
The Derivative
Welcome to The Derivative by RCM Alternatives, where we dive into what makes alternative investments go, analyze the strategies of unique hedge fund managers, and chat with interesting guests from across the investment world. Hosted by RCM Managing Partner, Jeff Malec, join us to take a ride through the world of alternative investments.
Latest episodes

Jun 26, 2024 • 1h 5min
Carry On: Demystifying the Carry Trade with Rodrigo Gordillo & Adam Butler of ReSolve
We’re back! Today’s podcast features The Derivative show stoppers Rodrigo Gordillo and Adam Butler of Resolve Asset Management discussing the carry trade and its
applications in investment strategies. They begin by explaining what the carry trade is and discussing common misconceptions around it. They then dive into different types of carry that can be found in various asset classes like bonds, commodities, currencies, and equities. The guests discuss how carry strategies can be implemented, either on their own or as part of a larger multi-strategy
portfolio. They also compare carry to trend following strategies and debate the pros and cons of each approach. The podcast explores how a diversified carry
factor can provide returns with reduced risk when combined with other strategies. Rodrigo and Adam explain how carry fits into their risk parity framework and can be used to tilt allocations. They also discuss integrating carry and trend signals to lower trading costs. Gear up to receive that spoonful of sugar that indeed will make the medicine go down with tons of insight and access to some great content as an investment factor and
perspectives on its role in multi-asset portfolios.
Chapters:
00:00-01:31= Intro
01:32-10:31= What’s a carry trade?
10:32-20:34= Types of carry in different asset classes & Implementing strategies
20:35-33:11= Carry vs Trend & portfolio applications of carry
33:12-49:05= Combining carry & trend: How does it fit together?
49:06-01:04:54= Why Carry? The future of carry strategies
From the episode:
The Rise of Carry(Book)
The Carry Trade post
Get Stacked Podcast
ReSolve Riffs Podcast
Setting the Risk Parity Record Straight - The Derivative episode
Researching the Risks of return stacking with Corey Hoffstein & Rodrigo Gordillo - The Derivative episode
Asset Allocation, AI, and the Alpha process with Resolve - The Derivative episode
Follow along with ReSolve Asset Management on Twitter/X @InvestReSolve Adam Butler @GestaltU & Rodrigo Gordillo @RodGordilloP, LinkedIn and check out their research page for more information
Don't forget to subscribe to The Derivative, follow us on Twitter at @rcmAlts and our host Jeff at @AttainCap2, or LinkedIn , and Facebook, and sign-up for our blog digest.
Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit www.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer

May 2, 2024 • 1h 6min
Surviving Adversity, Building Resilience, and Evolving a Quantitative Investment Firm with Joe Kelly of Campbell
Joe Kelly, partner at Campbell & Co., joins us this week for a new episode of The Derivative. Jeff starts talking skiing, as he’s apt to do, but this time is a bit different, with Joe sharing an update on his recent recovery from a nasty ski accident that nearly left him paralyzed (or worse). We
then move right into Joe discussing his career journey from trader to founding a FinTech startup during the tech bubble, to joining the long-time managed futures standout Campbell & Company.
Joe touches on the firm's focus on collaboration and shared research culture differing from the classic ‘pod shop’ model. Kelly and Malec discuss Campbell's investment strategies, including trend following, quantitative macro, long/short equity, and short-term trading.
They also debate systematic macro strategies versus global macro versus trend following; while touching on risk management, portfolio construction, and the challenges of managing non-correlated investments. Kelly provides insights into Campbell's future plans, including enhancing short-term capabilities with AI and considering new asset classes. This episode has it all! A little alternative investment history tour, a peek inside one of the most successful Alts firms of all time, and bringing it back full circle, overcoming adversity through resilience. SEND IT!
Chapters:
00:00-01:50=Intro
01:51-13:04= Skiing gone wrong and finding resilience to
defy the odds
13:05-22:10= Early trading days: FinTech, Hedging stock
options, Rotella Capital, and industry revolution
22:11-35:57= A Campbell opportunity, firm culture &
collaboration in investment management
35:58-48:03= A 4 Bucket approach, stable vol, convexity
locked in, & transparency for portfolios
48:04-58:29= Quant Macro vs Trend – Momentum signals and relative value strategies / Replication: Impossible?
58:30-01:06:19= What’s next? Date density and Short-term opportunities - Wait, what about A.I.?
From the episode:
MMI Index Article (Blast from the past: How futures saved stocks)
Panel Event Podcast with Joe Kelly (Why Systematic, Why CTA? Why Now?)
Andrew Beer on The Derivative episode (Fund replication)
Check out our Trend Following Guide!
Follow along with Joe on LinkedIn and for more information visit Campbell's website at
https://www.campbell.com/
Don't forget to subscribe to The Derivative, follow us on Twitter at @rcmAlts and our host Jeff at @AttainCap2, or LinkedIn , and Facebook, and sign-up for our blog digest.
Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit www.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer

