
The Incubator
A weekly discussion about new evidence in neonatal care and the fascinating individuals who make this progress possible. Hosted by Dr. Ben Courchia and Dr. Daphna Yasova Barbeau.
Latest episodes

Apr 6, 2025 • 13min
#297 - [Journal Club Shorts] - 📌 Evaluating decision regret after extremely preterm birth.
Send us a textEvaluating decision regret after extremely preterm birth.Belden L, Kaempf J, Mackley A, Kernan-Schloss F, Chen C, Sturtz W, Tomlinson MW, Guillen U.Arch Dis Child Fetal Neonatal Ed. 2025 Feb 21;110(2):191-199. doi: 10.1136/archdischild-2024-327287.PMID: 39164062As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Apr 6, 2025 • 12min
#297 - [Journal Club Shorts] - 📌 Short Duration of Antenatal Corticosteroid Exposure and Outcomes in Extremely Preterm Infants.
Send us a textShort Duration of Antenatal Corticosteroid Exposure and Outcomes in Extremely Preterm Infants.Chawla S, Wyckoff MH, Lakshminrusimha S, Rysavy MA, Patel RM, Chowdhury D, Das A, Greenberg RG, Natarajan G, Shankaran S, Bell EF, Ambalavanan N, Younge NE, Laptook AR, Pavlek LR, Backes CH, Van Meurs KP, Werner EF, Carlo WA; National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) Neonatal Research Network (NRN).JAMA Netw Open. 2025 Feb 3;8(2):e2461312. doi: 10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2024.61312.PMID: 39982720 Free PMC article.As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Apr 6, 2025 • 12min
#297 - [Journal Club Shorts] - 📌 Neonatal intermittent hypoxemia events are associated with later systemic hypertension.
Send us a textNeonatal intermittent hypoxemia events are associated with later systemic hypertension.Martinez S, Chen Z, Di Fiore JM, Nguyen C, Minich NM, Hibbs AM.Pediatr Res. 2025 Jan 31. doi: 10.1038/s41390-025-03881-w. Online ahead of print.PMID: 39885241As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Apr 6, 2025 • 17min
#297 - [Journal Club Shorts] - 📌 Whole-Body Hypothermia for Neonatal Encephalopathy in Preterm Infants 33 to 35 Weeks' Gestation: A Randomized Clinical Trial.
Send us a textWhole-Body Hypothermia for Neonatal Encephalopathy in Preterm Infants 33 to 35 Weeks' Gestation: A Randomized Clinical Trial.Faix RG, Laptook AR, Shankaran S, Eggleston B, Chowdhury D, Heyne RJ, Das A, Pedroza C, Tyson JE, Wusthoff C, Bonifacio SL, Sánchez PJ, Yoder BA, Laughon MM, Vasil DM, Van Meurs KP, Crawford MM, Higgins RD, Poindexter BB, Colaizy TT, Hamrick SEG, Chalak LF, Ohls RK, Hartley-McAndrew ME, Dysart K, D'Angio CT, Guillet R, Kicklighter SD, Carlo WA, Sokol GM, DeMauro SB, Hibbs AM, Cotten CM, Merhar SL, Bapat RV, Harmon HM, Sewell E, Winter S, Natarajan G, Mosquera R, Hintz SR, Maitre NL, Benninger KL, Peralta-Carcelen M, Hines AC, Duncan AF, Wilson-Costello DE, Trembath A, Malcolm WF, Walsh MC; Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Neonatal Research Network.JAMA Pediatr. 2025 Feb 24:e246613. doi: 10.1001/jamapediatrics.2024.6613. Online ahead of print.PMID: 39992674As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Apr 2, 2025 • 52min
#296 - Understanding Delirium in the NICU
Send us a textDelirium in the NICU is an under-recognized and under-assessed challenge. In this episode of The Incubator Podcast, Ben and Daphna sit down with Dr. Karishma Rao and clinical pharmacist Alex Oschman from Children’s Mercy Hospital to explore the complexities of neonatal delirium. Drawing on their collaborative work and recent publication in Frontiers in Pharmacology, they unpack the nuances of distinguishing delirium from pain, agitation, withdrawal, and sedation—particularly in medically complex, long-stay infants.The conversation highlights the limitations of current assessment tools, such as the CAPD (Cornell Assessment of Pediatric Delirium), and the barriers to implementation in the NICU setting. The team shares practical strategies, including modifying pain and withdrawal protocols, minimizing deliriogenic medications like benzodiazepines and opioids, and emphasizing non-pharmacological interventions like early mobility, sleep hygiene, and environmental optimization.They also discuss pharmacologic options when needed, such as the selective use of atypical antipsychotics like quetiapine or risperidone, and raise critical questions about how developmental care might reduce the need for sedation altogether. This episode is a call to action for NICU teams to better understand, assess, and address delirium in our most vulnerable patients through collaborative, multidisciplinary care. As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Mar 30, 2025 • 1h 13min
#295 – 🗞️ NeoNews: Vaccine Schedule, Birthright, Trust in our Doctors, and more…
Send us a textIn this packed episode of Neo News, Eli, Ben, and Daphna dive into the headlines impacting neonatology and public health. The trio starts with the controversial confirmation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as head of HHS, analyzing his actions around the CDC, NIH, vaccine policy, and the implications of promoting “informed consent” messaging in place of public health advocacy. Drawing from reporting by The New York Times, STAT News, and Science Magazine, the team unpacks how these shifts could affect vaccine uptake in the NICU.Next, they examine the threat to birthright citizenship in the U.S., based on analysis from The New York Times, and how immigration policy may directly impact NICU families’ access to care and trust in healthcare systems.They also discuss a Wall Street Journal article detailing the erosion of trust in physicians post-pandemic and the fallout from a recent JAMA Pediatrics study on therapeutic hypothermia in late preterms, which raised questions about research transparency.Other highlights include studies from Scientific Reports, JAMA Network Open, and The New York Times on air pollution, paternity leave, language-concordant care, and breastfeeding. The show ends with a call to action from Dr. Shadel Shah’s op-ed advocating for the continuation of the PREEMIE Act. As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Mar 28, 2025 • 32min
#294 – Dynamics of human milk expression after very preterm birth in the NICU: Dr Ilana Levene
Delve into the world of human milk expression in the NICU with Dr. Ilana Levene as she discusses her innovative research using relaxation techniques. Uncover the importance of negative research results and how they drive progress. Explore her commitment to perinatal equity with a project to create a diverse image library for lactation resources. Learn about the development of free educational tools for NICU parents, while gaining insights on the emotional journey of breastfeeding and the unique challenges faced by neonatal caregivers.

