
Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers
The psychedelic renaissance is here! Join Dr. Steve Thayer, Dr. Reid Robison, and special guests as they explore the frontiers of psychedelic medicine and what it takes to cultivate a healthy mind, body, and spirit. Our hosts draw from their extensive knowledge and experience with psychedelic therapy research and treatment to discuss the science, practice, and art of psychedelic healing. If you are a helping professional, therapist, clinician, guide, healer, psychedelic enthusiast, or simply curious about mental, physical, and spiritual health, this is the podcast for you!
Latest episodes

Sep 7, 2021 • 1h 3min
Treating trauma with psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Hannah Cross, LCSW, to discuss how psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy is used to treat trauma. They cover the following topics:(1:00) Hannah introduces herself. Wild Sunflower Counseling (1:45) How is trauma defined? (3:25) "Little t" vs. "Big T" trauma(8:35) How trauma affects the mind, nervous system, and body. The Body Keeps the Score, by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D. (12:12) The three E's of trauma(12:28) Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT) and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) for PTSD (14:31) Understanding and treating trauma from a "parts work" perspective (18:35) MAPS and MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD(29:10) Trauma Release Exercises (TRE) and trauma trapped in the body(34:10) The breath is the barometer and remote control of the mind(37:00) Episode on how to integrate a psychedelic experience (37:10) Trance/Ecstatic dance for embodied healing (41:20) Processing and releasing damned up emotion (e.g., using ayahuasca and ketamine)(42:48) Reclaiming your identity/voice after trauma (45:18) How ketamine-assisted psychotherapy is used to treat trauma(51:48) Psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy can provide corrective experiences(55:13) MDMA shows promise as a couples therapy enhancer (57:26) The challenges of treating trauma as a clinician Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Aug 31, 2021 • 58min
Treating eating disorders with ketamine-assisted psychotherapy
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison discuss how ketamine-assisted psychotherapy is used to treat eating disorders. They cover the following topics:(1:00) The combination of nature and nurture that leads to the development of disordered eating and eating disorders (2:55) Holy Anorexia, by Rudolph M. Bell(4:00) Center for Change eating disorder clinic(4:41) "Manorexia"-- eating disorders in males are under-recognized (7:45) Biological underpinnings of eating disorders(11:26) Environmental pressures and unnatural foods contribute to disordered eating (14:20) The Molecule of More, by Daniel Z. Lieberman and Michael E. Long(15:55) Women, Food, and God, by Geneen Roth (16:23) Radical Acceptance, by Tara Brach (19:50) Reasons eating disorders are difficult to treat and heal from(22:00) Health at any size and the limitations of BMI as a metric of health (25:10) Using psychedelics to treat eating disorders and why they might be effective (31:50) The importance of supportive others (like family) in eating disorder recovery and rethinking the word "burden"(40:34) High doses and multiple sessions might be required for psychedelic-assisted therapy for eating disorders (44:20) We need to be more proactive in screening for eating disorders and disordered eating (e.g., the SCOFF questionnaire)(46:27) Orthorexia (49:15) Yin & Yang, Masculine & Feminine, and balance (53:30) Journeys of Embodiment at the Intersection of Body and Culture, by Niva PiranLearn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Aug 24, 2021 • 1h 7min
Pairing ketamine with EMDR & other therapy methods
