
The Phil Bak Podcast
The Phil Bak Podcast takes you deep into the worlds of economics, investing and entrepreneurship as Phil talks to the innovators who challenge conventional thinking and exploring the narratives that are driving market moves.
Latest episodes

May 14, 2024 • 54min
Ben Hunt: Epsilon Theory Part Four
Phil is joined by friend of the show Ben Hunt for his fourth appearance on the podcast. Ben Hunt holds a PhD in Political Science from Harvard University, is the co-founder and CIO of Epsilon Theory, and co-founder of Second Foundation Partners. Ben and Phil discuss narratives driving flows in markets, the incentivization of risk-taking by financial and government institutions, and the issues that have arisen within American academia over the past several years.

Apr 25, 2024 • 55min
Richard Adler: Reflecting on REITs
Richard Adler was a co-founder and former Managing Director of EII Capital Management, an investment advisory firm for over 38 years managing REIT portfolios beginning in 1986. He has sat on the advisory board of Armada since its founding, and is a storied entrepreneur and business leader. Richard joins Phil to discuss REITs, investment, and reflect on his career spanning over 4 decades.

Apr 18, 2024 • 53min
Cliff Asness: The Cliff Factor
Cliff Asness, founder and chief investment officer at AQR Capital Management, dives into the volatile current market landscape. He analyzes the rise of index funds and market concentration, questioning the sustainability of traditional investing strategies. Cliff breaks down stock valuation complexities, discussing anomalies, risk, and price dynamics between small and large caps. He also shares insights on private equity’s evolving perceptions and emphasizes the significance of transparent communication in finance, alongside anecdotes that intertwine humor with serious market analysis.

Apr 11, 2024 • 39min
Michael Antonelli: Good Vibes & Bull Vibes
Market strategist Michael Antonelli shares insights on navigating uncertainty with confidence, simplifying financial language for effective communication, spreading positivity during the COVID crisis, and exploring the benefits of maintaining a bullish outlook in finance.

Mar 26, 2024 • 40min
Jared Dillian: Hungry Like A Wolf
Jared Dillian, author and investment strategist, joins the Phil Bak podcast. He is the author of books such as No Worries: How to live a stress-free financial life, and Street Freak: A Memoir of Money and Madness. Jared and Phil discuss financial freedom, hard work, rules for success, and taking control over your financial outcomes.

Mar 12, 2024 • 46min
Michael Green: Broken Markets
Portfolio Manager and Chief Strategist at Simplify Asset Management, Michael Green, explores the hazards of over-emphasizing indexing and passive investment, discussing reduced rewards for fundamental analysis and market dynamics. The podcast delves into challenges faced by investors, the impact of meme stocks on index funds, rising interest rates, and Simplify Asset Management's unique ETF strategies.

Mar 4, 2024 • 50min
Rob Simone: A Big Short REIT
Phil Bak sits down with Rob Simone, managing director of Hedgeye Risk Management. Rob has over 15 years of corporate equity research within the REIT sector. Rob joins Phil today to discuss his famous short call on Medical Properties Trust.

Jan 25, 2024 • 57min
Randall Zisler: The Mythology of Real Estate
Randall Zisler, co-founder of Zisler Capital Associates and respected academic on real estate, shares insights on real estate valuations, REITs, public vs private investments, debunking real estate myths, risk management, building alpha with AI, and personal values in this entertaining podcast.

Sep 17, 2023 • 1h 1min
Meb Faber: Masterclass In Real Estate
In this reposted podcast, Phil sits down with Meb Faber and explains his mission and strategy in the real estate space. This conversation is the "why" behind what Phil does on the day to day, trying to create unique value within the real estate investment market. This episode is censored when Phil or Meb directly mention particular funds by name.

Aug 16, 2023 • 41min
Shana Orczyk Sissel: Queen of Alts
Phil sits down with Shana Sissel to discuss her journey founding Banrion Capital and her alternative investment strategy.