Mar 26, 2025 • 57min
#293 - 👶 Skin to skin: How parents can buffer pain, improve sleep, and decrease stress of their NICU babies
Send us a textIn this episode of Beyond the Beeps, Leah discusses the importance of understanding a baby's senses in the NICU with occupational therapists Emily Hills and Lindsay Hardy. They explore the concept of co-occupation and co-regulation, emphasizing the vital role parents play in their baby's development. The conversation delves into the eight senses, the impact of early birth on sensory development, and practical tips for parents to enhance their baby's NICU experience. The episode highlights the significance of parental presence and the right way to interact with babies in a sensitive environment. In this conversation, Lindsay and Emily discuss the vital role of parents in the NICU, emphasizing the importance of breathing, connection, and communication. They explore the concept of touch times, the significance of sensory needs in the NICU environment, and how parents can manage their baby's pain during procedures. The discussion highlights the need for a supportive environment for both parents and healthcare providers, focusing on the shared sensory experiences that can enhance care. Ultimately, they convey a message of hope for families navigating the challenges of the NICU journey.As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Mar 23, 2025 • 57min
#292 - Neonatology Staffing Practices (ft WiN Group)
Send us a textIn this week’s episode, Daphna hosts a powerful roundtable featuring Drs. Kerri Machut, Milenka Cuevas-Guaman, Emily Miller, Christine Bishop, and Christiane Dammann—leaders of a national effort to improve neonatology staffing. Together, they share insights from their recently developed recommendations, created through a Delphi consensus process and supported by a strategic grant from the AAP Section on Neonatal-Perinatal Medicine. These evidence-informed guidelines aim to promote safer, more sustainable, and more transparent staffing models in NICUs across the country. The team discusses key themes including defining clinical FTEs in hours per year, ensuring flexible scheduling, protecting time for scholarly and administrative work, and how to advocate for systemic change. Notably, these landmark recommendations have been accepted for publication in the journal Pediatrics and will be available online in May 2025. Listeners will also learn about an upcoming toolkit designed to help individuals and institutions apply these recommendations in practice. Whether you’re a practicing neonatologist, a trainee, or in a leadership role, this conversation offers timely solutions to address burnout, support workforce well-being, and ultimately improve care for the smallest and sickest patients. As always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!

Mar 19, 2025 • 1h 13min
#291 -🔬Understanding Fetal Growth (ft. Dr. Paul Rozance)
Send us a textIn this episode of the Incubator, Dr. Paul Rozance discusses his research on fetal metabolism and growth regulation, emphasizing the role of insulin, glucagon, and placental function in development. He shares insights on how metabolic signals influence fetal growth and how complications like placental insufficiency impact long-term health. The conversation also highlights the challenges of translating research from animal models to clinical applications and the importance of collaboration in advancing neonatal science. Get your popcorn! There are some suspenseful stories #getyourpopcorn. #barker hypothesis #neuroendocrinologyAs always, feel free to send us questions, comments, or suggestions to our email: nicupodcast@gmail.com. You can also contact the show through Instagram or Twitter, @nicupodcast. Or contact Ben and Daphna directly via their Twitter profiles: @drnicu and @doctordaphnamd. The papers discussed in today's episode are listed and timestamped on the webpage linked below. Enjoy!