
Command and Control
The Command and Control podcast breaks new ground in taking an independent and pragmatic look at what military command and control might look like for the fight tonight and the fight tomorrow. Join us as we talk through C2 for an era of high-end war fighting. The hypothesis is this: command is human, control has become more technological pronounced. As a result, the increasing availability of dynamic control measures is centralising control away from local command. It is a noticeable trend in Western C2 since the late 1980s. Over that time, blending human decision and cutting edge technology has been evolutionary but not deliberate: how will this change? Will it become dominated by a tendency to hoard power in those with the most computing power, might these factors serve to amplify the role of commanders? Given all the hyperbole about AI in C2 (and we will tackle some of that with AI experts), it's a conversation we need to have.
Latest episodes

Apr 13, 2025 • 40min
C2 and Peacekeeping
Peace keeping missions (whether peace enforcement, peace building, peace making, or conflict prevention) are very different to the formatted hierarchy and organisation of set-piece, large-scale military missions which Western allies have been accustomed to over the past decade. Even the experiences of ISAF or Iraq are outliers rather than a standardised format replicable across peace keeping tasks. This is also evident in the C2 of these missions: often more complex, ambiguous, woolly, and confusing than most military officers will be accustomed to. And that’s without bringing in a strategic HQ structure that has fewer staff and less experience than Western counterparts. Ewan Lawson, associate fellow at RUSI, talks through what characterises PK missions: his one-word answer? Fragmentation.

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Mar 3, 2025 • 42min
Professionals Talk Logistics
Steve Leonard, a seasoned military strategist and author, joins Jon Klug, an award-winning military history instructor, to discuss the critical role of logistics in warfare. They explore how protracted conflicts change command conversations about supply and resources, stressing the need for honest dialogue from logistical leaders. The conversation highlights the challenges of modern military logistics and the importance of adapting traditional strategies for contemporary warfare. Their new book delves into these essential principles, making logistics a vital focus for military professionals.

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Feb 10, 2025 • 34min
Ukrainian C2: Adaptation under fire
Join Mick Ryan, a retired Major General and esteemed military strategist, as he delves into the transformative restructuring of Ukrainian command and control. He stresses the vital need for skilled commanders amid evolving battlefield dynamics. Discover how lessons from the Ukrainian conflict are reshaping European military strategies and the significance of history in understanding military failures and successes. Mick also draws intriguing comparisons with Israeli military operations, highlighting their diverse command strategies.

Jan 27, 2025 • 29min
CIMIC and C2
Everyone understands that civil agencies and institutions do not operate in the same way as military organisations. The culture, aims, objectives, and funding models are different, as is the way they run activity. So when militaries and these agencies interact, a sense of friction and misunderstanding often emerges. A small group of military staff stand between the behemoths of civil and military leaders – the CIMIC staff; it is their understanding of both sets of cultures that smooths activity in the 97% of military activity that is not combat operations. Kathleen Porath, academic advisor at the NATO CIMIC COE, talks about areas for improvement, the impact of technology, and the investments needed to improve relationships for the future.

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Dec 23, 2024 • 46min
Nuclear Command and Control
It’s not a topic that is spoken about enough in the national security community: Nuclear Command and Control (NC2), and Communications (NC3) is a world apart from C2 for conventional forces: it underpins strategic stability between nuclear armed states. With the emergence of a ‘3-body problem’ in Great Power Competition, there is a risk that Western leaders (political and military) simply try and transpose Cold War theories onto the problems of today, and add some AI/ML to make it look pretty. Professor Andrew Reddie from the Berkeley Goldman School at the University of California, explains why this would be foolhardy in a remarkably accessible way. That’s not easy given the emotion, biases, and vitriol that surround any discussion on NC2/NC3.

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Nov 25, 2024 • 36min
C2, MDO and Synchronisation
Meitta Groeneveld, commanding officer of the NATO C2 Centre of Excellence, shares insights from the recent conference in The Hague. The discussion traverses the complexities of multi-domain operations and the critical need for synchronization between military and civilian actions. Groeneveld emphasizes the importance of reevaluating command and control systems in light of lessons learned from Ukraine. The podcast also highlights the significance of trust and collaborative innovation in adapting military strategies to evolving threats.

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Oct 21, 2024 • 44min
Horrid Bosses
Guest William Scott Jackson, a Professor at Oxford University and a leading expert in leadership and succession management, shares fascinating insights on handling poor leadership in the military. He discusses how not all bad bosses are toxic, emphasizing the need for effective succession planning and decision-making strategies. Jackson explores the importance of thinking time, differentiated capability theory, and the Blue Ocean Strategy as solutions for leadership challenges. He also links workplace happiness to performance, suggesting that a supportive environment is crucial for success.

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Sep 23, 2024 • 36min
Synchronisation as Coupling
Sean Welch, a seasoned US Marine with rich combat experience and expertise in military strategy, dives deep into the concept of 'coupling' in military operations. He contrasts traditional command philosophies with modern demands, emphasizing the balance between control and creative initiative. Welch also discusses the challenges of decision-making in a tech-driven military landscape, advocating for human intuition amidst data overload. He critiques rigid command structures and highlights the importance of adapting strategies to effectively engage with adversarial capabilities in complex scenarios like Ukraine.

Aug 12, 2024 • 44min
Submarine Command and Control
Imagine sitting on a battlefield and trying to figure out what is happening with only your ears to guide you; your guidance is based on orders written weeks or months ago, and the last time you got an update of where your own forces where was a day old (at best). That, in essence, is submarine warfare. There is no constant information flow for situational awareness and communication (of any kind) endangers your existence; so submarine commanders are required to make decisions based on a series of assumptions about a myriad of variables and use their experience, judgement, advice from their team, and a deep understanding of their adversary. Building people who can do this – so different to most other warfare experiences – requires a special process: The Perisher. Peter talks to Phil Titterton about command and control of submarines, his experiences in the Royal Navy’s submarine service, and about waterspace management (submarine control measures). Now you can open your eyes.

Jul 15, 2024 • 35min
The Civ/Mil part from a NATO SecGen
Former NATO Sec Gen Jaap de Hoop Scheffer talks about what it takes to make effective command relationships work at the highest level of Pol/Mil C2: the tensions between domestic agendas and international obligations, decision-making in NATO, and how to achieve coherence and agreement in matters of war. The conclusion, perhaps unsurprisingly, is that the level of co-operation between politicians and their military counterparts is not something that can be scripted or forced: it depends more on personalities, behaviours, and shared interests than on orders and formal hierarchies. Reflecting on successes and failures, Jaap makes for compelling listening.
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