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Bob Mcnutt, LCSW, to discuss the how ketamine is combined with a variety of psychotherapy modalities, particularly EMDR. They cover the following topics:(1:50) Bob introduces himself and explains his interest in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy. becoming a ketamine therapist. (4:20) What is psycholytic vs psychedelic psychotherapy?(9:25) An brief introduction to EMDR(11:03) EMDRIA training for EMDR(11:55) The role of exposure in EMDR(17:00) Somatic Experiencing by Peter Levine(18:45) Ketamine helps with the "window of tolerance" in therapy(24:13) Why EMDR and ketamine pair well(25:23) What is psychotherapy and why does it work?(31:07) The Shrink Next Door movie(34:02) Ketamine might help clients make better use of therapy and open up to the therapeutic relationship(37:25) Psychedelics pair well with a variety of therapy methods, but it depends on what each individual needs(38:25) Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and psychedelics(40:35) The challenges of treating attachment-based trauma vs single-case traumas (48:15) How to Change Your Mind, by Michael Pollan (48:45) Get out of the way of the medicine(51:50) The Yale Manual for Psilocybin-Assisted Therapy of Depression (using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy as a Therapeutic Frame)(52:05) Psychedelic Harm Reduction and Integration: A Transtheoretical Model for Clinical Practice(52:53) Hakomi therapy (54:00) Marcela Ot'alora on how to become a psychedelic therapist(58:15) Countertransference, co-regulation, and psychedelic therapy (1:02:50) Summary of therapies that might pair well with psychedelics Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Aug 17, 2021 • 31min
Psychedelics, psychosis, & the abuse potential of ketamine
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison talk about the relationship between psychedelics and psychosis and discuss the abuse potential of ketamine. They cover the following topics:(0:51) Should we be worried that psychedelics will cause or exacerbate psychosis? (4:00) Psychedelic research is getting more comfortable studying psychedelic treatment for certain psychotic conditions (5:00) Differing views on the nature and needs of a psychotic episode from an ayahuasca ceremony (7:25) Ketamine treatment for dissociative identity disorder (9:38) More research is needed so that we can adeptly apply appropriate psychedelic therapy protocols for serious mental illness.(10:20) The entropic brain theory of mental illness (13:50) The abuse potential of ketamine(16:22) Is ketamine addictive? (19:17) Is ketamine ANTI-addictive? (22:35) The 3 pillars of ketamine treatment(24:30) Is ketamine safe for long-term use?Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Aug 10, 2021 • 36min
Consciousness, meaning, and the search for self
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer, Dr. Reid Robison, and Vhari Macbeth, CSW, discuss the concept of the self, multiple "selves", and how we work with "selfhood" in psychedelic medicine. They cover the following topics:(1:50) The hosts talk about their personal quests for meaning and selfhood (4:10) Self-awareness from an evolutionary perspective (6:00) The fear associated with loss of or disconnection from sense of self(6:31) Similarities and differences between psychosis and psychedelic experience(7:41) How a "death" experience can lead to insight and self-awareness (8:30 Separate selves vs. oneness and unity(11:59) After the Ecstasy, The Laundry, by Jack Kornfield (14:44) Psychedelics as initiation tools to get you on the path of self-understanding (16:01) Is ego death required for a meaningful psychedelic experience?(17:00) Jamie Wheal (18:21) The Mystical Experience Questionnaire and the Emotional Breakthrough Inventory (21:00) Multiple "selves" (21:50) Internal Family Systems Your Symphony of Selves, by James Fadiman (30:44) Ram Dass and "shifting the game"Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/#novamind #mentalhealth #psychology #therapy #self #habits #selfcare #meaning #psychedelics #nmLearn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Aug 3, 2021 • 59min
Why do we self-sabotage?
