Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm Collins

Here is a terribly translated transcript of the episode (mostly just here for SEO): Hello Simone. It's wonderful to be here with you today. I'm gonna give you a topic today because I want you to talk more. I talked way too much in that last video. I don't like that. So I want to hear about your origin story growing up within the San Francisco Bay Area sort of your parents' background, how that shaped your worldview today.  Interesting. Sure. Yeah, because I would say that meeting you was, it did feel like entering a cult deprogramming program that I only realized after meeting you that I'd grown up. With the subconscious understanding that there were certain things I wasn't allowed to think or feel, and that I just wasn't allowed to hold certain beliefs and so I couldn't which I think is really interesting and I think we're seeing more and more of that being discussed openly.So this is a fun thing to talk about. I guess I'll dive into it. I, let's start with your parents. What. How did they meet? What's their background? Yeah. I think they ended up in common circles after graduating when both of them were married to other people.I know that my mother. Would babysit for my father and his ex-wife. They would do various, things and that she had a close relationship with my half-brother and sister early on.And that they, my mother and my father were also in a polyamorous relationship, which sounds awfully familiar, like in similar. She was not doing things with your brother and sister, she was taking care of them as a nanny. Yes. And she's in a polyamorous relationship with your father, with dad and his wife.Great. Yes. And it's actually sounds very similar to common relationship structures in the Bay Area today. There are many polyamorous families so it's, oh no, they're real trailblazers. In terms of that stuff, is it, how don't, and I think that's the thing is people say that polyamory and act like polyamory is this new invention and that it's, so to you, it's not new.I promise you that stuff was not happening in Texas. This is a, your family was just on the cutting edge of this new cultural movement. But I maybe, but to some extent she thought this was all normal. So you can talk about what were, so they ended up I'll just because you're taking No ill I will explain a little bit more.So, obvi in this case, actually polyamory did not work out. It led to a fairly not fun divorce from my father and his ex-wife. That was really difficult for my half-brother and sister. My mother basically gave an ultimatum to my dad saying listen, I, I. I can't do this polyamorous relationship either I need to move out of state and just kind of quit you cuz I'm too in love with you or we need to be monogamous.And he ultimately decided to end his marriage and get with my mom, which was rough. That's polyamory doesn't always work out. But anyway, so I. You'll fast forward if you're going. So they ended up going together to Japan and then they were gonna go to China to train under different masters.Your dad was an Aikido master in Japan. And your mom was going to be a Tai Chi master who was going to study Tai Chi. Yes. In China. Yeah. But in Japan, after a long time of trying to get pregnant, they didn't think they could get pregnant. They accidentally got pregnant with Simone. And that is where you were born.I was born in Japan. That's right. Made in Japan and they moved back to the United States after my first birthday where they were turned to the Bay Area where both of them grew up, where, you know, both our, of our collective families are and they were still very involved in all these cultures. So, talk about things like what you thought of politics growing up, what you thought of gender growing up, what you thought of sexuality, what was this world that you were in?Yeah, I mean it, I in many ways think it was very ideal. I, back then there, there was so little discussion of it. Everything was just kind of taken for granted. Like I, I actually thought I think there were more, I. Lesbian couples I knew that were raising my friends than like straight couples.So, I had no sort of prior on what a, like a marriage should be. I figured it was just as likely that I would end up marrying a woman as marrying a man. I, it just didn't seem any different to me. I thought that, a wedding meant like a naked sweat lodge and then masks in the forest.That was my prior there politics. There was, in my school, there was one. One student who was the son of a Republican, and it was just considered this like point of curiosity. Like if they were an albino student in the school, I think that would be kind of the same thing of oh yeah, we have an albino student.Like kind of cool, right? Like we have a Republican. But I had no idea what, republican values were. It was just a matter of course that. Any Republican political candidate was evil and, not good. And that, of course, everyone would disregard them and see them as well. Terrible.What did you think of Republicans in that environment when you grew up and you thought of your average Republican, what were you thinking? Were they like the same species as you or were they like No. Yeah, they, yeah, it actually felt like they were very different species. I almost I wonder how North Koreans feel about like outsiders maybe.I feel it could be something kind of similar to that of just Who could model these people, and I remember when I was like 11 or 13 years old, I spent a month in Mexico staying in a hostel, working on an environmental preserve where we would do sea turtle conservation. And we met a lot of families that would come in and visit and just, join.The Ecological Center for turtle walks and stuff. And so I would speak to other people and at one point I met this young woman around my age who came from Texas on vacation to this place where I was volunteering in the Yucca 10. And she was like, I. Oh, all I wanna do is, grow up and get married and have kids.And I just remember the shock at hearing that from someone. I, I lived to 13 years old and this was my first time hearing a young woman say that she wanted to be a mother. And I was honestly a little bit. Shocked and worried for her. Yeah, like you thought something was wrong with her.Like she was, something was definitely wrong. Yeah. And I would argue, now you can tell me if I'm saying this wrong, but it was almost like there wasn't real animosity for these people because they were subhuman. I don't think you, no, it's not. It's not about someone is less than human. It's just It's the same way that you would view someone who is in a toxic cult or something. Like one, I can't even model your weird worldview. You think that, aliens walk among us and the earth is flat.It's just like, how could you be so wrong? I can't possibly, like it, it's dangerous how wrong you are. I can't even wrap my head around it. I don't even know how I would argue with you. So I never tried. Here's my question now, given that you accept many conservative views as being broadly right.Why was it that you were unable to consider those views back then? Why? I think when you grow up in a normative culture, that's just like everyone holds the same view. And I think, people who grow up in conservative Mormon communities, people who grow up in like any sort of isolated, conservative community, when you don't get exposure to people with other worldviews, and especially not just that, but you don't get exposure to debate around these issues.That nothing is. Ever questioned. That's when it's a problem, because obviously like I was exposed to I was aware of the existence of these other groups. I was aware, and I think that's how it is with many cults that other outsiders exist. You understand broadly their worldviews, but because there's no interchange, there's no pushing back and there's no one questioning your own views, and that's just not done.I think that's where a culture becomes cult-like and toxic and dangerous. I was just actually watching a YouTube video where someone was pridefully saying that they were going to punch up throughout the video. And I was like, oh man. Like I intuitively, I felt really bad about that, like punching up.Just safe. It's safe and kind of cowardly punching down kind of a dick move. I honestly think we should be punching sideways and punching ourselves that is where to punch, right? You should be punching your own culture. You should be seeing where you fall down, where you can't stand up to criticism and sharpening yourself.And because that didn't happen in the Bay Area Cultures where I grew up, I literally grew up not. Allowing myself to feel certain things and it, this is something also I've seen recently trending on Twitter. People having all these conversations about, Progressives doing mental gymnastics to justify their passive reaction to being assaulted on the subway regularly.There's a lot of discussion I'm seeing among we'll say dissident, right? Like speakers being talking about, actually, it takes a lot of mental firepower to convince yourself to not react when. You're regularly being assaulted by, mentally ill people on the streets and to support these homeless encampments and to support fentanyl distribution, et cetera, et cetera.And I'm looking back at that and I'm looking, and I'm seeing in these people that they're pointing to myself in how I also had to do these mental gymnastics. And it wasn't because I had ill intentions. It wasn't because I was stupid. Yeah. It was because I literally had no tool set. For questioning them.Sure. And then I met you and you were literally the first person ever who asked me what I believed and why I supported certain things. And it's so simple to ask that. And yet somehow I couldn't do it. And no one I knew did it. I, what's going on there? I think this is the thing, when we talk about this as being like a cult, I do not think it is different from extreme conservative cults.For sure. Which exists across our society. Kids grow up in them. They are afraid to question them. They know that they will be shunned from their community if they question them, mean it's, no, it's not. And I think that's where you're getting it wrong. It's, yeah. Okay. It's not, I'm, I wasn't afraid of being shunned.I wasn't afraid of being isolated. I wasn't afraid of being kicked out and I see this also when I hear. People in conservative cults talk about their experience. It's not that per se, it's literally just not having anything question your worldview. It's, so, it's not even that insidious.It's just about a lack of and you lacked like the vocabulary to question your world. Yes. The mental vocabulary to say, is this wrong? So in the past, if somebody had come to you and engaged you with those questions, Would you have immediately thought they were evil? Would you have immediately thought that, would you have been able to engage them or that just like you were always open to be deconverted, just nobody ever questioned you, ever.You were never. I think that's really what's more happening in all these scenarios, and that's what was happening with me because I can't even imagine because no one ever asked me, no one ever questioned these things. A testament to your parents is they never really primed you as hatred.To people who are different from you? No, and I think that's not true for everyone. I think that there are people within both these conservative cults and these progressive cults that are primed to hate anybody who questions it. I'll buy that. Yeah. Or that that also dehumanize and other outside groups and that is totally not how my parents raised me.Yeah. Never. Clinton using the word deplorables and stuff like that, like just these people are less than human, but that isn't what's happening. Was would you argue that your. Experience is actually representative of a larger majority of the movement. Yes. I think, and I also think that most like cult-like environments don't do this evil exploitative stuff.I think that most are genuinely well-intentioned groups of people who just tend to echo chamber themselves into a state of insanity. So let's talk about some of the big things for you that were like big shifts. Gender roles, for example. I remember when we first met, you're like, oh, I would never consider taking a man's last name.Blah blah, blah. So talk about but also other things that we've adopted in, into our lives. I would never consider stepping back from the workplace, when you began to really think about gender roles, how did you decide that some of your views. Actually had value and you wanted to continue into your adult life, and then other of your views were sort of cultural artifacts of not really questioning them.I think what you taught me to do and what most people I would hope do with. Culty programming is to ask everything from a more pr first principles approach is, okay, first, what are my values? What do I actually care about? And then once you've worked at that out it's easier to answer all subsequent questions.Can you talk about your values right now so people understand what value seed it was that you built from? Yeah, there the things that influenced my lifestyle and like political decisions now, both. Are based on my genuine personal proclivities and also our inherent values and our core inherent values revolve around preserving.Interchange discussion and that kind of bouncing off of ideas that leads to innovation and human flourishing. So, we encourage we encourage debate first principles, thinking intentional action and plurality. And preserving that and encouraging that is something that's at the core of our collective values, we argue that. Progressive culture now is more of a monolith that when you scratch just beneath the surfaces of every progressive subculture, they're ultimately saying the same thing.And that conservative culture now is more defined by a coalition of very different ideologies, just trying to maintain cultural sovereignty, . But that's the can we don't have about economics and how those changed or your views on being a housewife or having kids, like any of that stuff.I think they, they only matured the way that most things mature for adults or mature for adults. I I'm certainly not trad wife. I think we believe more in a. A hybrid almost like we're, we go even further deep into tradition and that we believe in the corporate family and we're not like, oh, you should just be only a wife at home doing housekeeping.We're like no. You should, yes, you should be at home doing housekeeping while also running a business and raising kids all at the same time. Which is, very different. But I think yeah. One of the things that, when it comes to a lot of this, you wouldn't say, my views today, would you say that.Your views are now the views that I came into our relationship with, or it's more just that I caused you to question things. And now both of our views are highly different from where we were to start. 100%. Both of our views are different and they evolved together. And I think that's a really great aspect of.A, a culture that is first and foremost about Quest. Self questioning. Yeah. Solving as we get, we adapt when presented with new information. I think that's a, I think that's one of our core values here. And the thing that we wanna spread too is that we want the best ideas to win. And that means bringing in sometimes scary and offensive ideas and genuinely engaging with them.Because sometimes they're right, and if we're wrong, we would rather be corrected than to never find out that we're wrong and feel safe. Yeah. And we regularly change pretty dramatically our worldview on things. And this is where I think a lot of people misunderstand opportunity with us.So many people on Twitter will attack us, and they'll be like, look at this right here. This proves you're wrong. And then we go look at it and we're did you not Google the statistics on this before sending this to us? Because it doesn't support your position. I think people just aren't used to having that opportunity to genuinely change someone's mind.So they're so used to just sending out statistics that are overly biased towards their existing preconceptions that they don't expect somebody to go and then try to do literature review on the subject and then come back and say, okay, you lost your chance there, and I'm not going to engage with arguments like that again.But I'd love to know more of where do you see things going in the future? Where do you see, like, how would you deprogram people or do you think people even need to be deprogrammed from your environment growing up? Do you wish you had found an out, do you think you'd be mentally healthier today if you had found it out earlier?Or do you think that it was, okay to not find one until you were an adult? What are your thoughts on that? That's a good question. I think to a great extent it's better to become deprogrammed from your culture once you reach adulthood because I think when you become deprogrammed and you're still a minor and you don't have the rights of an adult, and you also don't have the ability to go out, get a job, live in your own place.Then the cognitive dissonance that you experience having to live a lifestyle and in a household that you don't inherently agree with can cause so much mental anguish and pain that it probably does more harm than good. I think being like a closeted whatever, like different person, a black sheep of the family is really painful and difficult and the more you can, put that off, the better.And maybe you have a different opinion about this. And I also feel like, maybe I'm wrong because, if the Amish have rum springer at a younger age, And, theor, I guess though it's at an age at which they could choose to never return and start their own independent life.I guess it depends, but that's my take. But what would yours be is it better to be deprogram early or as an adult? I actually I heard what you were saying. I had never thought of it that way, but I think you're absolutely right.I think at the end of the day, as long as our society is structured with parents being parents, like presumably one day some factions of our society could have like corporate raised kids or something, or government raised kids, and then that would be different. Or like child labor laws that allow people to become emancipated minors so long as is we expect people to be wards of a specific family. And with our existing adoption laws being what they are in adoption system being what they are, it's probably less emotional pain overall to not. Introduce people to other cultures until they reach the age at which they could support themselves, at which point it makes sense to in mass introduce them to other cultures and be like, okay.Now you get to choose, which is one of the things that we've really tried to set up for our kids is systems in place that ensure that they feel no obligation to continue on any aspect of our culture that we raise them with, that they don't feel was actively beneficial to them or that didn't cause any sort of emotional pain to them.So that we can have this intergenerational cultural improvement. While also maintaining aspects of harder cultures. And by that what I mean is stricter cultural rules. But many of these ideas I did not have when I met Simone, I was still, I was actually pretty you might think of this as like a conservative person meeting here.I was pretty progressive when I met you, right? Extremely. Yeah. Very, I was just more questioning at the time. Yeah. It was really like our relationship was much more like when I'm on YouTube and I hear a questioning Mormon meets a Mormon wife or husband who was like totally in on the church and then they slowly start questioning together.Instead of, me coming into this and saying, Oh, I have a totally different way of seeing things. Also, I, as I said, I think that there is, and I've said this in other videos where I talk about this concept of the super virus. I think what the progressive movement has become is no longer a movement about tolerance as much.And now that the movement no longer I feel tolerates diversity or. Tolerates people doing things in different ways. That and it says my way of doing things is correct and everything else is evil. Yeah, that is, we're having to lose a lot of sympathy. It's not just that though. And when you ask me like, when I should deprogram, I would definitely have been way worse off had I stayed in that culture specifically because I do inherently have a lot of issues around social anxiety.O c D now diagnosed autism. Right? Where I have a lot of reasons to fall into victimhood mindsets. And that is a very now predominant mindset in progressive culture. But it wasn't when you were growing up. Not, yeah, not so much. But talk about mindsets. We've got six minutes here. Yeah.The idea comes from in progressive culture, one of the top. Selling points essentially is that we will protect you from hurt feelings, we will protect you from pain. And one of the greatest evils is pain, mental or physical, or any sort of anguish or suffering. That, that is not okay.It's not okay for children to get hurt or beat up or to experience bullying or to, any adversities is bad. And ultimately that would cause me. Immense damage as an adult because it would give me an excuse to become a complete shut in. And when I met you, I couldn't go out to eat restaurant.Oh yeah. You were restaurant getting shut in. You didn't leave your house at all. No. Yeah I only left my home for work. I had to really force myself to get out. I. Really had to force myself to socialize and it was extremely scary for me. So all sorts of things were very difficult. Talk about how that felt.So how did your growing up lead to that outcome where you were afraid of engaging with the world at all? And how did engaging with me and beginning to think first principally and for yourself, get you outta that? I don't think it's the culture that made me feel that way. It's. My, it's the fact that I'm autistic and I've ocd and I don't, people stress me out.Culture help you outta that well, so no. Yeah, so deprogramming from progressive