
Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers
The psychedelic renaissance is here! Join Dr. Steve Thayer, Dr. Reid Robison, and special guests as they explore the frontiers of psychedelic medicine and what it takes to cultivate a healthy mind, body, and spirit. Our hosts draw from their extensive knowledge and experience with psychedelic therapy research and treatment to discuss the science, practice, and art of psychedelic healing. If you are a helping professional, therapist, clinician, guide, healer, psychedelic enthusiast, or simply curious about mental, physical, and spiritual health, this is the podcast for you!
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Apr 5, 2022 • 1h 9min
Communication is everything!
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison have a conversation about communication. Clear, effective communication is so important in this episode we do our best to explore why. We talk about communication styles, how to navigate conflict, the power of deep listening, the difference between empathy and compassion, and so much more!(1:23) Introduction to the topic(4:11) Stories behind conflict and the Gottmans(6:54) Communication is everything and the many ways we communicate(9:49) The importance of listening(11:52) Empathy and compassion(20:40) Reflective listening and validation (24:07) Validating children to teach them resilience(28:30) Don't listen to the words, listen to the needs. (31:28) Cultural influences on communication(33:14) Communication styles (aggressive, passive, passive-aggressive, and assertive)(42:24) No More Mr. Nice Guy, by Robert Glover(42:33) Not Nice, by Aziz Gazipura(45:47) Communicating with yourself and "self-talk"(53:22) How to handle conflict and the 4 horseman of the apocalypse (01:00:15) Never Split the Difference, Chris Voss(01:01:28) Crucial Conversations book(01:01:55) Talking to Crazy, by Mark Goulston(01:03:26) Psychedelics effects on communication Email us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 29, 2022 • 1h 12min
Awakening, enlightenment, and self-actualization
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison explore the concept of psychological and spiritual awakening. Is awakening the same as enlightenment or self-actualization? Does it happen gradually or all at once? How does one know if and when you're enlightened? What role can psychedelic medicine play in the process of awakening or enlightenment? We discuss these questions and so much more in today’s episode:(1:54) Are awakening and enlightenment the same thing? (3:22) Sam Harris(5:29) Effective altruism (6:25) The illusion of self and looking for the looker(12:42) Becoming awake to many things vs THE awakening (14:10) Joseph Goldstein, imperfect gurus, and balance (19:46) Psychedelic experiences and awakening(21:53) Attachments and other obstacles to awakening(25:50) Waking up to shame, fear, and your internal parts (Dick Schwartz)(31:08) Teachings about enlightenment from various religions and ideologies (34:15) Non-separation, the best and worst of humanity, and loving awareness(38:23) The difference between doing and being(40:37) Ayahuasca and ketamine experiences(44:58) Sexual awakening and the body as a vehicle to enlightenment (49:10) Abraham Maslow, self-actualization, and Transcend, by Scott Barry Kaufman(54:21) Getting stuck in the healing process(57:18) The value of ceremony and ritual in the healing process(01:04:09) Stages to enlightenment (01:06:11) Wake Up Now, by Stephan Bodian(01:07:19) After the Ecstasy, the Laundry, by Jack Kornfield(01:07:52) Awareness, by Anthony De Mello(01:07:56) Letting Go, by David R. Hawkins(01:08:16) The Power of Now, by Eckhart Tolle(01:08:31) No Bad Parts, by Richard SchwartzEmail us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 22, 2022 • 1h 12min
Microbiome, gut-brain connection, & mental health with Dr. Amy de la Garza
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined for the second time on the show by Dr. Amy de la Garza to talk about the gut microbiome and the gut-brain connection. Amy is a board-certified family practice physician who provides specialized care for patients with behavioral health and SUD diagnoses. She uses an integrative approach sometimes called “lifestyle medicine”, which addresses nutrition, movement, sleep, stress management and social connection. Amy is also the Medical Director of the Novamind Salt Lake City, UT clinic. They discuss the following topics:(1:30) Introduction to topic(3:00) What is the gut microbiome? (5:16) Can mental illness be attributed to problems with the gut microbiome? (6:10) Studies about probiotic use and depression(8:30) The gut's affect on the HPA axis(9:55) "Leaky gut" or gut hyperpermeability and auto immune conditions(14:50) How the gut interacts with the vagus nerve(20:00) Neurotransmitter production in the gut(24:45) Short chain fatty acids(26:12) Bacterial endotoxemia, inflammation, and oxidation(28:17) Microbiome and weight management(28:55) Unocking the Keto Code, by Steven Gundry(30:39) The dark side of diet culture(32:50) Why don't we all have a perfectly healthy gut microbiome?(33:33) Antibiotic overuse and the utility of probiotics (37:15) Food choices that influence the health of the gut microbiome(38:52) Trauma affects the microbiome (45:00) What can you do to improve gut health? (47:00) Stop drinking soda and start drinking water(50:45) Quality sleep(54:15) Adaptive responses to stress and our episode on triggers (56:11) Stress management and the gut(01:05:18) The healthcare profession is not conducive to healthEmail us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 15, 2022 • 59min
TRIGGERED! Now what?
