
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik Kersten
Since publishing best-selling book, Project to Product, technology business leader, Dr. Mik Kersten, has introduced transformative frameworks and ideas for delivering software at scale. He has given numerous standing room only keynotes and presentations worldwide and is an internationally recognized thought-leader.
In this podcast, Mik + One, nothing is off the record as Mik sits down with industry leading guests and delves into how they deliver value and drive digital transformations in their organizations.
Tune in for a new episode every two weeks! Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode.
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www.projecttoproduct.org
Latest episodes

Jan 24, 2023 • 42min
Episode 51: Carol Houle on Strategic Digital Transformations
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Carol Houle, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Financial Services and Insurance at Atos. With over two decades of experience in building and renovating businesses seeking to focus on strategic digital transformations, Carol shares success stories and challenging lessons she has learned in her professional journey. Carol and Mik talk about the complexities of agile transformation, and the role that education can play in optimizing value streams.
Mik and Carol also have a transformative discussion about how the shift from project to product is actually a shift of mindset, and for a shift of mindset to occur acknowledgment from a higher place within individuals, and fundamentally within the organization, is crucial.
Key discussions include:
Carol’s background and history in the industry
Improving technology in the last decade
What is agile transformation?
How to measure improvement and maintain autonomy
The need for shifting mindsets and education
Special focus sessions for executives and how they can be utilized
The value of servant leadership and empowerment
Setting up systems that include feedback loops to create a sense of control
Instrumentation of business value to connect to your business strategy
Why digital transformation is the vehicle for building relationships
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Additional Resources:
Connect with Carol
Portfolio SAFe
Dean Leffingwell on the Mik + One Podcast: Part 1, Part 2
MarTech
Dave West - podcast episode
Scrum Studio
Greenfield project
Skunkworks
Bimodal IT
Agile Release Train
Mik + One Podcast Episode 20: Justin Watts
For more information on Carol Houle, please visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/carol-houle/

Dec 20, 2022 • 48min
Episode 50: Former Ford CEO Mark Fields on the Value of a Unified Vision
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Mark Fields, Senior Advisor to TPG Capital, a member of Planview's board of directors, and former CEO of Ford Motor Company. Mark has presided over three decades of strategic and digital transformations at global businesses and shares how he consistently succeeded with a focus on product. He discusses the value of possessing agility, a unified vision, and a rallying cry as a business to create a product that delivers more value and potentially diverts a company off more common value streams.
In this episode, Mik and Mark also discuss drive-by-wire and how a point of view on what the future is, creates a demand for businesses to create organizational structure that can support strategy.
Key discussions include:
Early steps in Mark’s career
Turning Mazda around in Japan
Functional divides between business, technology, and operations
Focusing on product is how you get customers
Unifying vision and having a rallying cry in a business
Turning products into platforms
Diverting off common platforms to deliver customer missions
ECUs in vehicles and the cost
AWS and Azure bills for organizations
Ford’s Mach-E
Digital companies Mark is on the board of and how he is helping them thrive
Learnings and agility
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Additional Resources:
Connect with Mark
Portfolio SAFe
Dean Leffingwell on the Mik + One Podcast: Part 1, Part 2
MarTech
Dave West - podcast episode
Scrum Studio
Greenfield project
Skunkworks
Bimodal IT
Agile Release Train
Mik + One Podcast Episode 20: Justin Watts
For more information about Mark Fields and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit:
https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/mark-fields/

Nov 22, 2022 • 50min
Episode 49: Brendan Hopper on Lessons Learned Shifting From Project to Product
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Brendan Hopper, is the CIO for technology at Commonwealth Bank Group. He is responsible for ensuring the bank has a world leading IT engineering capability and is making the right technology investments and decisions. Brendan shares what drives his passion for driving innovation and flow at organizations and why technology should become an accelerator, not a disruptor for organizations and their customers.
In this episode, Mik and Brendan also discuss org structure and the core principle that to be evolutionary means focusing on small increments and not just major redesigns.
Key discussions include:
Brendan’s professional journey in strategy and engineering
How velocity can drive safety
Building technology that real people delight in
Creating a transformation network that is course correcting
Lessons Brendan has learned in shifting from project to product
The need for feedback cycles in transformation
Understanding data that bottlenecks at the value stream level and the organization level.
Restoring and repairing organizational design
Why org structure has to continually change
Moving teams between value streams when roadmapping what is next
What Brendan is focused on today
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Additional Resources:
Connect with Brendan
Portfolio SAFe
Dean Leffingwell on the Mik + One Podcast: Part 1, Part 2
MarTech
Dave West - podcast episode
Scrum Studio
Greenfield project
Skunkworks
Bimodal IT
Agile Release Train
Mik + One Podcast Episode 20: Justin Watts
For more information about Brendan Hopper and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit:
https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/brendan-hopper/

Aug 30, 2022 • 49min
Episode 48: Steve Berez on How to Do Agile Right
Joining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is Steve Berez, advisory partner at Bain & Company and co-author of Doing Agile Right, Transformation Without Chaos.
In this episode, Mik and Steve discuss:
Insights into Steve’s 30+ year journey developing Bain’s technology practice
Real examples of implementing agile practices and how to do it right
How to get buy-in from Finance teams and demonstrate the value of a capacity-based mindset
Strategies organizations can take to realize Agile benefits more quickly
How Doing Agile Right can improve the business technology dialogue
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Additional Resources:
Connect with Steve
Doing Agile Right
Dean Leffingwell on the Mik + One Podcast: Part 1, Part 2
For more information about Steve Berez and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/steve-berez/