culture helped me out of that because progressive culture basically says, Oh, we must accommodate you. If you get really stressed out by being around people. If you get really stressed out by leaving the house, don't do it.Like you don't have to do it. You can stay inside. We're not gonna do anything that's gonna trigger you, et cetera. So it builds this cocoon of learned helplessness around you, whereas the culture that you and I developed from, thinking about things from a more first principles and questioning standpoint was suck it up.Things are hard. This is how you sharpen yourself. This is how you learn your own boundaries. This is how you build strength, adversity, and suffering is just part of the human condition. It's a signal that you learn. To navigate that is very informative, but that shouldn't make you never do things. And mentally, how did you.Feel versus those two mindsets when you were in one versus the other? Did you feel better when you hid from the world in any way, or? No, and it definitely leaning into, to protecting my my, my mental Or shielding myself from the world only made it worse. It's very similar to recovering from surgery.They want you up and walking as soon as you can so you get blood flow to the injured area, it recovers more quickly. You're not as likely to develop additional weird limbs and stuff that like make other parts of your body start to break and get misused. And I think, dealing with.Anxiety issues and other mental issues is a lot like that. Like you're gonna have to somewhat work through the pain to be able to recover enough to function as a human and working through the pain is part of the recovery process. And so I think a lot of that sort of exposure therapy has led me to be able to do things I could never imagine I could do.And I definitely feel less overall anxiety now because I'm just so accustomed now to throwing myself into completely terrifying situations and it's just a normal thing. And it is, no, it is no more. I think a lot how like humans have a baseline happiness level. I think humans also have a baseline anxiety level.And I actually think that our lifestyle now has my baseline anxiety level a little bit lower because I'm not doing things that exacerbated it, which is what I did when I tried to protect. And this is very interesting. So our viewers may think that Simone is the one who has like more timid in our relationship now, but it is absolutely the opposite.Being with her is what inspires me to take risks and put myself out there in endure suffering, in pursuit of my goals because, I look at her as an example and as such a shining example of the type of person I could be if I had her mental fortitude and the mental fortitude she has developed dwarfs. I even wonder if what I'm capable of, but I can try every day to reach her levels.And I don't know if that makes me simp to say that I really love and admire my wife and every day I am almost a ashamed at how great of a person you are and how much you embody the type of person I wish I could become, and how much you have shaped even that set of aspirations for myself.It's back at you. I think we each push each other to go further and I think by because each of us models what the other person believes we can become and tries to, to live up to that standard and be the person that you think we, we each think we can be makes a big difference.I just have to thank you so much for giving me the ability to see so much more than the myopic world that. I grew up in. I really love you, Malcolm. I'm so grateful for it. Thank you so much, Simone. I'm so glad to do these with you and talk with you. And I know these things can get us in trouble, but I think for people either on the conservative or progressive into the spectrum, it helps them see people who are open to outside opinions who do differ from them.Those that are able to engage with ideas without yelling. Just the idea of being like or dehumanizing people or saying, oh, you hate this group, or, oh, you hate that group. Because I, I think that's how we can improve and help ourselves, but also help our kids by exposing them to different ideas.Hopefully that's the hope. But we'll see. But hey, we've a roughly 18 year sales pitch. If we did a good job, they don't buy it and they say, Hey, your life kind of sucked. I am glad for them to try something better If we're wrong, we want them to be right. Yeah. At the very least, that's what it is to have kids right to.To understand that I lack the capability to iteratively improve as much in the next 30 years is I expect my kids to iteratively improve from the starting point we give them. Totally. I look forward to our next conversation already. Thanks Malcolm. Thank you. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a poor translation of the podcast: Hello, Malcolm. Hello, Simone is wonderful to be here again with you today. I'm very excited. What do we talk about? We are gonna talk today about our political philosophy and political philosophy in general, you actually changed the way that I look at politics and that I look at the value of running for elected office. And I think a lot of our views on. Government, economy, culture have really shifted over the past few years, so this should be fun to chat about, check in on this. Absolutely. Yeah. So I think we're gonna divide this into sort of three parts. First we're gonna discuss sort of our economics, because I think a lot of people, they see politics as existing on this spectrum of like, Economic conservatism to economic liberalism and then social conservatism to social liberalism or, or progressivism.Because you know, liberal, you can mean classically liberal, which is basically conservative, doesn't matter. Point being, that's the way that people largely divide this stuff. However, I think that it is wrong to think of things on these spectrums, and if you look at where we land politically, it's nowhere on this spectrum for either.Our economic or social beliefs. And then there's other beliefs like where we think about international engagement and stuff like that. So first, let's dive into our economics, because I realize we've been doing a lot of videos on things like communism and libertarianism, and it could give people a misunderstanding.Of what we really believe optimal economic policy looks like. So first I'd say sort of our larger political spectrum.   📍 📍 We call Bull Moose Republicanism which means that we, we take a lot of inspiration from the conservatism of Teddy Roosevelt and, and what that meant. And economically, what that means is very unlike libertarians. But also very similar to Libertarian philosophy in some way, which is to say we do think that government is intrinsically and always becomes evil, largely regardless of what the intentions are as a heavy governing body because it leads to inefficiency, which leads to enormous evil. An example is something like the, great leap forward in China, right?   📍 Which during a period of five years, by, some measurements, led to more death just due to inefficiency than the entire period of slavery in the United States, which I, I do as more like intentional evil.  And this is by some statistics, not by all something of you used like the most extreme data, but that you could get anywhere close to that just with inefficiency is.Shocking to me. So I think that we can just say inefficiency and then people can be like, oh, you must not really hate it. No, no, no. Like inefficiency is, is dramatically evil. It's a cancer. And you talk about that in the Pragmatist Guide to Governance. You talk about this bureaucratic inefficiency as literally being a kin.In fact, it it kind of, it is an almost literally analogous to cancer in organizations. Yeah. In that you get governing institutions and if every year you create 10 new governing institutions, Like say you're a city government or something like that. If just one of those institutions doesn't shut down when it's supposed to, you know, like a cell that doesn't stop doing what it's doing when it's supposed to and think, oh, my job is just to self-replicate.My job is just to acquire more resources. It will do that. And normally a governance structure will be good at getting rid of that. You know, we have things that kill the cancer in our bodies, but sometimes it'll hide and it'll convince the governing structure. It's actually useful. It's actually important.But here is where we're really different from Libertarians. So while we see large government as intrinsically evil, we also see this is where we take a lot of inspiration. For Teddy Roosevelt, trust busting is very important which is all large governing bodies be they companies. Or governments are intrinsically evil and the larger they get, the more of like a global governance structure you get, the more they will trend towards evil action.So we are as antagonistic towards a large institution like Google or Facebook as we are to the US governance system because these institutions. Are no longer really affected by economic forces. They begin to get ideas internally that can create little cults around what they think is good and what they think is evil, which can then be used to justify almost any action.And so I think that you do need some. Things to be handled by the government and some things to be handled by company. And one of the most important things that the government needs to do is to prevent power from coagulating in any area while still working to maintain international competitiveness.And this is a big problem here because a huge aspects of a country's international competitiveness is through these large companies. And so you need to build very. Unique. I mean, we wrote a whole book on this, the Fragment Guide to Governance, very unique governance systems to off play these two things.What are your thoughts on, on the economic side of things, Simone? Would you have more nuance or No, I mean, I, I think this is actually pretty standard government policy theory. I mean, when, when I. Did that technology policy masters at Cambridge. Like the, the common thing was I could tell you were like, oh, do I actually mention Cambridge?Am I gonna look like a, am I gonna name drop this? You, you, you like swallowed it for a second there, you're like, I'm not gonna do this. Yeah. Then I, yeah, I just vomited it. But yeah, I mean the very common thing is governments should intervene when there's a market failure. Period. And then otherwise they should not intervene.But then of course, the question is, what is the right way to intervene when there's a market failure? And I think that's where things start to fall apart. You could think of a government as a steward of a healthy ecosystem. And if you see that your pond is starting to stagnate and build a monoculture, you know, if it's being overcome by a certain type of scum, maybe you need to aerate the pond better.Maybe you need to make sure that water's flowing through it better, et cetera. So this is, it is about, Stewardship of systems and ensuring a diverse ecosystem, a functioning ecosystem, an evolving ecosystem, and