

Making It Awkward
Jessica Wilson, MS RD
What's going on with health and food policy right now? Each week dietitian and author Jessica Wilson shares her conversations with experts in their field or on their farm and figures out how we got here and why. Jessica has followed the ultra-processed food hysteria to trad wife pipeline and the direct path from COVID conspiracies to RFK Jr to the current administration.
From her conversation with the Make America Healthy Again spokesperson to the Oregon beef farmer this podcast connects it all. Listen each week as she brings something new to the conversation and at times makes it awkward.
From her conversation with the Make America Healthy Again spokesperson to the Oregon beef farmer this podcast connects it all. Listen each week as she brings something new to the conversation and at times makes it awkward.
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May 22, 2025 • 1h 18min
Pronatalism, Eugenics, Fertility and Climate Justice with Dr. Eoin Flaherty
The Trump administration has talked about using awards, scholarships and cash as incentives to have more children. People see Elon as a leader in pronatalism conversations. Dr. Eoin Flaherty is back on the show to connect the dots between population control, pronatalism, and the environment. Eoin talks with Jessica about the Better Baby fairs of the 1900s and the two talk about how race is the underpinning of pronatalism even if no one speaks about it directly. The two talk about fertility hysteria, and the difference between fertility rates and birth rates. Eoin shares what research is next for him, and Jessica thinks that he might get the attention of Make America Healthy Again evangelists. Eoin on YouTube Some mentions from the episode: Alison Pill's episode Dr Paul Saladino AKA Captain Cotton Underpants Adriana Smith Timeline of Ireland abortion laws Maternal death rates in the US Dr. Harvey Kellogg RELATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO RACE DEGENERACY Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can buy awkward merch! You can become a Patreon member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson

May 1, 2025 • 52min
100 Days of Hellth and the MAHA Commission with Meghan Cichy, MPH, RDN and Selena Salfen, MPH, RDN
It's been 100 days of Hellth in America and boy do we need a vacation. This week Jessica is joined by dietitians Meghan Cichy and Selena Salfen to discuss what has happened in public health this year, and break down the MAHA Commission. They talk through what RFK Jr. and MAHA have been up to and how it will impact childhood nutrition. Jessica asks Selena and Meghan what happened to "childhood obesity." Jessica starts the episode with some brief nutrition policy updates. Dad is back to read a couple of reviews. Dr. Kevin Hall's resignation on X and in NYT The end of milk safety Food dyes The International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA) announced Healthy Dairy in Schools Commitment $660M lost for school lunches MAHA Commission and the fact sheet Hurdles for SNAP use School Nutrition Association position paper Food Resource and Action Center Let's Eat; Be Real Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can buy awkward merch! You can become a Patreon member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review and share with a friend! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Apr 24, 2025 • 49min
Beef Tallow and the Ethics of Colostrum Supplements with Dr. Sarah Dougherty and Trampus Harmon
How do we get beef tallow and is it actually less processed than seed oils? And if companies are using colostrum for their supplements, are they taking it away from baby cows? Dr. Sarah Dougherty and Beef farmer Trampus Harmon return to the show for a spirited conversation about the renaissance of cow byproducts. Trampus explains how he makes tallow at home and discusses market trends for cow byproducts. Jessica shares the claims made by Bloom and Armra about how they source their colostrum and Sarah explains all that would need to go into a colostrum supplement if we were going to be sure it was ethical. They end their conversation by discussing collagen and whether it's worth the hype. Collagen claims, and research Birkocorp tallow processing Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can buy awkward merch! You can become a Patreon member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review and share with a friend! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Apr 17, 2025 • 47min
5G, Conspiracies and the Post-Truth Era with Dr. Eoin Flaherty of Maynooth University
Have you wondered how 5G conspiracies developed or what makes some people more vulnerable to conspiracy theories? Today Jessica talks with Dr. Eoin Flaherty, assistant professor at Maynooth University to find the answers to these questions and many others. The two talk about conspiracism and the post-truth era in which we're living. Dr. Flaherty explains 5G and why some people believe it's dangerous. The two talk about Wi-Fi and 5G-free chicken, RFK Jr., how conspiracies generate and spread and Jessica asks him if she could be the next one to spread a theory of her own. Jessica came to his work via the article "The conspiracy of Covid-19 and 5G: Spatial analysis fallacies in the age of data democratization", which he co-authored. NBC: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. falsely claims measles vaccine protection 'wanes very quickly' Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can buy awkward merch! You can become a Patreon member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review and share with a friend! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Apr 10, 2025 • 1h 2min
Re-release! Making America Healthy Again; Part 2
Re-release Making America Healthy Again Part 2! Original air date: 10/31/24. Jessica talks with three guests for their reflections on her interview with Jeff Hutt, spokesperson for the Make America Healthy Again PAC and shares email feedback from a listener and her 18 year old daughter. Medical sociologist Dr. Natalie Ingraham joins the show to talk about the people part of MAHA and the concept of "again." Jessica discusses the interviews of Calley Means and Charlie Kirk that she dove into. Natalie talks about the regulations of the 80s versus 90s and has some solutions we could try if we're interested in future changes. Jessica then talks to Kent Thomas about the men of it all in the MAHA conversation, and he asks Jessica why she's looking into MAHA in the first place. Lastly Jessica brings you a conversation with her dad about his reflections of the episode. That chat was wide ranging and opened up many future podcast episodes. Video of Charlie Kirk in the episode TIME article referenced You can watch this episode on Spotify and YouTube You can join the podcast Pay-tree-On! You can leave an awkward rating and review of this show! You can email the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow Jessica on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson Jessica's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Apr 4, 2025 • 1h
Great British Bake-Off's Mike Wilkins on Farming and Queer Life in the UK
Great British Bake-Off alum Mike Wilkins joins the show to talk about farming and queerness in the UK! He is a fourth -generation farmer, working alongside his family on their farm, Nolands. He has a weekly Instagram series about what he's been up to on the farm and it's an absolute joy to watch. In this episode Jessica and Mike chat about the intersections among farming, queerness and mental health. A note that this episode talks about farmers' contemplating ending their own lives to save their farms. Mike is an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community within farming, and was an ambassador for the National Farmers Union in 2022. Mike and Jessica also talk about the farm inheritance tax in the UK. Mike competed in the 15th season of The Great British Bake-Off, and having done so will now be making his own wedding cake. Mike's baking style is both homely and wholesome. He likes making big, hearty bakes using high-quality local ingredients that can satisfy lots of people at parties and gatherings. He especially loves using seasonal fruits and edible flowers from his garden and farm. Mike also answers Jessica's burning question: Is Alison Hammond as delightful as she seems? Nolands livestock Nolands arable Shop Nolands Alison Hammond's book You can buy Making it Awkward merch! You can become a Patreon member! You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review and share with a friend!You can buy Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Mar 27, 2025 • 45min
Crack, Cheetos & Cigarettes; Soda Taxes Pt. 2 with Blake Flaugher MPH and Raeann Bowlds MPH
Soda taxes take 2. Jesica is joined by Raeann Bowlds, MPH and Blake Flaugher, MPH to discuss Dr. Kelly Brownell's claims that crack, soda, Cheetos, and baby formula do the same things in our brains and our bodies. The three talk about tobacco and soda taxes to see if the two are the same, and what Berkeley CA has done (or hasn't done) with its soda tax revenue. Jessica asked Blake and Raeann to teach her about public health because she couldn't understand it if the steps to make healthy food a human right were addressing predatory marketing and adding labels to food. The three enjoy a conversation over adult beverages, with which they can live in harmony. Berkeley Commission $929,000 spent by Berkeley for it's soda tax campaign Dr. Kelly Brownell Philadelphia soda taxes Seattle soda taxes Places with soda taxes Sugar taxes reduce consumption You can buy awkward merch! You can become a Patreon member! You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review and share with a friend! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jessica-wilson-ms-rd/its-always-been-ours/9780306827693/

