The Peter McCormack Show

Junseth is an OG Bitcoiner and the former co-host of Bitcoin Uncensored. In this live interview, recorded at Pubkey in New York, we discuss the latest Bitcoin phenomenon - ordinals. We also talk about the philosophy of Bitcoin: what it’s for, what it can be, and how it’s still the only blockchain that adds value to society. - - - - This was the second ever live What Bitcoin Did show, hosted at the excellent Pubkey in New York City. And, for a live show, we needed a combination of an OG Bitcoiner, with strong opinions, who could sing…luckily Junseth was available! Junseth is obviously a Bitcoiner who’s happy to tackle hot topics. So we began by discussing the good and the bad of ordinals: it has certainly strengthened Bitcoin in terms of node usage and transaction fees, but are inscriptions the best use of the blockchain? And, as Junseth espouses, should we get too concerned about tests of Bitcoin’s anti-fragility? Further, we talked about what, for an OG, Bitcoin represents both today and in the future. Can Bitcoin fix everything? If not, what is Bitcoin’s lane or lanes? How early are we? Why people need to shitcoin before finding Bitcoin is the only blockchain. How it strengthens American democracy. And what it will take for Bitcoin to change the world. Finally, Junseth took some excellent questions from the crowd. He covered economic degeneracy, Bitcoin’s limitations, how Bitcoin supports democracy and American values, and whether we should be hodling or spending Bitcoin. He would have given us golden material on every subject under the sun if we’d had the time! We were very grateful to have a sell-out and supportive crowd, and thanks again to our amazing hosts Pubkey! It’s been a long time since we did a live event, but there will definitely be more to come this year. In fact, we have 2 shows scheduled: in Bedford on April 14th and in Miami on May 17th. 

Eric Yakes is the author of ‘The 7th Property’. In this interview, we discuss how a Bitcoin native banking system could evolve, predicated on a practical vision where not everyone will be able or willing to self-custody. Eric has theorised how Fedimints may form the basis for a new digital age of free banking, and the risks and opportunities this would present. - - - - As Bitcoin is a new form of money, then it stands to reason that it could become the basis for a new global monetary system. Yet, it is not a certainty that this will happen. And how it may manifest is far from settled. Eric Yakes is one of the leading thinkers on this topic. His ideas around how Bitcoin banking may develop are evolving to respect the central tenets of Bitcoin’s ideology, whilst making pragmatic allowances for real-world constraints. The principal issue for Bitcoin banking is the provision of custody. 2022 gave everyone clear grounds to promote cold storage. However, with widescale adoption, there will still be significant demand for third-party custody solutions. Therefore, one must consider which custody solutions maximise trust. Fedimint provides such an alternative where trust is federated, with the intention that this federation is a known community. Fedimint is not only a custody solution, it is also a means for issuing value. A Fedimint can issue Ecash against the held Bitcoin. This Ecash acts as a bearer instrument that can be stored on mobile phones, with the privacy characteristics of physical cash. Ecash could also be transferred via the Lightning Network. This opens up the possibility of a quantum of decentralized federations developing and operating akin to the free banking era of the 19th century. There are issues. Third-party custody in any form involves risk. There will be occasions when trust is broken, Bitcoin is lost and innocent people are affected. There are also risks associated with a rise in fractional reserve banking, and questions over the issuance of credit through such systems. However, as Eric Yakes asserts, if Bitcoin is to be more than Gold 2.0 and become the basis for a global monetary system, then these are risks that need to be faced.