a sustainable ecosystem. So you can look at it from that end. I mean, I think another part of our sort of bull moose style republicanism is our views towards conservationism which obviously Ted Roosevelt was very famous for.And I think if you look at. The existing environmentalist movement, I largely disagree with it. I think that the way that they are approaching climate change and stuff like that is not really data driven in a way that is just really damaging. So, I mean, the, the statistic we always come to here is that if you look at The Covid period where no one could drive cars, no one could fly planes like the world shut down to some extent.I mean, some people could, but it was huge, a huge change in everyone's everyday life. And we only just met the incremental change and carbon release we would need to cumulatively make on top of that every year for like the next 15 years to have a dent in climate change. What that showed me is that any sort of change that is pushed as a policy or something like that is always unrealistic.Anyone who's looking at the data right now could see that, that means the solution needs to be technological in, in origin. I'm wondering what your thoughts on, on that aspect of this are Simone, having started in the climate change industry, cuz you did. Yeah, I mean, I, I just, well, I think the bigger problem with the climate change industry is that it has become focused on signaling and not solving the problem because the problem can't be solved now.I mean, we have to accept the fact that climate change is going to happen. It's not something that we can stop. And now that what we need to do is to plan around it, which is exactly the approach that we've taken to advocacy, run demographic collapse. It's going to happen. Let's make sure it happens in his.Least damaging of a way is possible. And yeah, with these things like ai mm-hmm. It will transform human culture. Yeah. However, it's going to happen no matter what. So we have to plan around it. Demographic left, we'll transform human culture. Same with climate change. It's, it's, it's real. It will transform human culture.But there's really nothing we can do about it at this point. And there, yeah, there was anything we can do about it. The institutions of power in our society have cared about this issue deeply for a long time and taken really draconian action in relation to it. But it was a tragedy of the commons issue, meaning everyone needed to cooperate.And what we have learned as humans just suck at those kinds of issues unless you live under a worldwide dictatorship, which is almost certainly worse and would eventually drift away from these issues. But this is where it gets interesting because we as a society have conflated. Climate change with conservationism.Hmm. We misunderstand that conservationism can still have a role in conservative politics. If we are talking about things like endocrine disruptors, which are feminizing our society. That is a conservation issue that is an issue around lowering pollutants in our environment. However, we need more nimble structures tied to this.We don't need these existing large bureaucracies slowing down innovation tied to this. And I think it's possible to build more nimble structures that are in some ways more strict in our existing structures and more expansive and more actually looking at the science. Rather than ideologically motivated science while also understanding that the rural spaces of America, the wilds of America, are important in maintaining our traditional cultural values, whether that is hunting, which was always a huge motivator for its conservationism, for Teddy Roosevelt.  📍 And I think that when we look at real conservationism conservationism, for the sake. A saying, does it really mess up an environment to have a pipeline going through something? No, have 10 pipelines, but 25% more land under conservation. Obviously that's better, but that doesn't fit the existing progressive narrative. So it's just a different approach towards conservationism, which I think is more about preserving our traditional culture as well as. Protecting individual Americans from the effects of pollutants that are permanently changing our biology, and damaging to our larger health ecosystem.Well, I think that's, you know, what you said there in terms of nimble structures focused around solving things. I think that that also comes to another core element of our. Idealized utopian political philosophy, which is one in which we sort of support the concept of ad hoy rather than bureaucracy. But just to say with it, we, we like the idea of independent bodies and resources coalescing together to achieve something and then dissolving when that's achieved.So there's nothing permanent. There's no reason for it to sustain itself. There's no incentive for it to try to survive. Or get more resources for itself because it is only there to achieve a certain outcome. But I, think, I, came into our relationship and our working together politically with that view of like, basically bureaucracies are inherently.Broken. There's no point in me getting involved with them. I should never get involved with government. I should only try to enact difference through business, which is why I didn't study as an undergrad you know, government or anything else. I wanted to go straight into business. Cause I thought that's the way that you make an impact.Even when that was back when I was an environmentalist like advocate, I thought, well, and then environmental and business, that's what I'm gonna do. Until I discovered that it was, you know, broken and people weren't doing it right. Yeah. But you actually changed my view. About the value of running for elected office of entering government influence there.And I'd love for you to talk a little bit more about your thoughts around the, the role that elected officials play when. It would seem intuitively that there's no point to it, because basically to play the game, you have to get so corrupt and you have to trade so many favors that ultimately from a policy standpoint, you can be kind of feckless, it seems. I, I'd love you for you to elaborate on this. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that, that, here, the answer is, is that it, you could often forget the actual size of the US government and the impact it can have, especially at the state level. Mm-hmm.   📍 📍 Especially at the Purple State level where you know it's not just about ideology and you can actually look at solving things because there is some balance between the two political parties. And I think that's where there is a lot of opportunity and also opportunity to move the Overton window to some extent around ideas. If we can move that Overton window if we can change the way things are done. When you look at the things that state controls, like the education system, what's being taught there, regulation systems around things like daycares and stuff like that, like just about our daily lives and the issues we care about, there's a ton that can be done there.And this brings me to sort of the final axis or another really important axis. Of a person's political ideology, which is their social politics. And so a lot of people look at our social politics and they are like, you sound very socially progressive in many ways, yet you seem to hate most the social progressive side of the progressive party.Why is that? And this is something we talk a lot about, the pragmatist guided to crafting religion. And we go over it a lot, but it has to do with the way we sort of see societal forces right now as being sort of two core things. You have this urban monoculture, which is progressivism to large extent, and it didn't exist before the internet.Essentially, it's a. Virulent mimetic set that begin to evolve,   📍 like a super virus would evolve in a hospital. When you put all of these immunocompromised cultures together in super cities and on the internet and it began to infe traditional.  Movements and ideologies and hollow them out and then begin to wear them like skin suits, whether it's the traditional, feminist movement or the traditional L G B T movement or the traditional and even religious movements, you know, whether you're looking at.Progressive Muslims or progressive Unitarian universalists. I guess there's only progressive Unitarian universalists now, or progressive Jews or progressive Catholics. When you scratch beneath the surface of their superficial traditions, they often have very similar views about the world from morality to the direction they think society should go to.Their views on gender to their views on sexuality. To their views on a woman's role in a family pretty much everything is the same now, and this was not the case. Kids who grew up with this don't understand this was not the case of Democrats. 40 years ago, heavens Smith heavens, they all had different beliefs.They were an alliance of different groups that had , loosely aligned goals, but there was genuine diversity within the movement. Now there is so little ideological diversity. When I contrast it. With what I see, the new Republican movement becoming the new conservative movement and conservative is really the wrong word for it.I call it more the anti-authoritarian movement. And let's talk about what this progressive hive mind is fighting for first. So we can sort of define its goals. It is fighting to remove in the moment pain from our society, specifically emotional pain. It is optimized almost entirely around a negative utilitarian framework where it sees people's lives as being predominated by suffering and thus, the happy emotions or the positive emotions that somebody feels in life can largely be ignored. The goal is all around how do we lessen suffering? And you can seize this in a lot of its policies where they can seem or, positions where they can seem really, Silly in the moment you're like, wait, what?Like clearly something like , the HAES movement, you know, the healthy at every size movement which has good intentions, but now has essentially within the university body become, don't tell people that being overweight is unhealthy because that causes emotional pain and that in the moment emotional pain is worse than any long-term.Don't even do research that could show that because any long-term implications of that le research are worse than the in the moment. And you see this around the way that it judges whether any individual thing is good or bad. Does it cause, does this fact, does this faction cause in the moment emotional pain to any sliver of society?If it does, then it should not be pursued and it should not be disseminated and it should not be investigated. And within a certain philosophical framework, within a negative utilitarian view, this is logical. Then you have the Republican side, and what they're really optimized around is preserving traditional and diverse cultural frameworks into the future.And all of the issues where they come to blows with the progressive movement often, most virulently today are where those two issues come to head. Do they