Mar 13, 2025 • 42min
Share Diabetes with Maria? Soda Taxes Pt 1 with Dr. Kelly Brownell
Jessica Wilson, MS RD is joined by Dr. Kelly Brownell, Director Emeritus of the World Food Policy Center at Duke University. The two talk about soda taxes, food systems, policy, and marketing. Jessica asks Dr. Brownell about the Duke World Food Policy Center's Identifying and Countering White Supremacy Culture in Food Systems report. And to wrap up, Dr. Brownell shares how he thinks we achieve healthy food as a human right. The show wants your feedback on this episode for Part 2! You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com ShopRite in Philadelphia Berkeley soda taxes Taxes in other countries World Food Policy Center's info on soda taxes You can buy awkward merch! Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review! Jessica's dad will read reviews and comments on the show! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Mar 6, 2025 • 52min
Re-Grifting: Dr. Andrew Huberman's Long Con with Tessa Rapaczynski
Jessica Wilson is joined by author Tessa Rapaczynski for the next episode in the re-grifting series. Tessa's article for Medium titled "The Long Con and dirty dong of Andrew Huberman, PhD" immediately caught my eye. Today's episode is their conversation about the evolution of Huberman and his path from nerdy professor who didn't leave his lab to podcast bro with 7.3 million followers and multiple identities. The two discuss Tessa's initial connection to Huberman and his work and the evolution of Wellness spaces to use words like "optimization." The two also reference the Mar. 25, 2024,New Yorker article by Kerry Howley titled: "Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control; The private and public seductions of the world's biggest pop neuroscientist." Links mentioned: https://www.instagram.com/p/DFVtQ3MSVgn/?hl=en https://www.instagram.com/p/DGoFgqCPr85/?hl=en McGill article You can buy awkward merch! You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow dietitian Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review! Jessica's dad will read reviews and comments on the air! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies

Feb 28, 2025 • 41min
Bonus: Eating Disorder Awareness Week x Black History Month: Me Little Me Returns
Eating disorder awareness week is this week and it falls during Black History Month. Tigress Osborn, Dr. Whitney Trotter, Angela Goens and Elizabeth Ayiku return to the pod to talk about these intersections and Elizabeth's film Me Little Me. Elizabeth first talked about the film on the pod 11/7/24. They chat about their thoughts on the film, how it's been received at festivals and by the eating disorder field at large. They end by discussing how folks can support this important film! You can buy awkward merch! You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow dietitian Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byjessicawilson You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod How to support this podcast? Follow/subscribe, rate and review! Jessica's dad will read reviews and comments on the air! Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies


