
Changelog & Friends
A weekend talk show with the best conference hallway track vibes
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Jun 27, 2025 • 1h 36min
Let's build something phoenix.new
Our old friend Chris McCord, creator of Elixir’s Phoenix framework, tells us all about his new remote AI runtime for building Phoenix apps. Along the way, we vibe code one of my silly app ideas, calculate all the money we’re going to spend on these tools, and get existential about what it all means.
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Featuring:Chris McCord – Website, GitHub, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Phoenix.new
Bolt.new
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Jun 27, 2025 • 1h 11min
Selling mountain bikes all over the planet
Jeff Cayley joins Adam to talk about selling mountain bikes all over the planet and making some of the best outdoor and mountain bike gear, parts, and accessories you can buy. They have a killer YouTube channel as well.
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Featuring:Jeff Cayley – WebsiteAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Video: Yeti Cycles Factory Tour
Video: Revel Bikes Factory Tour
Yeti Cycles
Revel Bikes
Worldwide Cyclery
KETL Mtn Apparel
Trail One Components
Bad Birdie Golf Apparel
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h 30min
Just on the rocks
Two friends share their humorous take on experimenting with spirits, particularly their mutual disdain for gin. They dive into the spirits industry, recounting funny stories while sipping drinks. The conversation shifts to the intersection of technology and automation, discussing AI tools and the challenges of build processes. They reflect on human connection amidst growing automation, using the reality show 'Alone' as a backdrop. Finally, excitement builds for an upcoming live event in Denver, with hints about special guests and surprises.

Jun 13, 2025 • 2h 7min
Saltiness about frostiness
Justin Searls joins Jerod in Apple’s WWDC wake for hot takes about frosty UIs. We go (almost) point-by-point through the keynote, dissecting and reacting along the way. Concentricity!
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Featuring:Justin Searls – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Apple WWDC 2025 Keynote
These 4 Code Snippets won WWDC
Apple to Let iPhone Users Watch Videos on CarPlay Screen While Parked
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

32 snips
Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 34min
Adventures in babysitting coding agents
Join software engineer and author Steve Yegge as he shares his insights on the future of coding. He argues that the traditional IDE is obsolete and explains why managing AI coding agents is more engaging than traditional programming. Discover the rise of 'vibe coding' and how it's revolutionizing the workforce, particularly for junior engineers and non-coders. Steve also discusses the societal impacts of AI integration in software development and offers practical tips on navigating this new landscape.

May 31, 2025 • 1h 28min
wsl.exe -- cat hello.cs
We bring you back to Microsoft Build 2025 to nerd out with Craig Loewen on Windows Subsystem for Linux and Mads Torgersen on leading the design of C#.
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Depot – 10x faster builds? Yes please. Build faster. Waste less time. Accelerate Docker image builds, and GitHub Actions workflows. Easily integrate with your existing CI provider and dev workflows to save hours of build time.
Featuring:Craig Loewen – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XMads Torgersen – GitHub, LinkedInJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source
“Backslashes are Trash” by Mat Ryer on YouTube
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

23 snips
May 23, 2025 • 1h 8min
Dull, dirty or dangerous
Join Scott Hanselman, VP of Developer Community at Microsoft and a passionate advocate for open source, as he shares insights from Microsoft Build 2025. Explore the evolution of open source at Microsoft and innovative build acceleration tools. Scott discusses the creative thrill of building arcade cabinets and the balance between AI integration in daily life. Delve into the strengths of Windows vs. Mac, and discover personal stories showcasing how technology impacts health management and mentorship. Get inspired by Scott's journey and vision for community engagement!

May 16, 2025 • 1h 44min
#define: I'm going pants
Welcome back to #define, our game of obscure jargon, fake definitions, and expert tomfoolery. We’ve gathered some awesome friends, new and old, to see who has the best vocabulary and who can trick the everyone else into thinking that they do.
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Featuring:Angelica Hill – GitHub, LinkedIn, XMatthew Sanabria – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJohn Henry Müller – Website, LinkedIn, BlueskyBreakmaster Cylinder – Website, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
He Who Gets Slapped (1924)
He Who Gets Changelog Beats (2025)
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

May 9, 2025 • 1h 42min
Kaizen! Tip of the Pipely
Gerhard Lazu is a developer focused on turning Jerod’s ambitious vision of Pipely into reality. In their chat, they tackle the hilarious hiccups of launching a new project amid connectivity woes. They dive into the complexities of website performance testing and CDN challenges, offering insights on deployment issues and scaling server operations. The discussion reveals strategies for optimizing user experiences and the excitement surrounding their upcoming Kaizen launch party in Denver, leaving everyone eager for the next milestone.

May 2, 2025 • 1h 40min
When life gives you LLMs...
Zeno Rocha, an engineer and co-founder of Resend, joins the conversation to dive deep into the peculiarities of email etiquette and the challenges of email design across platforms. He passionately discusses the emerging landscape of AI SEO and the potential pitfalls of language models, emphasizing the importance of authenticity in technology. Zeno also explores the innovative features of the newly introduced SLATE Auto, a modular electric pickup truck, and its impact on the future of personal vehicles.