Songwriters on Process

"It's important to separate my sense of self-worth from my creations. If I was so self-aware of my output, I don't think I'd be having fun," Melina Duterte, who goes by the performing name Jay Som, told me. She says that output is proportional to her introspection: "How much I express through music depends on how much work I've been doing on myself," she says. And there's no better place for Duterte's introspection than at her kitchen sink, doing the dishes. Jay Som's latest album is Belong on Polyvinyl Records.

It's the return of Hayes Carll! I first interviewed him in 2013 and again in 2016. A recurring theme of those early interviews was Carll's admitted lack of discipline in the writing process. "I'm always looking for something else to do other than write," Carll told me in 2013.But 2025 brings a new Hayes Carll, one who sees discipline as an ally. "I don't turn away from the knock at the door, even when it's inconvenient," he says now. Carll's latest album is We're Only Human.

"The decision has been made, and now it's time to f**k off," Mitch Rowland told me. To be clear, Rowland wasn't saying this to me; instead, it's Rowland ruthlessly killing his darlings in the editing process. Rowland is a solo artist, but he's also the guitarist in Harry Styles's solo band and has co-written many songs with Styles, including "Watermelon Sugar" and "Golden." (Rowland's wife Sarah Jones is the drummer in the band.) His songwriting has appeared on all three of Styles's albums. Rowland's songwriting process involves finding time for the eureka moments. He likes to mow the lawn, for example. Walking is an also big part of Rowland's process, so he never listens to music when he walks. And as he told me, "A tremendous amount of water has landed on my phone in the shower."Rowland's latest album is Whistling Pie. 

If you took a contemporary poetry class in college in the last 30 years, Paul Muldoon was probably on your syllabus. The New York Times has called him “one of the great poets of the past hundred years. . . . Only Yeats before him could write with such measured fury.” The Times Literary Supplement referred to Muldoon as “the most significant English-language poet born since the Second World War.” He's a Pulitzer Prize winner, a former poetry editor at The New Yorker, and currently a professor at Princeton University. But Muldoon has a side gig as a songwriter, which is why he’s here. So if you’re a writer in any capacity, songwriter or not, listen to this episode as we go deep into the writing process of one of the most significant poets of the past hundred years. The latest album by Paul Muldoon & Rogue Elephant is Visible From Space.

Patrick Hetherington of Parcels says that the urge to write usually strikes when he's had some kind of new input, but then he needs distance from that input to be able to process it and write about it. And a good sunset is mandatory. "I need to touch base with the sunset every day. I take a walk at sunset to feel that change, that shift in the day."The latest album by Parcels is Loved. 

Molly Tuttle, a GRAMMY-winning bluegrass musician, discusses her disciplined approach to songwriting and reflects on how the COVID-19 pandemic reshaped her creative process. She reveals her motivation to limit distractions with a flip phone during her studies at Berklee. Tuttle emphasizes the evolution of songwriting from metaphor to personal expression and the importance of journaling. She also shares insights on the contrast between effortlessly crafted songs and those requiring revision, along with her love for reading and its influence on her music.

Scott McCaughey, a founding member of The Minus Five and an auxiliary member of R.E.M., shares his songwriting journey and creative process. He discusses how daily routines can spark inspiration and reveals his knack for effortlessly transforming ideas into songs. McCaughey reflects on his stroke recovery, which reignited his passion for music, and emphasizes the power of language in songwriting. With his latest album, 'Oar On, Penelope!', he encourages artists to embrace creativity in all its forms, blending spontaneity with structure.

Dev Hynes had me at the bookshelves.All those bookshelves behind him on our Zoom interview, rising to the ceiling and stuffed with books. Small wonder, then, that Hynes works best in daily consumption mode rather than creation mode. He's adamant about not writing every day.The creative process is all about keeping it fun for Hynes. He likes to write in the afternoon for the simple reason that he likes his mornings, and who wants to write at night? Hynes isn't big on fancy equipment: he bought his third and fourth guitars only a couple of months ago. "Nothing matters to me as far as equipment," Hynes says. And when he hits a wall in the songwriting process, he doesn't push things too far if it looks like things aren't working. "I won't fold, but I'll see how hollow the wall is," he explains. The new Blood Orange album is called Essex Honey.

There's a difference between wanting to write and needing to write. For Will Taylor of Flyte, it's usually a need. Taylor says that he doesn't write every day, but instead writes after an accumulation of experiences. "I know it's time because a sadness comes over me. It's a quite noticeable funk, and the clouds need to break," says Taylor. But for Taylor and his bandmate Nicolas Hill, that need to write doesn't mean inefficiency. As you'll hear, they have little patience for those songs that take too long to finish. "We have no problem throwing songs away immediately if they aren't working. We don't keep them lying around to work on them later."Flyte's latest album is Between You and Me. 

Meg Duffy, the talented musician behind Hand Habits and creator of the album Blue Reminder, shares her unique approach to songwriting. She highlights how inspiration can strike in unexpected moments, even during mundane tasks like oil changes. Duffy emphasizes 'summoning' creativity, balancing routine with spontaneity, and reveals the emotional challenges of songwriting. With anecdotes about her life below fellow artist Kyle Thomas, this conversation offers insight into the quirks that drive her artistic process.