feel like their kids are being peeled away from them in the school system? And if they do feel that how do they react to that as a cultural movement, which is of, of course, really negatively because that's their entire modus operandi, preserve our traditions and our unique culture into the future.Now the, the danger, and I should say, I don't think. The progressive individuals are in any way evil or bad people any more than, you know, your average Catholic was a bad person back when some European cultures were dominated by Catholic. Monarchies that were like really top down in the way they ran things and killed people because they had different beliefs or tried to peel people's kids out or tried to mass convert people.And the same happened with the Protestant monarchies. You know, when they had total power, they would often run that top down. Often if you are in the culturally dominant faction, you can begin to just conceive of every other way of viewing the world as some sort of deplorable thing that needs to be.Erased and fixed and that your way of seeing things is correct, just obviously correct. And their way of seeing things is obviously wrong. And so you look at the way that the progressive movement sees something like sexuality or, gender , and they're just like, no, but this is the obviously correct way to see gender or sexuality.Yet if we look historically, There are plenty of traditionalist approaches to this that are very different, whether you're talking about the two-spirit people or like in traditional Muslim culture where you're, you know, if you are gay, you are supposed to convert to become transgender because that is the way that you deal with same sex attraction.And I'm not saying that any of these are right and wrong. What I'm saying is that from my cultural perspective, what I believe is that we should allow. Children to deconvert out of their parents' tradition, always. We should have systems where children are at least aware that different options exist, which I think was the internet and broad technological access.Kids always do, but we should never have systematized conversion campaigns that are implemented by our government. To make people aware of, or even worse, convert them to the correct culture, especially when that correct culture, like I might be able to get behind this large urban monoculture if it was functioning, if it was able to motivate above repopulation reproduction.But it doesn't, it survives by taking people, taking children from these surrounding healthy cultures and using it to replenish its ranks because it is unable to motivate its members to have kids. And the, and you could just look at the statistics, like the differential infertility rates are astonishingly large and it's like double when you're dealing with far con or more than double, like four times when you're dealing with far conservatives versus as far progressive.I have to look at the statistics. Is this astonishingly big? And so what we fight for here is just the preservation, our social policies or the preservation of diverse cultural traditions. And by that what we mean is families should be able to send their kids to school or send their kids to daycare or send their kids to any system with the understanding that that system won't see it as one of their mandates to erase that Parent's cultural traditions or anything that's different from mainstream society.That that parent is doing was in their household. And this is also the way we see child rearing, you know, less interaction from government forces that try to say, this is the way you should raise your child and this is the way you shouldn't raise your child. And, government may have some mandate there if the dominant monoculture in our society wasn't so bad at motivating people to have kids.Because, well, and it's not just about which, culture creates high birth rates. It's about which culture creates higher rates of health. Both mental and physical, which we're really not seeing, you know, we're even seeing, I think, a little bit of a slight decline in life expectancy in the United States.That is that is very, very thorough failure to, what was that shocking statistic? Something like one in 10 kids had thought about suicide in school in the last year. Yeah. Teen, adolescent mental health right now is plummeting, especially among women. Yeah. This is not a culture that is, that is thriving by, Any measure as far as I can tell.And it, it is that, well it's, it's thriving much less than traditionalist cultures. So you look, since Pew started doing recordings of statistics, American conservatives have been happier than American progressives by a dramatic margin. And so. If we are looking, I, I do think that kids should always have the opportunity to leave their family's culture when they come of age or when they start supporting themselves, but , if a person is saying, I am going to take on the cost, and it is a huge cost in terms of emotional and financial effort to raise kids, then that family should be allowed to raise kids without feeling like those kids are.Constantly of risk of being convinced to hate them whenever they let those kids leave their sight, or that they're not allowed to raise their kids in the style that they see as the most appropriate and optimal for their kids. But at the same time, we, we want every child raised in any culture to have the freedom.To leave that culture if they want to. So, you know, when they start supporting themselves. When they start supporting themselves. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I think, it is a nuanced issue, but it doesn't have, well, I think that you can, you can add more leeway there. So, for example, this is not something that exists in our current society, but it is something I would support if there were cultural traditions.Like say a certain progressive cultural traditions that would fund places where kids could go before they turned of age. And they could go to those places and they could a cultural refugee camp for teens. Yeah. And they could live a progressive lifestyle. Fine. Mm-hmm. But they would have to support that and they would have to build that for it.Yeah. And there are some of those that exist and I support that. What I don't support is using the parent's own money in terms of tax dollars to turn around and turn the public schools into that. Mm-hmm. That is not ethical. And so it's sort of a push for maximum genuine cultural diversity and cultural experimentation.Yeah. While also fighting against large scale institutions. Well, and then, you know, I think a big basis of a lot of our political philosophy is consent, so, exactly. Yeah. If something is non-consensual, I don't care what. Political spectrum. It's on, we're probably against it. That's like the easiest rule of thumb to, to predict our political philosophy.Is there something non-consensual on this? Okay. Then probably we don't support it. Well, and, consent applies with parents to their kids along the way. Consent legally applies to parents, to kids, which is a, minor, cannot consent to certain things. Mm-hmm. Because we don't trust minors to consent to many things.Hmm. And, and so ultimately, we are okay with, with parents having a mandate there. And if people think that kids shouldn't be raised in those type of families, well then they should have kids and raise them in different types of families. Mm-hmm. Or find ways to support kids. Instead of just saying the government should support kids.Mm-hmm. Because I think that and, and this is also where we're different from many conservative factions, is some conservative factions. I just call them progressives in disguise.   📍 📍 They're just waiting until lyric culture gains dominance at the state level. So that they can force it on other people through the government,  through the school system, through books they get rid of in libraries through. Anything like that and, wherever that happens, I see. That is evil. Mm-hmm. You, you should never be able to enforce your culture on another person. And, to that extent, those cultures are just fair weather fins right now to us. Yes, we are aligned in the conservative movement and we are really aligned in the conservative movement right now.And I think that this is something that the progressive movement is missing to a large extent. If you look at young conservatives, you can look at the largest influencer in the young conservative movement, which was Andrew Tate. You know, last year, number one influencer among Gen Z, he converted to Islam.And what we saw was not outpourings of hate from the conservative Christian community. They were like, great, this is better than the way things were before. You know, you have found some. Religious tradition that you take inspiration from. And what I think we're seeing here is an increasing alliance across the conservative traditions from at least within the us This is less true in, in Europe right now, but I think we'll eventually see it there as well from the conservative Muslims to the conservative Christians, to the conservative Jews, to the conservative.Anything else? Which, which is just means that they have some connection. To an intergenerational idea of cultural identity. And I think that that's really interesting to me and, and a movement that I can get behind when I see this true cultural pluralism of people with genuinely different beliefs about the world coming together.And I actually think that this is one of the reasons we're gonna see a major shift towards the conservative movement going forwards, is if you look at the immigrant populations in many of these countries, they do align much more with this conservative ideology. Then they align with any of the progressive social ideologies.And so the only advantage is in the economic front often but even there, many of them are much more conservative economically. And I do think that it is possible for the conservative party to begin to shift its ideas around immigration. If you look at the way the younger conservative. Party sees the world.And by that what I mean is no longer do we live in a world where the game is your country versus other countries. It is your culture versus other cultures , which is one of the reasons we fight for cultural diversity cuz we're a minority culture.So if the, if one faction gains power, they'll try to erase us. But if the progressives gain power, they'll try to erase us as well. So we benefit from ensuring, this, this level of cultural diversity. But I think that the conservative factions, because they're all now minorities, they also benefit from trying to encourage cultural diversity if the game is no longer Ensure that my country dominates other countries, but instead ensure that my country is a safe place for people who are different in the way that I am different,right. Would you add to any of that or elaborate on it? No, I mean, I would just say I also think that those environments that are more pl pluralistic will be the most healthy. You're not going to see a competitive advantage hold in any environment. That doesn't