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison explore how you can use those moments when you are triggered as opportunities for personal exploration, insight, and growth. They discuss the following topics:(1:35) Introduction to the topic(4:44) Why avoidance of triggers is not a useful strategy (8:50) What is spiritual bypassing?(10:48) The Science of Enlightenment, by Shinzen Young(13:12) Triggers show us the work we need to do(14:45) Triggers and meditation (17:37) Trigger warnings(21:21) Sometimes you need to retreat from triggers(22:30) Habitual responses to triggers(23:00) Atomic Habits, by James Clear(23:02) The Power of Habit, by Charles Duhigg (27:08) Cold plunging (30:43) Transference, defense mechanisms, and projection(34:03) Compassionate inquiry by Gabor Mate(37:51) Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) and opposite action(41:08) Process of self-exploration (42:39) How to handle triggers in relationships(46:21) Physical pain(50:47) PTF: Hannah Cross, LCSW, on Sex, Tantra, Psychedelics, and making relationships work(51:02) Existential Kink, by Carolyn Elliott(53:20) The Obstacle is the Way, by Ryan Holiday(55:23) Don't be ashamed of your triggersEmail us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 8, 2022 • 1h 26min
What is ADHD and what can we do about it?
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison explore the causes of, symptoms of, and treatment options for ADHD. They discuss the following topics:(3:00) Introduction to the topic(5:47) What is ADHD? What are the symptoms?(8:38) Executive functioning and ADHD(11:02) Emotional dysregulation in ADHD(18:50) Thinking of ADHD on a spectrum of functioning(21:11) Pros and cons of the ADHD label(24:46) Possible causes of ADHD(27:13) The role that trauma plays in the development of ADHD(28:58) Differing manifestation of symptoms in boys vs girls(33:14) Outliers, by Malcom Gladwell(34:45) Sleep disruption and ADHD(39:00) What ADHD is NOT(40:50) Stimulants(42:30) The differences in attention problems with ADHD vs anxiety or depression (46:33) The strengths of ADHD(48:48) Mismatch between brain type and environment(50:25) Kelley Starrett and the importance of movement for learning(56:13) Ecstatic dance(59:19) Treatments for ADHD (01:22:37) Dr. Russell Barkely(01:22:53) ADHD Alien comic(01:23:09) How to ADHD YouTube channel (01:24:03) Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (CHADD)(01:24:15) Attention Deficit Disorder Association (ADDA)Email us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 1, 2022 • 52min
Hannah Cross, LCSW, on Sex, Tantra, Psychedelics, and making relationships work
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined for the third time on the show by Hannah Cross to discuss sex, tantra, psychedelics, and making relationships work. Hannah is a licensed clinical social worker, expert therapist, reiki master, yoga teacher, ecstatic dance facilitator, and super cool. They discuss the following topics:(1:45) Introduction to the topic(2:58) What is tantra? (5:30) Reserving and channeling sexual energy and "no fap"(9:57) Non-monogamy and polyamory (13:03) David Deida(15:34) Relationship to self and synchronizing your life with a partner (18:15) Aubrey Marcus and his polyamorous phase(21:07) The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships, by Neil Strauss(21:42) The Ethical Slut, by Janet Hardy and Dossie Easton(21:54) Come as you are, by Emily Nagoski(21:55) Esther Perel's books (22:01) Sex at Dawn, by Christopher Ryan(23:10) Navigating the challenges of romanticism (24:15) Steve reflects on his marriage(25:49) Divorce, break-ups, and conscious uncoupling (27:38) Grow As We Go, by Ben Platt(28:04) The "soul" of a relationship (31:00) Polarizing energies in a relationship (feminine and masculine, yin and yang)(37:40) Kink and BDSM(38:52) Existential Kink, by Carolyn Elliott(41:35) Sex, Love, and Goop on Netflix(45:00) The power of sensuality(46:16) Embodiment (47:10) Journeys of Embodiment at the Intersection of Body and Culture, by Niva PiranEmail us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Feb 22, 2022 • 48min
Dr. Erica Baiden on the need for diversity, equity, and inclusion in psychedelic medicine
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Dr. Erica Baiden, MD. Erica is a family medicine physician who is passionate about providing evidence-based care using an integrative, patient-centered approach. They explore issues related to diversity, equity, representation, and inclusion in mental healthcare broadly and in psychedelic medicine specifically. They discuss the following topics:(2:36) Erica introduces herself(4:32) Serving underserved populations and the need for diverse representation among medical/mental healthcare professionals(5:30) How Erica developed her passion for safe, compassionate, humane, and destigmatizing healthcare (10:25) How do we decide what to pathologize and being sensitive to neurodiversity (13:13) Educating clinicians in cultural competence(15:34) Generational differences in cultural sensitivity and mental health stigma (18:16) Erica's medical practice philosophy (19:39) Your Symphony of Selves, by James Fadiman(20:49) BIPOC history of medicinal, spiritual, and ceremonial use of psychedelics (24:00) Should we change the name "psychedelic" to something that better represents what these substances do?