Apr 25, 2024 • 1h 15min
50 Charts showing the Current State of Volatility, with Jeremie Holdom and Colin Suvak of LongTail Alpha
Experts from LongTail Alpha explore volatility trends across asset classes, options selling influx, interest rate effects, and correlation shifts. They discuss tail hedging strategies, basis risk evaluation, counterparty risks, and market dynamics interpretation.

Mar 28, 2024 • 1h 7min
Finding Alpha in Unexpected Places: Doug Greenig on Trend Following Beyond Developed Markets
In this in-depth conversation, Jeff Malec picks the brain of veteran quant Doug Greenig about pursuing trends on a truly global scale. Greenig takes listeners on his fascinating career journey, from cutting-edge fixed income modeling at Goldman Sachs to managing risk at MAN AHL's pioneering CTA firm. He explains how this
experience led him to establish Florin Court Capital and develop novel ways of accessing over 500 international markets. Greenig and Malec engage in a lively debate about capturing narrative shifts, the effects of high-speed trading, and how allocators can balance exposure to alternative trends. Listen in on unique insights into operational challenges like structuring swaps to trade illiquid assets. Greenig also discusses how Florin Court scales risk across a massive portfolio while still delivering the crisis protection allocators seek. This revealing episode pulls back the curtain on one firm's quest to follow profits wherever macro winds may blow. SEND IT!
Chapters:
00:00-01:48=Intro
01:49-04:21= Diverse economies
04:22-22:25= Economist turned PH.D, fixed income derivatives & trend potential in emerging markets
22:26-37:00= Alternative markets/Alternative trend: Exposure to CTAs, global orientation & unique opportunities
37:01-51:20= Refining models, when narratives change, signal strength & volatility targeting
51:21-01:01:34= What drives trend, removing the narrative & moving into a complex world
01:01:35-01:06:59= Florin Court...the apartment building?
From the episode:
History of Managed Futures whitepaper
Guide to Trend Following
Follow along with Doug on LinkedIn and for more information on Florin Court and their team visit florincourt.com
Don't forget to subscribe to The Derivative, follow us on Twitter at @rcmAlts and our host Jeff at @AttainCap2, or LinkedIn , and Facebook, and sign-up for our blog digest.
Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit www.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer

Mar 14, 2024 • 51min
Optimizing the Supply Chain: Private Equity, Automation, and Economic Indicators in Logistics with Chris Jamroz
This episode is a fascinating deep dive into the complex
world of logistics. Our guest is Chris Jamroz, CEO of Roadrunner, a serial logistics entrepreneur who has indeed seen and done it all over his career.
Chris provides colorful anecdotes about his past 100+
acquisitions and turnarounds, including the challenges and lessons learned along the way. He then gives listeners an up-close look at his current ventures - Roadrunner, an LTL shipping company known for its blazing-fast delivery speeds, and Global X, a rapidly growing charter airline.
The wide-ranging discussion touches on how the pandemic disrupted global supply chains and the "nearshoring" trend of moving manufacturing closer to home. Chris also shares insightful perspectives on economic conditions, the potential and limitations of automated trucking, and the value private equity brings to facilitating turnarounds.
For those interested in alternative investments, Chris
even discusses how his family office allocates to areas like equipment leasing, real estate, and hedge funds. Overall, it's a very entertaining and educational podcast that provides a true insider's view of the logistics industry. SEND IT!
Chapters:
00:00-01:19= Intro
01:20-06:49= Extracting value across the continent
06:50-13:45= Quality freight transportation, LTL Players, allure of trucking life, 100+ acquisitions
13:46=26:00= Logistics & the global economy, freight recession post COVID spikes & the global supply
26:01-33:58= Rate pain points, the trigger effect, inflation & automated trucking – is it even possible?
33:59-45:20= Private equity = Devil or angel? Removing barriers & Deserving the right to grow
45:21-51:10= LyonIX & other ventures
Learn more about Chris: https://chrisjamroz.com/
& Roadrunner and follow along with Chris on LinkedIn @
Chris Jamroz & Roadrunner
Don't forget to subscribe to The Derivative, follow us on Twitter at @rcmAlts and our host Jeff at @AttainCap2, or LinkedIn , and Facebook, and sign-up for our blog digest.
Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit www.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer

Mar 7, 2024 • 48min
Constructing A Systematic Oil Trader: Fueling growth at Cayler Capital
Brent Belote, Founder and CIO of Cayler Capital, shares insights on analyzing oil supply and demand fundamentals, building a successful investment firm, trends in the energy sector including green-flation, Biden administration issues, and refining operations. The conversation also explores the impact of geopolitical events on the global oil market.

Feb 29, 2024 • 1h 8min
Miami Hedge Fund week Panel 2024 Part II: Increasing Accessibility of Alternative Investments
Join us for the second half of our panel discussions during this year's Hedge Fund week in Miami as we explore increasing accessibility of alternative investments through new ETF products and strategies. We’ve got Rodrigo Gordillo taking reigns from the quantitative perspective, Jerry Parker talking trend following, Bob Elliot on replication and Jay Pestrichelli, options guru, guiding
us through hedge fund strategies, discussing their day-to-day responsibilities and tasks, highlighting differences in their approaches despite operating under the broad financial services umbrella.
We dive into challenges around educating investors on sophisticated strategies as well as recent regulatory changes that allow new product structures that are making alternative approaches more accessible to a wider range of investors. Topics
discussed include quant fund management processes, trend following across 400 markets including single stocks, and harnessing options decay in a new ETF. Challenges of communicating performance during periods of potential underperformance are being addressed such as election year impacts and whether strategies position based on outcomes, capacity constraints of highest Sharpe strategies and limitations
of full replication, along with democratizing diversification strategies through return stacking ETFs.
Sit back and gain knowledge on the expanding opportunities and accessibility in the alternatives space, with room for continued advances as innovation progresses, SEND IT!
Chapters:
00:00-01:48=Intro
01:49-14:42= Intros & the Day-to-Day work ethic
14:43-28:45= Hedge fund replication, ETFs for retail investors & financial accessibility
28:46-45:22= Democratizing diversification through ETFs, market trends & election year impact
45:23-55:53= Hedge funds generating alpha, investments strategies & ETF operations
55:54-01:08:01= Managing expectations, Innovations & the future of investing
From the episode:
Miami Hedge Fund week 2024 Part 1: Commodities
Follow along with this panel on Twitter
& LinkedIn: @rjparkerjr09 , @RodGordilloP, @BobEUnlimited, & @ZEGAFinancial
And remember to check out their company profiles on LinkedIn:
Jerry Parker
Rodrigo Gordillo
Bob Elliott
Jay Pestrichelli

Feb 22, 2024 • 1h 3min
Set Phasers to Stocks+Discretionary Global Macro – with Dynamic Alpha
Brad Barrie and David Johnson of Dynamic Wealth Group discuss blending equity exposure with discretionary global macro allocations to provide smoother returns. They talk about portfolio construction, dynamic rebalancing models, meeting Shatner, and using analogies from Star Trek and NASA for investment concepts.