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer, Vhari Macbeth, CSW, and Derick Moody, PA-C, explore the curious phenomenon of self-sabotage. They cover the following topics:(1:30) The various ways we are self-defeating(3:29) The inner healing intelligence and looking internally for answers(4:14) We aren't programmed for success, we're programmed for safety(8:22) Culture influences the hedonic avoidance of pain and pleasure seeking(9:40) How to "practice discomfort" to become more resilient(11:15) Self-sabotage and identity (18:40) Social influences on and aspects of self-sabotage(24:20) Secondary gain and unconscious forces (27:50) Gabor Mate, the relationship between pain and addiction, and self-compassion (29:18) How to build trust in yourself if you don't have it(34:38) The importance of practicing self-love and dealing with the inner critic (37:45) The relationship between values and wellbeing (40:19) David Goggins' book Can't Hurt Me and balance(48:30) Dr. Thayer's Instagram post of the comic about success (49:37) Living a full life instead of trying to be happy all the time(54:16) The Tools by Phil Stutz Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Jul 27, 2021 • 52min
The art and science of psychedelic trip-sitting
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Reid Robison, Dr. Steve Thayer, and Derick Moody, PA-C, discuss the art and science of psychedelic trip-sitting. They cover the following topics:(1:24) The distinctions between psychedelic trip-sitting, guiding, and harm reduction. (2:48) Zendo Project (10:20) When you would want a psychedelic guide vs. a trip-sitter(12:45) Skillset for psychedelic guides and trip-sitters(14:46) Holding space and co-regulation(19:08) The Huberman Lab Podcast (21:00) You don't have to be perfect to be a trip-sitter, therapist, or guide.(21:48) Should trip-sitters, therapists, or guides be required to experience altered states before acting in those roles?(26:34) Tim Ferriss's interview with Marcela Ot'Alora (29:22) Brene Brown on vulnerability (31:48) The importance of validating the experience of others and the principle of "through, not down." (34:30) Safe, supportive touch during a psychedelic experience(36:04) Facilitating the work of the inner healing intelligence (38:05) Handling "bad trips"(41:31) The importance of preparation for a psychedelic experienceLearn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Jul 20, 2021 • 23min
Shadow work, unconscious contracts, & unearned wisdom
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Reid Robison and Dr. Steve Thayer explore several aspects of the unconscious mind. They cover the following topics:(1:00) What is the unconscious mind?(2:01) The shadow and unconscious contracts(2:50) How a person's growth can be disruptive to those around them(6:15) Intergenerational trauma, healing, and work with ayahuasca(10:42) Consciousness is like a 3-layered cake (The Science of Enlightenment: Teachings and Meditations for Awakening Through Self-Investigation, by Shinzen Young)(12:15) Carl Jung - "Bewared of unearned wisdom"(13:45) Working with unconscious content from an attachment perspective(16:05) The inner critic(16:50) The 4 Agreements, by Don Miguel Ruiz(18:54) MAPS MDMA therapist manual(19:11) Internal Family Systems (IFS) psychotherapy methodLearn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Jul 13, 2021 • 13min
You have to feel it to heal it
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Reid Robison and Dr. Steve Thayer discuss the many facets of human emotion and how we work with it in psychotherapy. They cover the following topics:(1:14) What are feelings?(2:02) How emotions show up in the body.(2:43) Primary vs secondary emotions.(3:55) Are there bad emotions?(4:55) The repression of feelings.(5:15) Healthy expression of anger.(6:38) Emotional triggers are friends to follow.(8:00) When it's hysterical it's historical.(9:06) What to do when emotionally triggered. Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Jul 7, 2021 • 50min
Is the mystical experience necessary for psychedelic healing?
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Reid Robison, Dr. Steve Thayer, and Derick Moody, PA-C discuss whether or not the mystical experience caused by many psychedelic medicines is a necessary factor for the healing they promote. They cover the following topics:(1:10) Nature article about non-psychoactive psychedelics.(4:00) What do we mean by "mystical experience"?(10:07) The entropic brain theory of mental illness (chaos vs order).(12:40) How psychedelics help a mind that is either too chaotic or too controlled.(13:35) The mystical experience and stages of change.(15:00) Ketamine can help with depression without the mystical experience.(15:39) Why the mystical experience is important for psychological change.(20:00) How psychedelics help people connect to meaning.(21:40) What is consciousness?(23:00) Measuring the relationship between the mystical experience and mental health improvements.(23:58) Psychedelics mimic a near death experience and provide similar changes in perspective. (28:07) Psychedelics are both a neurological and phenomenological intervention.(33:37) Different psychedelic compounds cause different mystical experiences.(34:34) The challenging psychedelic experiences can be the most therapeutic. (36:33) The relationship between mystical experiences and changes in psychological traits.(40:30) The "true self" and mental health. (43:00) the utility of psychedelics that don't have the mystical experience. (45:00) Movies and the mystical experience. Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/