Jul 19, 2022 • 58min
Episode 47: Razat Gaurav on Rebuilding the Future of the Enterprise and the Three Waves of Software Value Stream Optimization
In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Razat Gaurav, Chief Executive Officer at Planview.
In this episode, Mik and Razat discuss the trillion-dollar opportunity ahead to rebuild the future of how the enterprise works. Topics include:
How new market realities will impact the way we think about transformations
Designing foundational capabilities with resiliency in mind to maximize flow and unlock value
Deep dive into the three “waves” that optimize software value streams
The fundamental nature of operationalizing with learning cycles and feedback loops
How Tasktop joining Planview will dramatically accelerate the ability to help the world's organizations survive and thrive in the age of software
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For more information about Razat Gaurav and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/razat-gaurav/

Jun 17, 2022 • 56min
Episode 46: Sejal Amin on Lasting Organizational Change that Drives Innovation
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Sejal Amin, current Chief Product and Technology Officer for Khoros, where she leads global product development teams to build great experiences for customers.
In this episode, Mik and Sejal discuss a wide range of topics around continuous improvement, team health, organizational design, and flow.
Key discussions include:
Lessons Sejal learned from making the shift from project to product and barriers to overcome when making that shift
The importance of team culture and emphasizing the health of the team
Strategies to accelerate and make lasting organizational changes that focus on outcomes; including an example of a structure and data-driven environment in which teams can thrive
Proven tools that increase team performance to effectively work around data and flow
Structuring a product and team hierarchy that is conducive to a successful project to product transformation that enables continuous learning, improvement and innovation
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www.tasktop.com

Apr 5, 2022 • 51min
Episode 44: Geordie Henderson on Implementing Organizational Design and Innovation to Scale High-Performing Teams
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Geordie Henderson, General Manager of AWS Messaging and Streaming at Amazon Web Services, and previously the VP of Engineering at Hootsuite.
In this episode, Mik and Geordie share insights into organizational design and innovation to build, integrate and lead successful software organizations, as well as other key topics including:
An overview of Geordie’s experience in scaling high-performing teams at Amazon Web Services and Hootsuite, and advice to leaders on the missteps to avoid
Implementing the correct team structures and dynamics when optimizing flow for business outcomes
How to successfully approach creating microservices teams and managing product needs
The concept of Single Threader Owners (STOs) and the role of product and engineering leadership when organizing around products vs. technology
Input versus output metrics and the importance of having set goals when evolving team structure
Advice to leaders on creating the dynamic and structure required for driving innovation within the organization
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For more information about Geordie Henderson and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/geordie-henderson/

Mar 15, 2022 • 56min
Episode 43: Darrell Fernandes on Driving Organizational Improvement To Deliver Customer Value
In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Darrell Fernandes, Head of Product Technology at TIAA, a Fortune 100 financial services organization that is the leading provider of financial services in the academic, research, medical, cultural and governmental fields.
In this episode, Mik and Darrell discuss themes around driving organizational improvement and customer value, as well as other topics including:
The five key accountabilities that all IT product managers should consider when thinking about how an IT product fits within the market
Insights into successfully building out Objectives and Key Results (OKRs) that align with the business outcomes and deliver customer value
Organizing cross-functional Agile Release Trains (ARTs) as capabilities and guidance for building them into the business and technology roadmap
Operationalizing at a business level and advice on educating leadership and business counterparts when getting buy-in
Recognizing success and building incentives that strengthen how the teams operate to become more innovative, efficient and value-focused
Advice on how to approach and introduce Flow within the organization to deliver greater business value
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For more information about Darrell Fernandes and to view the full list of resources mentioned in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/darrell-fernandes/

Feb 22, 2022 • 50min
Episode 42: Manuel Pais on Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow.
In this episode, Mik and Manuel discuss some of the key themes in Team Topologies, as well as other topics including:
Manuel's learnings and key tips on how to effectively manage team collaboration in the shift to remote-first and hybrid working
The relationship between the ideas behind the Flow Framework and Team Topologies
Advice on how to set up value streams to enable and improve team flow and capacity when delivering digital experiences
Implementing a reorganization and advice to leaders on how to approach this, and why it’s important to understand, implement and evolve the team topology
Treating platforms as products and the importance of investing in platform teams to manage cognitive load and provide greater value to customers
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For more information about Manuel Pais and to view the full list of resources featured in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/manuel-pais/

Feb 1, 2022 • 59min
Episode 41: Bank of New Zealand on Applying the Flow Metrics at Scale
To kick off the first episode of 2022, Mik is joined by two guests from Bank of New Zealand: Paul Littlefair, Chief Technology Officer, and BMK Lakshminarayanan, Value Stream Architect.
In this episode, Mik, Paul and BMK delve into how Bank of New Zealand has been applying the shift from Project to Product and Flow Metrics, and other key topics including:
Insight into how Bank of New Zealand’s transformation journey started, and the goals they first set out to achieve
The importance of investing in continuous improvement, and rewarding for improvement and not just output
Getting leadership buy-in, and why reporting the developer experience at the board level is crucial to enabling flow and visibility
Introducing education around flow at all levels to create continuous learning across the organization, and insight into how Bank of New Zealand has executed this
How tenacity, pivoting and starting today has brought a large enterprise organization like Bank of New Zealand on a great trajectory to getting things deployed, and how they’ve adapted their learnings at scale
Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode and don’t forget to leave your review.
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For more information about Paul Littlefair and BMK Lakshminarayanan and to view the full list of resources featured in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/bank-of-new-zealand/
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