Rob Hamilton is a co-founder and the CEO of AnchorWatch. In this interview, we discuss ordinals and ordinal inscriptions: what they are, how they work, what risks and benefits do they present to Bitcoin, how would we mitigate negative impacts, and how the rest of the ecosystem is responding. - - - - Bitcoin’s use cases grow every year. A new version of money. An international payments rail. A tool to build out stranded energy, mitigate methane emissions and stabilise energy grids. And now, a decentralized immutable repository for images, audio, video and code. Ordinal inscriptions have been popularised as Bitcoin’s answer to NFTs, but that framing significantly underplays the opportunities and threats of this burgeoning functionality. Ordinal inscriptions have been made possible via a series of Bitcoin upgrades going back to SegWit, and additional software, the Ordinal protocol, developed by Bitcoiner Casey Rodarmor. Rodarmor’s motivation was to make Bitcoin fun. But it has sparked a fierce debate about the nature and purpose of Bitcoin. In short, if Bitcoin is the new version of money, should all other uses that impact this primary use case be excised? Philosophically, can a decentralized anarchic system without a fixed mission statement have rules of use beyond what is technically possible? Or, does the hard-won trajectory for Bitcoin that emerged from the blocksize wars set a clear enough ideology of what Bitcoin is and isn’t? Whilst technically, what can actually be done to counter the ordinal impact? Will this require another fork, or are there softer mitigations? And what will be the cost to the network of such changes? The flip side to this debate is the positive impact ordinal inscriptions are having on Bitcoin transactions. Miners are at last seeing a use case that is, at last, bringing value to transaction verification. Whilst it is leading to questions about the blockchain being bloated is this actually a good thing in that it accelerates the market determination of true transaction value on the base layer? Whatever the outcome will be, such discourse is a natural consequence of having a decentralized network without any rulers. Vigorous and healthy debates have galvanised and strengthened the Bitcoin protocol since its inception. Long may it continue.

Michael Sonnenshein is the CEO of Grayscale. In this interview, we discuss Grayscale’s lawsuit with the SEC, Genesis’s lending practices and bankruptcy, GBTC and the intercompany relationships at DCG. - - - - The Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC) brought institutional investment into Bitcoin and helped Bitcoin to mature. Launched in 2013, as a subsidiary of the Digital Currency Group (DCG), it was devised as an official means of gaining exposure to Bitcoin for high-net-worth entities. Many, including Grayscale, have sought to provide a spot price ETF, but, in the absence of SEC approval, GBTC has served as an attractive alternative investment vehicle. In November 2021, GBTC had over $43 billion AUM. GBTC is one of many funds Grayscale provides covering a plethora of digital assets, including Ethereum, Solana, Zcash and Bitcoin Cash. However, GBTC is the most dominant: at this moment GBTC represents nearly 75% of Grayscale's total AUM. With its 2% annual fee based on Bitcoin’s spot price, GBTC is a valuable part of Grayscale and DCG's portfolio. At the current Bitcoin price, GBTC commands approximately $420m in fees. Grayscale is currently dealing with some major issues. Since early 2021 GBTC has been trading below its net asset value (NAV). This discount is currently hovering around all-time lows at 46%. GBTC holders cannot redeem their shares for the underlying asset. They have to sell their shares in an open market and shoulder this discount. Those not forced to sell feel effectively trapped. Grayscale is subject to a number of investor lawsuits, and an activist campaign seeking to unseat Grayscale as the manager of GBTC. Concurrently, Grayscale is suing the SEC over the latter's refusal to convert GBTC into an ETF. The mechanisms of an ETF allow for arbitrage trading keeping the share price aligned with NAV. This is Grayscale’s strategy for reducing the current GBTC discount. Grayscale has also been caught up in the bankruptcy of the crypto lending firm Genesis, another subsidiary of DCG. According to a Financial Times report, DCG is selling shares in Grayscale funds, “at a steep discount” to pay back Genesis creditors. There are more fundamental questions about the role of Genesis’s lending. According to Bitcoinist, the failed hedge fund Three Arrows Capital took a $2.36 billion loan from Genesis backed by 17 million GBTC shares.

