelerates projects while America's lawyer-centric system bogs down progress. Wang shares insights from his bike trip through Guizhou, reflecting on the nation’s rapid advancements amidst socio-political challenges. The conversation also delves into how both countries can learn from each other's economic models to address pressing issues.

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Aug 18, 2025 • 52min
So, what exactly is the “New Right?”
Laura Field, a political theorist and author of *Furious Minds*, dives into the rise of the 'New Right' and its ideological roots that challenge American liberal democracy. She discusses the movement’s diverse factions, like Claremonters and national conservatives, and their influences on mainstream politics. Field emphasizes the importance of engagement from ordinary Americans, highlighting theobscure yet impactful ideas circulating in underground circles. This fascinating conversation uncovers the complexities and contradictions within the New Right.

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Aug 11, 2025 • 54min
America is losing big on sports betting
Join Jonathan D. Cohen, a writer and author of Losing Big: America's Reckless Bet on Sports Gambling, as he reveals the explosive growth of sports betting in America. He discusses how tech-savvy apps lure young men into gambling, turning it into a cultural norm. Cohen highlights the social and psychological costs, including rising addiction rates among younger demographics. The conversation critiques the industry's marketing tactics, examines the parallels with financial platforms, and explores the urgent need for responsible regulations to protect vulnerable gamblers.

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Aug 4, 2025 • 1h 1min
It’s time to get weird
Douglas Rushkoff, a renowned media theorist and author, dives into the evolution of the internet, discussing its shift from a hopeful space to a corporate tool of control. He emphasizes the loss of creativity and community in today’s digital landscape and advocates for reclaiming the unique and 'weird' aspects of online culture. Rushkoff highlights the importance of localized solutions and genuine human connections, arguing that technology can still be harnessed to foster a more engaged and communal society.

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Jul 28, 2025 • 60min
What if humans went extinct next Friday?
In this thought-provoking discussion, Mark C. Taylor, a philosopher and cultural critic known for his work on existentialism, dives into humanity's identity crisis amid ecological and technological turmoil. He critiques individualism and explores our disconnectedness from nature, stressing the urgency of recognizing our interdependence. They ponder topics like the implications of AI, the philosophical roots of our isolation, and the urgent need for a paradigm shift in understanding existence. The conversation challenges listeners to reimagine their relationship with the world.

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Jul 21, 2025 • 58min
Can college survive Trump?
In this discussion, Michael Roth, the president of Wesleyan University and author, dives into the political challenges currently facing American higher education. He addresses how the Trump administration's actions have threatened funding and academic freedom, stirring concerns over ideological conformity on campuses. Roth questions the evolving purpose of college in our society and advocates for a more diverse range of ideas in education. With a critical view on the effects of AI and political shifts, he aims to redefine the role of higher education for future generations.