
The Enneagram Journey
Using the wisdom of the Enneagram, and ongoing discussion and conversation, we will grow compassion for ourselves and others, as well as a better understanding for why we do what we do!
Latest episodes

May 15, 2025 • 1h 18min
Russ Hudson (5) - Holy Ideas, Cultural Parameters, What To Hold On To
Russ Hudson is back on the show, and is going to blow your mind!
The show starts with a little catching up, so we get to hear about some of Russ' travels, and we look forward to IEA Experience 2025 that features both Russ and Suzanne!
How has the Enneagram, or our understanding of the enneagram, evolved over the years?
Russ shares their 3 rules he and Don had when writing The Wisdom of The Enneagram
We're not just talking about the 3 Centers of Intelligence today, but also the 3 Body Centers
Holy Ideas, enneagram and creativity, and more
"You can't get to the Holy Ideas if you don't get landed in your body and heart."
- RH
To learn more about everything Russ has going on, visit russhudson.com !
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
TODAY'S INTRO
"Yakko's World" (Animaniacs, ep 2 - Warner Bros.)
Jerry Seinfeld while being interviewed on the red carpet by WUSA 9

May 8, 2025 • 1h 8min
Tori Hastings (5) - Vulnerability, 2nd Shift, Engaging
Meet Tori Hastings, enneagram 5!
As promised, we are definitely not going to talk about golf, and we are going to talk about somatic therapy, what we do when we get home from our day, what Tori's life looked like over the past 30 years in Alabama, and did Suzanne make a revision to the Centers of Intelligence?
"You don't achieve balance by pushing the top (center of intelligence) down. You achieve balance by pulling the bottom up." - SS
"I don't do much of anything in real time..." - TH
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
TODAY'S INTRO
South Park (Comedy Central: s14, e2)
SNL (NBC: s23, e11)
SNL (NBC: s17, e7)

May 1, 2025 • 1h 16min
Katie Whitlock (3) - Deceit, Escaping to the Future, 9fold
Get your pen and paper ready, because this episode is FULL of incredible enneagram teaching from not one BUT TWO! enneagram teachers (and neither are Joel).
Katie Whitlock (3), yes, the daughter of The Enneagram Journey's own Sara Whitlock (2), joins Suzanne in this episode. Seriously, so much good wisdom in this one
Escaping to the future
What do you do when you're restless?
Balance
Doing Enneagram work, but identifying as the wrong number
Do you respond to strangers online?
Some input from Joey Schewee aka @enneagramparents
and more!
"Functional is not good enough. You should want more than functional." - KW
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
TODAY'S INTRO
The Departed (2006 Warner Bros.)
Laura Addis on TEJ Podcast
F.R.I.E.N.D.S (NBC, s3 e18)

Apr 22, 2025 • 1h 19min
Darnell (1) & Alex (8) Finale - Cohort, Excess, Indignation
Alex and Darnell are back to share their final thoughts and feelings about their experience in the 2024 Enneagram Cohort with Suzanne!
If this series of conversations with Darnell and Alex has raised your interest in the LTM Cohort program, we hope you will check it out and apply. Applications for the following year's Cohort program are accepted April 1 - September 1. You can get the dates, descriptions, expectations, and application at lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
Other Plugs
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
You can find out what the podcast is up to and other offerings from Life in the Trinity Ministry by visiting lifeinthetrinityministry.com.
TODAY'S INTRO
Des Bishop - Mindfulness
F.R.I.E.N.D.S. (NBC, S4 E23)
"Indignant" - The Definition Channel
Darnell Young on TEJ Podcast

Feb 18, 2025 • 1h 2min
Sara Whitlock (2) - Saying No, Feeling v Thinking
You've asked for more Enneagram Twos on the show, and here is a great start! Meet Sara Whitlock. Sara is a nurse practitioner from Ohio. Married to JD, an Enneagram 5, she and one of her daughters were both a part of the 2024 Enneagram Cohort with Suzanne (we'll get to hear from her daughter Katie in an upcoming episode!).
PLUG TIME
Great events coming up:
TheoEd Talks Nashville - February 23 in Nashville at Woolworth Theatre or Online
The Enneagram Journey Live - February 25 in Nashville at Beam Gallery
A Contemplative, Healing, Enneagram - February 28 and March 1 in Nashville at Woodmont Christian Church
Relationships and the Enneagram - March 7-8 in South Carolina at Bethel UMC
2025 IEA Global Conference - July 25-25 in Minneapolis
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp - SAVE THE DATE! August 7-9 in Dallas and Online
Today's Intro
The Breakup (2006, Universal Pictures)
Scrubs (S3, E5)
American Dad (S10, E8)