allow for disagreeing groups to bounce I ideas off each other because that is how they sharpen each other and we see this in a bunch of different places, more pluralistic.Cross pollinated cultures and nations are sharper. They're, they have a competitive advantage, not just from a birth rate perspective, which we see, we think we see. But also from an economic perspective. Well, if you talk about the birth rate thing, so if you look individually, like if you're looking at this from the perspective of my culture survives into the future.You look at this old mindset the mindset that Putin's running off of, which is just completely stupid. His country already had a very low fertility rate. They're out there killing other people who are culturally very similar to them. And that also had a very low birth rate basically.Deleting an entire generation in both countries is going to be devastating to that cultural group. In the long run, they basically have no shot and they're already doing very poorly sort of in economic scenarios where if you look at the world more broadly, you look at the people who have won this game who say, okay, I want to create like one ethnicity, one culture, one country.They have incredibly low fertility rates. These are the groups that are going to disappear. You look at countries like Korea, right, that have done this. And, if you look at the list of prosperous countries with low fertility rates, the vast majority of the countries on those lists are essentially monocultures.Whereas if you look at the countries that have been most resistant to prosperity induced fertility collapse, like the United States like Israel, they are some of the most diverse. Cross pollinated cultural groups in the world. And it is better for every group in that pluralistic ecosystem. And now that the world's on hard mode with, AI girlfriends and being able to lose yourself in online environments, you really need to sharpen yourself.You cannot afford this type of cultural isolationism that, maybe used to make sense in the old World War. Exactly. Yeah. And any, culture or government. That is coercive, that tries to homogenize everything is ultimately going to extinguish even itself, which I think is very interesting.Yeah. So if you are very xenophobic, if you are very fascist or whatever, it's oddly in your best interest and not to try to convert everyone. It's oddly in your best interest not to be coercive. Because in the end you are only shooting yourself on my foot. Mm-hmm. Yeah.But you know, I was talking about world orders. I actually think, we talk about this concept of a. New world order to any extent. Not the conspiracy theory, but the idea that the world is now revolving around a new sort of axis where the world's power structures used to be in a fight between communism and capitalism.And I no longer think that's the debate that anyone's having anymore. Now it's around independent cultural sovereignty versus globalism. And I think that that is the new. Access that the world is tilting around. Hmm. But the globalist faction has the majority of power at this point, and they have essentially won.We are living in a post globalist world and. That now that they've won, I think they have created cultural pressures that they didn't anticipate, which are vastly changing the game for everyone. And that if we still want to live in a pluralistic future the, the globalists are your enemy.If you want a world of genuine diversity, diversity of ideas, diversity of approaches, diversity of ways of seeing things then it's important to recognize that the game has changed. And this isn't the same game that anyone was playing . And no one in power at least, is really fighting for communism or capitalism anymore.It's cultural, sovereign to your globalism. That's the only game. And then it's different levels of bureaucracy at the top. Are you saying that people aren't fighting for socialism slash communism because anyone who is, is more just involved in some kind of aesthetic debate and just trying to not do work?Because I still feel like that's a big debate. No, no, no. At ground level, people are fighting for this stuff, but none of them have positions of power anymore. Okay, so you mean among those with power and agency in the world, the fight is becoming increasingly about sovereignty versus globalism? Yes. Okay.Interesting. Yeah, I thought that brings fairly true. I like it. Yeah, I like it. Well, and it, it's, it's, it's, it's, these people are still arguing, but they are increasingly isolated to increasingly pointless places online and in society and that the people in positions of power might use Arguments around things like socialism or communism to try to expand the size of sort of the larger globalist government framework.Hmm. Or, or sort of the monocultures reach. But outside of that I don't think that there is any real push for those things anymore outside of at the level of like crazy isolated dictators. Interesting. Well, and maybe even they aren't really fighting for it. So that's, yeah. Huh. Is there anything you would add or is that in a nutshell?No, no. Yeah, so just Bull Moose, bull Moose Republicanism. But it, is like, I, I wish it were like rough writer republicanism. That, that sounds better. Rough writer something. Rough writer. Republicanism. Yes. You know, very offensive group, I think by today's standards, but I do love his A sort of Marshall masculine idea that came from this very nerdy guy. Cause he was an ultra nerd who had these. Almost childlike visions of masculinity that I think aligns with the existing Republican party. And, and I do think when you look at the Republican base today, the core thing that unites them is this anti-fascist tendency.Hmm. They just don't want people reaching into their daily lives and, and telling them how to raise their kids, how their cultures should work, and the correct way to, to operate their cultures. And I think that because of that I can really sympathize and find allegiance with those factions. Let's build those ties.I love hearing you talk about these things. This is fun. Thank you, Malcolm. I love you, gorgeous. I'm looking forward for our next conversation. I had none of these ideas without her. She talked me through all this and helping her sort of break her brainwashing to an extent was. Thing for me. I, I'd love to talk about that next then.Let's do it, and we'll see you on the flip side, friend. All right. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a very bad automatically translated audio transcript of the episode: Hello, Malcolm. Hello, Simone. It's wonderful to be here with you today. What are we talking about? We are talking about Reddit, which is one of our favorite places on the internet, even when it hates us, right? Oh no. Is this gonna be one of those ones where you read mean things to me and I have to react? I would love that, honestly.  Sometimes people ping our accounts because they know us, like they know who we are. Yeah. On Reddit. And so I'll get a little email notification. And then there's some really long thread that talks about how we're terrible people. Well I love that, that No, that's great.Yeah, I personally really enjoy seeing people get roasted online, but I also wonder what those people think about their comments about them. And so I think we're only doing the internet a service by. Offering our thoughts to those who might care to your No, I, I agree. I, I I always want to do one of those, those Bain things when people are like, oh, people are making fun of you online.Like, are you scared? And it's like, I, I, you know, I was born in the darkness. You, I was born in the cri Yes. Sorry. I, I proposed to her on Reddit. With like brownies and stuff. I love, people are like, they think we have this like elite self image or something. It's like we have been unapologetically nerdy from day one.I do not know where anyone started calling us Elite elite gamers, maybe as I say, but I don't think yeah. All right, so let's go over these red if thread heads. Well, and it's so context. The Reddit thread that we're going over is one that posted a or show them a picture. You can see like, yeah. So someone posted a screenshot of, I think a tweet about us and specifically a Telegraph article.That framed us as the elite couples breeding to save mankind. Which is how the telegraph chose to frame our prenatal advocacy. And I think what really got people about that is, By the way, this is their words, not ours. It's not like we show up and like talk to journalists about our S advocacy and we're like, well, we'll only speak to you if you frame us as elites and breeders, as as elite, as an elite couple, as as elite breeders.I think that we care about prenatal because we think our genes are superior to everyone else's. It like, What that narrative people wanna hear. Right? They don't, they don't wanna actually engage with any of the ideas cuz they may have to change the views on the world. So, oh, God forbid. Yes. So anyway, somebody, let's go, let's go.Somebody tweeted somebody tweeted this or they posted an image of someone saying, I'm honestly struggling to come up with a joke about this. I'm just super confused. What makes them elite? The fact that they look like nearsighted, parsnips, what am I missing here? The first comment is how are they elite?And yet they both look 14 and 40 at the same time, which is I guess both a, a compliment and, well, y'all around 40, so. Well, to me it's, it's kind of an insult, right? Because I identify as a 62 year old woman and, you know, they're off by like, you know, quite, quite a few years, but that one's not biting enough.Let's keep going. Hmm. Well, they say it's all in our clothes that, that we, we dress old. And, and therefore, but I think it's cuz you have a baby face that you look young. Think I have a baby face. I have a youthful face. A youthful, okay. Youthful. Ok. Oh, baby prints should have a bunch of fat on it. Okay.I have, oh, I have a, a teenager phase. You have a teenager. You have a youthful spring in your step. I think it's low amounts of. You know, if, if, if you, well, that's what someone says here, that we haven't had enough stress in our life to display as grown up as most people perceive it. So our phenotype will continue to stay as it is.Say I actually, that's true. I, I think that stress ages people and I think that you sort of get a certain number of units of stress in your life as opposed to years of age. Mm-hmm. So agree with that. Common. A hundred percent agree. Yeah. They see you. Either there's something we haven't had stressful things happen to us, like Simone knows my origin story.Like I, I've had a. Both of us have had very stressful lives. The answer is whether or not you allow the stress to eat at you or whether or not you choose just to not feel it and, and just move on with things. Well, they say we're either the most chill and laid back people ever, or so incredibly privileged.We can't even imagine. They, they, they have a guess, of course, that we are so privileged and out of touch that we would never show age because