Amanda Cavaleri is a Bitcoin entrepreneur and board member of the Bitcoin Today Coalition. In this wide-ranging interview, we discuss the upcoming Bitcoin Ski Summit Amanda is organizing, how Bitcoin can help the United States, whether Bitcoin should be radical or conservative, the importance of values in Bitcoin culture, and the promise of Nostr. - - - - Amanda Cavaleri is a long-time friend of the show, and one of the most genuine and hard-working people within Bitcoin. Amanda has numerous interests across Bitcoin, from investments to mining, from advocacy to education. As a veteran Bitcoiner, Amanda is able to have a wider perspective on the important value Bitcoin brings to society beyond its immediate investment potential. We discussed the unremitting importance of Bitcoin to privacy, and of privacy to democracy. With the rise of China, having a tool outside of the purview of the state is becoming increasingly important. Furthermore, Bitcoin has the potential to support global economic growth as we transition from the dollar as a reserve currency: Bitcoin has the potential to be neutral global money that can enable efficient cross-border payments in an increasingly multipolar world. We talked about despite Bitcoin being an apolitical tool, there is significant work required to get it to resonate within the Washington bubble. Amanda set out the educational work, network building and soft permeation of DC being undertaken by the Bitcoin Today Coalition. This is a slow but vital advocacy process needed to lessen the risk Bitcoin’s development within the United States is kneecapped by ignorant legislators. Finally, we covered the importance of Bitcoin’s culture. Whilst ‘number goes up’ worked to gain rapid interest over previous cycles, a values-based ideology is showing itself to be critical in both widening Bitcoin adoption and defending against attacks. But culture obviously affects the internal workings of Bitcoin as much as its presentation externally. Therefore, the current debate around how radical Bitcoin should be may perhaps become a significant area of debate in the next year.

Ben Prentice is a producer of What Bitcoin Did and co-creator of WTFhappenedin1971.com. In this interview, we discuss ‘Economics in One Lesson’, the seminal work by Henry Hazlitt. It’s as relevant today as it was when it was first published in 1946. We also talk through the disruptive force of AI, and, of course, we cover Bitcoin. - - - - Henry Hazlitt was an American journalist who reported on economics and business between 1913 and 1969 for publications such as the Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and the New York Times. He is credited with introducing the ideas of Austrian economics to the English speaking world. But his legacy was burnished through his 1946 book ‘Economics in One Lesson’. Hazlitt’s ideas have been acknowledged as being foundational in the development of neocolonialism in the United States. ‘Economics in One Lesson’ has been praised since its publication by numerous prominent economists opposing Keynesian economics. But it was it’s impact on decision makers such as Ronald Reagan that set it apart from other works. And it is still having an impact today. Hazlitt’s book has resonated with different audiences for over 75 years because it developed arguments that have remained timeless. Two central ideas have as much relevance today as they did in 1946: firstly, policymakers underestimate the cause and long-term effect of policy decisions; secondly, many economic beliefs are based on logical fallacies. It is a work that strips away the complexity of economics to explain it in clear and recognizable terms. The question should therefore be why we live in a world that seems to be making the same mistakes that formed the basis of Hazlitt’s original work. Part of this is because the underlying monetary system is inherently weak. But, it is also because decision-makers, either through ignorance or arrogance, believe that they can allocate capital better than the market. This is why Hazlitt’s work remains important: we must remember the past or be condemned to repeat it.

Lee Bratcher is President of the Texas Blockchain Council. In this interview, we discuss the important work of the Texas Blockchain Council in educating decision-makers and providing a link to Bitcoin businesses, which has helped Texas to become a global leader in Bitcoin. We also talk about the risks of introducing any form of CBDC. - - - - Texas has become the US’s home of Bitcoin, maybe the global home of Bitcoin. A state whose motto is friendship has extended its hand to those seeking to mine and develop Bitcoin. Why is this? Texans are independent, hard-working, freedom-loving people. As our guest Lee Bratcher states on the show: “The ethos of Texas just matches up with the ethos of Bitcoin.” But, there is a more pragmatic reason why this has happened: Texas’s economic history shows a state that embraces opportunity. And with Bitcoin mining, we are seeing perhaps one of the biggest opportunities to present itself to energy grids. Governments across the world are seeking to transition to more renewable and volatile energy sources. And, as we have seen, Bitcoin mining provides a range of tools to help grids in this transition. Texas’s grid operator, ERCOT, has embraced Bitcoin mining, and as such, it is reaping the benefits. Bitcoin mining is making the Texas grid more resilient to peak demands, it is facilitating the build-out of stranded energy sources, and could potentially help keep energy prices low. A welcoming regulatory landscape and collaborative approach to planning are resulting in Texas working towards being the home for 20-25% of the global hashrate. But, Texas has not woken up to the utility of Bitcoin mining on its own. The fact the state has a dedicated Bitcoin advocacy group is a critical factor in this story. The Texas Blockchain Council was set up to make Texas the jurisdiction of choice for Bitcoin. To that end, it educates lawmakers, acts as a conduit between the state and Bitcoin companies, and actively defends Bitcoin against attacks from senators in DC. It’s another inspiring and motivating Bitcoin story.