Jan 21, 2025 • 1h 29min
Laura Murray (4) - Home, Hospitality, Spiritual Practice
Happy 2025 to everyone on their Enneagram Journey! And even to those who haven't started yet. The first episode of the year is fantastic and features pastor, spiritual director, and author Laura Murray, Enneagram 4.
Laura is married to an Enneagram 5
The difference between Home and where you belong
Some surprising Enneagram Wing discussion with Suzanne
Spiritual Practices
Parenting and more
Below you will find the practice of Examen that Laura shared with us. You can also find a link for it in PDF format at theenneagramjourney.com in her episode. You can find out more about Laura and all the great things she is doing at laurabmurray.com.
In the introduction of this episode, you heard a lot of plugs!
TheoEd Nashville - Sunday, February 23 - theoed.com/nashville
A Contemplative, Healing, Enneagram - February 28, March 1 in Nashville - lifeinthetrinityministry.com/nashville
EnneaSummit 2025 featuring Suzanne and the Reverend - February 4-7 Online - CLICK HERE for information and registration
Relationships and the Enneagram - March 7-8, Charleston, South Carolina - lifeinthetrinityministry.com/charleston
Examen: A Spiritual Practice
The spiritual practice of examen is one of invitation. You are opening yourself up to both yourself and God. There is not a grade in examen, nor is there a grade in any other spiritual practice. Various questions can be helpful in the examen practice. Below is one way of practicing examen.
The hopes are awareness and attending
The practice requires permission and welcome
• The practice begins with permission. In examen, you give God permission to show you parts of yourself that are hidden or harder to see. You also welcome and allow parts of yourself to be seen by God and yourself.
• This is done by reflecting on and responding to a series of questions. As you do this awareness of those parts of you starts to emerge.
• Then, you permit God again to attend to what came up. Your work here is to
welcome what you can and allow God to attend to you.
• Repeat daily for 7-10 days, giving yourself time to notice and explore what you see.
Examen Questions:
What do I find myself grateful for today?
What am I grieving today?
Where do I sense God’s nearness to my grief?
Where do I sense God’s distance from my grief?
How has God been generous with me lately?
How is God calling me to be generous today?
Prayer:
After responding to these questions, allow God to attend to you through your
responses and what is coming up in you. Tell God thank you after a few minutes or however long you need.
visit laurabmurray.com to learn more!
TODAY's INTRO
Baby Come Back, Player (RSO, 1977)
John Wick (Summit Entertainment, 2014)
Without Me, Eminem (Shady-Aftermath, 2002)
Home, Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros (Rough Trade, 2010)
The Sandlot (20th Century Fox, 1993)

Nov 1, 2024 • 1h 10min
Jonathan Merritt (3) - Navigating Relationships, My Guncle and Me
Your Enneagram Godmother and an Enneagram Guncle got together for this INCREDIBLE conversation!
If you don't know Jonathan yet, Enneagram 3, this is a wonderful introduction.
"...othering the other that othered them."
It'll make more sense after you hear him talk about it!
Jonathan is a writer on faith and culture, the author of Learning To Speak God From Scratch, Jesus is Better Than You Imagined, My Guncle and Me and a few other great reads. You can find him on Instagram @jonathan_merritt and online at jonathanmerritt.com
PLUG TIME!
OOOOOHHHHHH, don't let this event sell out without you being a part of it:
A Contemplative, Healing, Enneagram with Rev. Joseph and Suzanne Stabile, and Hunter Mobley.
February 28 - March 1, 2025 in Nashville, TN
CLICK HERE FOR TICKETS or visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com/nashville
Today's INTRO
The Office (S3, E1)
Modern Family (S4, E21)
The Other Guys (Columbia Pictures 2010)

Oct 9, 2024 • 2h 25min
Br5aking The Cycle
Russ Hudson, an esteemed Enneagram teacher and co-author of "The Wisdom of the Enneagram," joins Senior Minister Andy Stoker for a deep dive into personal growth. They discuss the significance of Enneagram Triads and how our dominant centers of intelligence shape our experiences. The conversation highlights personal journeys through spiritual transitions, the transformative power of embracing discomfort, and the Enneagram's role in fostering community understanding. Listeners are encouraged to engage in meaningful spiritual practices while breaking cycles of emotional chaos.

Oct 2, 2024 • 1h 19min
October 2024 Q&A
Its Q&A time on The Enneagram Journey!
Suzanne and Joel sat down to record today's episode at The Micah Center and decided at the last moment to turn on the camera. Having the camera on contributed to the conversation about seeing a therapist and accountability, and the show just takes off from there.
Some of the things you'll here in this episode:
A question about a 7 and 5 relationship
this leads to some subtype talk
What needs to fall away when you go to therapy?
Enneagram 6s and Trust
Are 6s the most controlling personality?
A 4 and 5 parenting adult children
A great Chuck Knoblauch joke that Suzanne talked over
aaaaand more!
"Tell me what you want, and I'll tell you whether or not I can give it to you."
PLUG TIME
2025 is going to be the year that LTM gets around the country! Several stops already locked in: Arkansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Minnesota, Texas. And many more that are in the works!
Be sure and subscribe to the LTM newsletter to get the latest updates on these events and everything else podcast related, and LTM related. Visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com and you'll find the newsletter sign up on any page in the footer.
You've got Enneagram questions? We've got Enneagram responses! This is seriously Suzanne's favorite way to teach, so send your questions in at theenneagramjourney.com/contact
TODAY'S INTRO
Ben Folds, "Annie Waits" (2001, Rockin' The Suburbs)
Pete Holmes (Pete is the WORST Therapist)
Suzanne Stabile in today's show
Step Brothers (2008, Columbia Pictures)

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 31min
Darnell (1) and Alex (8) - Be Right or In Relationship?, Triggers, Enneagram Cohort
In this insightful discussion, Alex Reegan, an Enneagram type 8, and Darnell Young, an Enneagram type 1, explore thought-provoking topics about relationships and communication. They debate the significance of the term 'trigger' in today's dialogue. Should the goal be to be right or maintain a relationship? The conversation also touches on emotional vulnerability, personal identity reflected in tattoos, and navigating social dynamics. Listeners are inspired to reflect on their own experiences and consider future cohort opportunities!