like vampires who feast on the blood of, of the weak, we benefit from, you know, I don't know the, the, the disempowered. More people emphasize that we're, we look like we're in our mid twenties, but we dress like boomers.And some people think that we are trying to use the fact that we. Like having sex to justify like, I guess that we are prenatal because we need a reason to look intelligent for liking sex enough to have a lot of kids. Can you read the comment? Yeah. They're breeding to save mankind. We all know what kind they are.Dudes, it's okay to admit you like orgasms. No need to bring it to the future of the human race. Hopefully that's the weirdest thing. I will write all day. Okay, well, so this is really interesting for two front. One is this whole idea of kind like our whole organization. Everything we focus on is on preserving human diversity.I know that people like us are gonna be okay because we'll make sure they're okay with our own breeding efforts. The only reason we're public about this is cause we want people not like us to also exist in the future. You know, as we often say, if we have just eight kids, which we're definitely gonna have, and they have eight kids, And you do that for just 11 generations or we will, unless something goes majorly wrong, you know, that's more descendants to live honors today.I'm not worried about people like us in terms of the second point there, which I find really interesting cause it's something to get all the time, is people being like, you have a breeding fetish our kids are produced through ivf so.That's nonsensical, but it's, I think, a sign as to how depraved our society has become through this sort of ideological mind virus that has infected, you know, urban populations in our society and, and the universities of our society progressivist of more broadly. But there's this specific brand of it that's really just like this virus that eats the way people sees the world, so they're no longer able to consider other ideas.And. Th they are not able to imagine a reason for a person to do something outside of sexual gratification or it being a portion of their sexual or gender identity to the extent that they're not able to imagine why we would ideologically be interested in continuing the human race. Well, one person I would say has taken both of those arguments that they, that you've made or both of those concepts, but like also completely misinterpreted them.Okay? So this person says these two are specifically convinced that it's their responsibility to populate the world with their very special genes. And they have plans and I think either contracts or pledges demanded that each of their descendants have at least eight kids for the next 11 generations. I honestly would not.Be surprised to discover they'd never had sex and did it all through ivf so, well, we didn't do it all through ivf, so they are very right. We do not have any sort of contractor pledge like that or anything. It's more just I, I think if you look at the, the, the groups that are high fertility in the face of prosperity, they are often groups with distinct and defined cultures, which we have.I mean, that's what makes us cringe because we're different from mainstream society. We go against that. And in addition to that that they are able to pitch to their kids. The, the way that their culture is different, one of which for us is having a lot of kids is a better way to be than what the sort of mainstream social pressures are selling you.And if we can't make that pitch, then our kids will go off with regular society or they'll try to outdo us by creating something better, both of which are things we encourage. You know, you get 18 years to make a pitch to your kids to follow. In your cultural footsteps or that the way that you're doing things is a good way to do things.If you fail to make that pitch, then your kids should be doing something different. Unless they've been in some way, you know, converted, using shady tactics like bullying or threats or like, you can't get a job unless you publicly express these views or stuff like that. I mean, that's the way that much of the world used to Deconvert Jewish populations, which is why like the crypto Jews were the only rural Jews to exist in like Spain and stuff like that.It's, it's very effective when you tell someone, oh, you can't get a job if you hold a specific, you know, belief system or. You can't. Side note though, crypto Jews needs to be like a new, like, sorry, we, I just No, I know. No, no. But like uneducated might think we mean Jews who are into crypto. I know Crypto Jews was a faction of Jews.It was a rural population of Jews that lived in Spain during like the 18 hundreds. And a portion of them migrated to the Americas and they exist in Low percentages, but it's a, a fairly unique Jewish culture that exists in the countryside, was in Mexico today, and it's however, the book pragmatist guy to crafting religion, if you're interested in like rare religious denominations,   So they also comment on our children. They refer to our choice to name our youngest daughter, our first daughter Titan Invictus, that name, which is awesome.They say, I'm rolling my eyes as hard as I can right now. Another person says, I'm sorry, Titan Invictus. Are they breeding elite children or super villains? This is the Harvard law version of Naming Your Kid, Coachella, Harambe, which. I love that. I agree. Well, so it really is so dear I super villains who doesn't want you know, like out of, out of all of our children, if we had one real super villain, that'd be a lot of fun.But in addition to that, why we name our kids something different. One, it's our cultural heritage. Like we do often say we're secular Calvinist, we come from Calvinist tradition and no attempt determinism has always been a tradition. That's why you get a lot of names in Calvinist culture like, Chastity or purity or, or increase?Increase Mathers or incre. You know, so you, you, you, yeah. It's just a tradition thing and so we try to name our kids things that align with our values. Another great comment that I quite enjoy is that article should have been titled, rich People Are F*****g Tone Deaf. You all know it, but here are some more examples, which is great.I like that. That's a good joke. Yeah. It follows our, our, our thing on humor, which is humor is one of those things. The, the is unexpected, but it makes sense when you considered it in context and Yeah. But we're not actually that rich, so I love that. That's the one thing that no one ever questions though.Yeah. They're like, they question our motives. They think that we think our, our genes are superior, which we don't. They think that we are eugenicists, which we aren't. They think all these things, the one thing they will never question is that we are wealthy. One of my favorites was, it's one. I've looked into it.I don't even think they're billionaires. You think? Exactly. Ok. You think guys, detective. Yeah. Or Detective Duffey that, sir, that's the meme. Continue. People are again, so disturbed by our choice to name our daughter Titan Invictus. One person says, ignoring the thinking Titan Invictus is in any way suitable name for a child and not an invitation to bully the s**t out of them.Her daughter, I'd have almost understood if they inflicted that on a boy. But in what warped Hapsburg world do you chain that millstone to a girl? They also note that her name should be Titania and Victor. The, which we, we know we specifically named her male names, which we do with all of the girls in our family.You could read our book for why we do that. I mean, it, it does lead to. Higher income, statistically speaking, lower levels of psychological illnesses and stuff like that. Like there's a manif, a ton of reasons, but also we don't like if you talk about the ways our culture is different from other cultures, people are like, people will bully them.It's like I was bullied as a kid. You were bullied as a kid. You want to some extent if you are different from mainstream society for your kids to undergo some level of bullying so they know the type of person they don't want to be like, or as one of the commenters put it, they wanted to avoid something effeminate.So they picked a seventies male porn star name. Yes. Tightened is the seventies male porn star name. I guess I don't watch enough porn. I'm not, no. Maybe it just sounds like that. But they also point out that quote, it's a f*****g font unquote, but that's okay. Font names are crazy. Is it a font? Hold on.You mentioned this before and I'm gonna look this up. Yeah. That's a, a recurring joke in this thread is that Titan Invictus. Is a font, which I, it's definitely not a fault. It, it would actually be fun about our kids if all of our if someone had a family of children that was just font names. Because honestly I say Vitus is a font and Titan is a font.  Let's see. This is, so one person says, this is so ridiculously cringe.They watched idiocy and took the premise from the prologue at face value and decided they did not want to be the couple who waited too long. And for some reason, the richest man in the galaxy is for telling population collapse. Like a cold reader with a crystal ball absolutely abominable, even for the telegraph.I, you know, we've actually seen a lot of this people saying that like, We're just re like trying to live out the plot of Idiocracy, which is odd. I mean, first Idiocracy is a movie in which doesn't the, the leader of the, of the known world, like try to appoint the smartest person possible to solve their problems.Well, I I love how reasonable that is. But no, what they mean by Idiocracy is just the idea that Smart people have less kids, which is just an objective fact of reality today. And that the, the, the secondary belief that some portion of IQ has a hereditary component, which is mainstream academic consensus today, just look up the Wikipedia article on this.It is, it is not academic consensus that any of this is ethnically linked or anything like that, but that, broadly speaking, there are some genetic correlates to iq. That is just so obvious from the research. And so if people with those genetic correlates are having kids at lower rates and it's not just people with lower IQs, people with those genetic correlates, you can see this in the data IQ would drop in a population overall.However, that is not what's concerning to us. Like it is something that is like objectively happening in the world, but it is also something that is just disinteresting to us. Because what we're more concerned about is all of the cultures that are dying out and the vastly less diverse world that our children are going to inherit, which doesn't seem to be what anyone thinks.And I think that's the interesting thing about articles that are. More likely to be shared about our peritus advocacy. They're not at all about that. They're not about prenatal attitude. Hard can't spark views about that because it's something that's obviously happening and nobody wants to take a stance against it.Yeah. What, what instead get shared is