Feb 15, 2024 • 1h
Miami Hedge Fund week panel 2024 - Commodities: Outlook on Prices, Volatility, and Portfolio Diversification
This packed panel discussion featuring Tim Pickering (Auspice), Brent Belote (Cayler Capital), Gerardo Tarricone (Arion) and Derek Stroke (Equanimity Advisors) focused on commodities as diversifiers and opportunities in commodity trading and investing. Our panelists discussed topics like the reliability of commodities in portfolios, ESG factors, the potential for a commodity supercycle, and educating the next generation of commodity investors. They debated drivers of long-term commodity prices and the impact of trends like energy transition.
Panelists also highlighted volatility in energy markets, shifts toward separate managed accounts, inflation expectations, and strategies for including commodities in diversified portfolios. This session illuminated both risks and rewards for navigating evolving commodity markets, leaving attendees energized to pursue these opportunities through dedicated managers and stay tuned for what's in store in the world of trading and beyond. – you need to check this one out! SEND IT!
Chapters:
00:00-01:32= Intro
01:33-13:25= Commodities as diversifiers with industry experts, EV’s/ greenflation & energy trading opportunities
13:26-20:53= Trading commodities for alpha & diversification
20:54-30:37= Commodity supercycles & its potential
impact on prices & Volatility and China demand
30:38-44:02= Inflation, central bank policies, and educating
the next generation
44:03-54:30= Questions from the audience: “Drill baby
Drill”, weaponizing commodities & India’s middle class
54:31-01:00:22= Final thoughts on the future outlook for
commodities
Panelist Performance Stats: Click here
You can follow along with all our panelists on LinkedIn @ Brent Belote, Tim Pickering, Gerardo Tarricone & Derek Stroke
Don't forget to subscribe to The Derivative, follow us on Twitter at @rcmAlts and our host Jeff at @AttainCap2, or LinkedIn , and Facebook, and sign-up for our blog digest.
Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed
futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit www.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer

Feb 8, 2024 • 1h 27min
Advanced Hedge Fund Replication with the Top Down – riding diverse ETF modeling flows with DBi’s Andrew Beer
Welcome to the start of a new year and another exciting season of The Derivative Podcast. We're beginning with a bang, featuring DBi’s hedge fund guru, Andrew Beer. Picture the ideal blend of Wall Street expertise and accessible insights - that's what we're delivering in this episode! We’re talking with Andrew about replicating strategies in this episode and if it works.
Andrew is sharing his journey, from establishing a commodity firm to making groundbreaking strides in the hedge fund world, where he adds flavor with personal anecdotes from his financial adventures, diving into private equity and managed futures investing - providing beta for those managed futures, replicating hedge fund performance with the help of ETFs, using managed futures as a diversification strategy, unveiling his creative methods to revolutionize investing. We come at all angles in this one, questioning the risks and limitations of replication, utilizing different markets to expanding portfolios, and even getting into the “whipsaw” effect many trend followers saw last year with its unpredictable events. This episode is a feast for finance enthusiasts and newcomers - filled with knowledge, humor, and a whole lot of excitement. Don't just listen; Turn up the volume and brace yourself for an episode that's as fun as it is informative — SEND IT!
Chapters:
00:00-03:17= Intro
03:18-9:55= Commodities to Private Equity
9:56-24:54= You’re not a Quant, replicating models and finding your vision
24:55-49:05= Where’s the line? MF against everyone else, asset
allocation limitations and modeling flows
49:06-01:08:51= Top down, bottom up: The structure, the drivers and year of the whipsaw
01:08:52-01:19:14= 10 markets expanding your portfolio
01:19:15-01:27:27= Limits of replication & the dangers of private
equity
From the episode:
Replicating Babies, Trend following, hedge funds, and Warren
Buffet with Corey Hoffstein
https://dbi.co/news-research/
Follow along with Andrew on Twitter @andrewdbeer1, LinkedIn and visit DBi's website at dbi.co/ for more information.
Don't forget to subscribe to The Derivative, follow us on Twitter at @rcmAlts and our host Jeff at @AttainCap2, or LinkedIn , and Facebook, and sign-up for our blog digest.
Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed
futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit www.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer
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