Troy Cross is a Professor of Philosopher and Fellow at BPI, & Shaun Connell is Executive VP of Power at Lancium & energy trading expert. In this interview, we discuss the evolution of the Bitcoin mining and energy debate: how Bitcoin mining has weathered the storm of FUD over its energy usage to become a tool that fixes an ever-increasing number of energy-related issues. - - - - Roy Sheinfeld, CEO of Breez, last week used the following analogy to highlight expanding knowledge of the Lightning Network’s application: "The first industrial use of steam engines was to pump water out of mines, but nobody talks about that because the engines were stationary and hidden in the dark. Three generations later, inventors started adding wheels to the engines. Setting that power free and bringing it into the light made everyone take notice, and that’s when steam changed everything." The same applies to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem, particularly in relation to Bitcoin mining. Since 2019, there has been a growing realisation that Bitcoin provides a multitude of benefits to producers, operators and consumers of energy. There are also an increasing number of ancillary applications being realised in other areas. So, is it time for Bitcoiners to become more emboldened in their advocacy of Bitcoin mining? There’s an available body of evidence showing the important role that Bitcoin mining is playing in supporting Texas’s energy grid. It is right to state that some of the resultant conclusions seem counterintuitive i.e. how can an energy user assist with energy supply? However, it merely takes an open mind, a willingness to question, and a capacity to learn, to realise that Bitcoin mining provides an important societal good. Paradigm shifts are always met with suspicion. The issue is we’re on the right side of history. Therefore, should we use someone's views on Bitcoin mining as a test of their intelligence and humility? Is it time to be more assertive in responding to those who refuse to believe their eyes and ears? After all, they are the ones who refuse to be humble.

Sam Wouters is a Research Analyst at River Financial. In this interview, we discuss Bitcoin’s hash rate: what it is, the factors affecting its growth, what this means for Bitcoin’s security budget, and what this means for Bitcoin’s energy needs. In short, there is a symbiotic relationship between expanding Bitcoin’s real-world utility and securing the blockchain. - - - - Proof of Work is Bitcoin’s central innovation: the development of a process that through game theory keep the network honest, and provides security from outside attack. It enabled a global store of value that does not need centralised armoured physical vaults for security. However, the process of hashing that enables PoW requires large amounts of power, and, with the halving mechanism, requires an increase in Bitcoin’s price, transaction fees, or both, to maintain equivalent network security spending. Bitcoin’s energy debate in 2022 was completely realigned: rather than being an attack vector for opponents, Bitcoin mining’s energy use has developed into a marketable attribute. Mega miners have sought new revenue streams and cheaper energy which has resulted in huge innovation in the industry. There is a growing realisation that Bitcoin’s utility is a powerful tool in supporting the energy transition and mitigating climate change. This means that we are potentially entering a paradigm, where knowledgeable decision-makers desire an increase in hash rate to satisfy other needs. But, there is a long list of variables affecting this: Bitcoin’s price, base layer transaction demand, ASIC supply chains, ASIC efficiency, and domestic and international political pressures. This means there is a range of possible forecasts. Irrespective of the potential future drivers that can influence Bitcoin’s hash rate, fundamentally the issue is that the hash rate must continue to grow. It is Bitcoin’s security budget that is of primary importance. All other demands fall away in this respect. Bitcoin’s adoption, use and price are all critical in relation to this. As are the efficiency gains in mining rigs. If people want to use Bitcoin mining for other purposes they need to be cognizant of these issues.

In this engaging conversation, Jason Brett, a former FDIC regulator who navigated the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, shares valuable insights. He reflects on the causes of the 2008 crisis, particularly the IndyMac bank run, and parallels it with the recent crypto failures like FTX. Jason emphasizes the importance of consumer protection and self-custody in financial stability. He also discusses the need for regulatory reforms in the crypto space, highlighting Bitcoin as a potential safeguard against traditional financial pitfalls.