(25:25) Dr. Carl Hart and the war on drugs(26:37) The importance of representation among psychedelic therapy facilitators(30:17) Being Black: Zen and the Art of Living with Fearlessness and Grace, by Angel Kyodo Williams(33:06) The People of Color Psychedelic Collective (POCPC)(33:09) Psychedelic Liberation Collective(33:25) Maria Sabina(34:18) Fireside Project(34:23) The Ancestor Project(34:26) Women on Psychedelics(37:00) The potential professional risks of working in the psychedelic medicine space(39:01) Claudio Naranjo(42:50) Diversity and representation in clinical trials Email us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Feb 15, 2022 • 1h 22min
Kyle Buller from Psychedelics Today on NDEs, breathwork, & training psychedelic therapists
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Kyle Buller from Psychedelics Today. Kyle is a mental health counselor, transpersonal breathwork instructor, and psychedelic therapy educator. Co-founded by Kyle and Joe Moore, Psychedelics Today is an education platform committed to exploring and discussing the field of psychedelics and non-ordinary states of consciousness. They discuss the following topics:(1:47) Introductions and how Kyle got interested in transpersonal psychology(3:32) Kyle's near-death experience (9:16) DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences, by Rick Strassman(9:58) Similarities between NDEs and psychedelic experiences (14:15) Psychedelic compounds without the psychedelic experience(16:06) What is transpersonal psychology? (17:45) Dr. Stan Grof and trusting the process(23:35) When should a therapist intervene in the process?(26:28) Appropriate therapeutic touch in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy (KAP)(27:58) To Redeem One Person Is to Redeem the World: The Life of Frieda Fromm-Reichmann, by Gail Hornstein(33:05) The origins of Psychedelics Today(39:44) Breathwork and psychedelics(42:02) Pros and cons of at-home ketamine treatments(45:48) Rebirthing process in breathwork(51:56) What is a "spiritual emergency"?(59:23) How to support someone with integration of a transformative experience?(1:05:53) Vital psychedelic therapy training program from Psychedelics Today(1:09:04) What might be required to become a certified psychedelic therapist?Email us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Feb 8, 2022 • 52min
Cultivating stillness in a chaotic world
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison explore what it takes to cultivate stillness in our chaotic modern world. They discuss the following topics:(1:12) Blaise Pascal and the challenge of being alone with oneself (7:32) Bad habits, the monkey mind, and cognitive-behavioral therapy(10:54) Be Here Now, by Ram Dass(10:55) The Power of Now, by Eckhart Tolle(12:00) Yoga Sutras of Patanjali(14:47) Meditation research on open vs focused practices(16:59) Waking Up meditation app with Sam Harris(17:38) Staying present(20:50) Psychedelics and their effect on the default mode network(23:45) Flow states(24:30) The Art of Impossible, by Steven Kolter(30:43) Mindful eating(33:41) Urge surfing(39:12) Compassionate awareness (40:45) Journaling for introspection (41:30) Physical practices for cultivating presence (44:30) Integration of transcendent experiences Email us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Feb 1, 2022 • 1h 6min
Anger issues
Send us a textIn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison explore the the many facets of anger. They discuss the following topics:(1:44) Steve's story of coping with anger(7:47) What is the function of anger?(9:00) When the Body Says No, by Gabor Mate (10:13) The problem with being too "nice"(11:24) Emotions have a bodily felt sense(12:23) Bodily maps of emotions(13:13) Emotions are connected to an underlying need(14:39) Conditioning affects how we process emotions like anger(17:01) Primary, secondary, and instrumental emotions(26:55) Self-compassion in the face of the challenges of dealing with anger(27:53) Riding the waves of emotion(30:00) The two types of anger(32:05) Anger management(33:55) The ART of emotion processing(35:08) The corrective emotional experience afforded by MDMA-assisted psychotherapy (38:00) Healing trauma by addressing the entire nervous system(40:38) The 3 "As" of emotion processing(42:15) Validating emotions(45:05) Kristen Neff on self-compassion(47:40) Raising an Emotionally Intelligent Child, by John Gottman(50:33) Process of emotional self-exploration (53:33) Fundamental human needs and self-actualization/enlightenment (57:40) Ram Dass(59:45) Dealing with anger in others(1:00:02) Talking to Crazy, by Mark Goulston (1:00:25) Defense mechanisms against angerEmail us questions and feedback at psychfrontiers@novamind.ca Learn more about our podcast at https://www.psychedelictherapyfrontiers.com/Learn more about Novamind at https://www.novamind.ca/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/novamind_inc/Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/