anything that insinuates. These people think that they're superior somehow. Look at them, they're trying to reproduce how disgusting. And then everyone just jumps on it because it's so delicious. Which is more of what we're getting. If they say, one person says, if they're so scientific and into eugenics, they would have at least done some testing and measurements to prove their genes are that good.It seems like they're just sitting on ignorance, peak of the intellect curve. Quote, I can't imagine someone smarter than me, so I must be the smartest. If someone had at least proven they had greater immunity, intelligence, healing, and lack of genetic diseases than almost anyone else. Eugenics would still suck, but at least they would have a reason that it should be them.So, I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. That people look at what we're doing and they think that in some way we think we're better than other people. Yeah. We're, we are broadcasting the idea that more people need to have more kids. Because we don't just want our descendants in the future because we think the world would be lesser if it's just people like us and we are editing our DNA like we are, well, not editing, but like, you know, selecting based on, on, on genomes the embryos that we choose to use, in part because we don't think our jeans are perfect.Like we wouldn't be doing all this if we thought we had great jeans. Yeah, it's very confusing. Like I, it requires no intellectual engagement with anything we've put out there, but continue well, one end, there's a compliment. One person says, I thought this was the guy from the Kingsman movies, which is, ah, but then, you know, a lot of people are very insulted that someone would ever.Ever imply that because we are evil and disgusting, so what is that? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Cause we're not, we're not on board with there complete. Like, this is what's true in the world today. If you say anything else, then you are evil. That's what the virus says. A lot of people are saying that we are self-proclaimed elites, which is interesting because we didn't, we didn't call ourselves Yahoo News was the one who actually first used that term.I really like this one comment, house Hunters Arian edition. She's a lesbian muse for Philadelphia's worst beat poet. He looked, he booked a LensCrafter spot eight years ago and turned it into his whole personality. Their budget is 4.7 million. I love, glasses are like our thing. Like, yeah. No, there seems to be a correlation.I noticed there's a lot in online comments. Between lens thickness. Both of us are wearing really thick lens or not, sorry, not lens frame thickness. So we're wearing thick framed glasses in, in the picture, and people seem to think that that correlates with lens strength, even though I don't technically even need to wear glasses.Which is interesting. I think they're not familiar why you wear glasses. I wear glasses because research has indicated that while glasses make you seem less attractive and approachable, they make you seem more smart and competent. And I would much rather be seen as smart and competent than attractive and approachable.So if, if you're gonna live in a prejudice society, you may as well twist it to your advantage. Yes. Yeah. A couple people have commented on wealthy people supposedly thinking that wealth is a genetic trait in conflating that. I don't know why Earning, earning potential is a genetic trait. You can even, that's the thing, a picture of it from like your Nebula score.Yeah. That like literally if, if you log onto Nebula and like you do a full sequence, you, you can literally see a polygenic risk score for your earning potential. Yeah. People have done that correlate before. It's, it's very genetic. Yeah. So not that interesting. Again, not that we are breeding because.We're trying to increase our traits in the future. Yeah. Another person says, we look like gender swapped versions of the same person, which ties into the already floated online theory that we are just the same person. That's my favorite conspiracy theory about it. Cosplaying is the other person, same person.Cosplaying is the other person. You're same person co playing as the other one. That's why, like we're not in the same room in these clips. Well, yeah, because, you know, I have to like record this again and again. It's. It's very difficult. I honestly think that, you know, we should get credit for that. I'd be very impressed if somebody pulled that off.One person guarantees we get divorced within two years, so start the timer. People let's, you know, put out a prediction market. Put some money on this. It's simply not true. I kick rude if you wanted to divorce me. You don't know how much, how much of my life I have outsourced to her. And, and it u though we kind of really need each other.No, but Simon, I would, I would be really boned, so please don't, don't die. One person says that we look like Rain Wilson until the Swinton bumping Ugl to compensate for the overpopulation of stupid people. Yeah. What does, what does Rain Wilson look like? I know until the, oh, he's white. Dwight from yeah, right from the office.Oh my God. Tilda Swinton looks like my mother, so I see it. I, I can see if like, I look like you look, kinda, look like Hildas Entin, but my mother looks more like til attractive when she was younger. Let's see. Tilda Swinton. Young man. Tilda Swinton. Tilda Swinton's. Like she's, she's all right. I, I'll take it.Tilda, that's a teenager. Looks a lot like you. Oh, really? Stractive sweet. Okay. So I'll take that. You get Kingsman that good when you're that age. Yeah. And I get tilted. I don't think I look like Dwight at all. No, you don't. But someone also thought you were the Kingsman, so like, you know, that's, you get that and I get Tilda Swinton.That's exciting. Mm-hmm. People continue to call us eugenics or eugenicists, so let's just. Let's be clear. When Wikipedia defines eugenics, it has sort of two core components. One of those components is. Those practicing eugenics have concluded that there are some traits that are universally good in some way, universally desirable or not desirable.And then the second element is that they in some coercive way, are trying to impose Proliferation of that good trait or elimination of that bad trait. Divorce, if it could be through money. Like maybe they give people money for people who have those traits of breeding. Mm-hmm. Both of those things are antithetical to everything our movements stands for.Exactly. We believe some. Cultures believe that certain genetic traits are better than others, and within our family unit we may select some, but what we like is that the, the utility of this genetic technology will allow for new forms of humanity and iterations of human diversity to emerge based on cultural preferences, which is what is so exciting.And in addition to that, everything we do is fighting against any of this technology ever being used in a coercive manner. We do fight to make the technology cheaper for people to use so that it's not only available to like the wealthy, but Yeah. All of that is just so we're like anti angiogenesis is it's what I, what I call our position because it's, it's one of those things where people are like, oh, you're on a.A soccer field, you must be on the red team. And it's like, no, we're on the blue team. Like, yes, we're both on the same soccer field, but we're literally on opposite teams. Yes, we're on the same soccer field in that we admit that humans have genes and that those genes affect things like a person's sociological profile.But I think that's just admitting like mainstream science at this point. Yeah. But, you know, that's, that's But don't say humans have genes. Oh my gosh. Hmm. No, no. I mean, I think that's, they can't, they can't possibly affect any, the, once humans developed consciousness, a bubble formed around our brains and no longer do genes matter.Actually, this is a, a side note where I often say here that it's, it's really interesting that that we pointed this out in our, in our tweet thread. That it is very racist to say that the genes that are differ between human psychological profiles can only change over very long periods of time, like a hundred thousand years or something like that.Because that is the time spann upon which like the superficial ethnic differences that we recognize and like classify people into different ethnic groups differentiated. So that would mean that there were like persistent mental differences between ethnic groups. Whereas if you believe like we do and like the science suggests that these psychologically linked or sociologically linked genetic markers change over the span of a hundred years or 200 years pretty dramatically, then there would be no meaningful ethnic grouping of them.Which is weird that these people think they're arguing against a racist position, but the position they're arguing so long as you believe in evolution is a very racist position to argue. One person says, Batman's parents died for looking like that, which I love. Can I? Yes. I love the You wanna be Batman's?I don't have pearls on. I need pearls on. I know. That's the big problem is I need, I need the pearls and then we'll make it work. We'll make it work. Multiple people are All comparing you to Carl from up, which I think, do you wanna look like that? Are they saying that our, no, it's the square glasses. You know, the, the old guy from, from PE Perry Squareish or rectangular glasses.Oh, one person calls you budget Kingsman again, I guess. But I think maybe, and this is interesting that the only like contemporary, like. Example we have of someone who wears a suit is the movie Kingsman, which is, yeah, that's really surprising. I'm not like wearing in this picture. I'm not like wearing something.Oh, you know what suit? Maybe it's a chunky jeans. It's chunky glasses and a tie. And if like the only other place where people have seen chunky glasses and a tie there's, there's that they only put on the suit because the photographer asked me to. I was wearing a a t-shirt before that. Yeah. Yeah. She wanted a, yeah, she wanted the top of that.I feel like it's very awkward too when photographers come to our house because then they, you know, Post the, the photos on social media or whatever. And a lot of people comment on how like, oh, the photos look great, but how disturbing, I can't believe you were in the house of these Nazi eugenicists.What was it like? And I feel like whenever photographers come to our house, you know, we're like chatting and having fun and like it's all good. And then like they come home and some article comes out and then a bunch of people are like, oh my God, I can't believe, like, what was it like? And they're like, oh.It was something, you know, like they can't say like, nah, these were like that. Actually, the broader thing about our ideology is I often find that whenever somebody like sits down and talks to us about it, they almost always agree with like 98 to a hundred percent of it. But they'll either say, well, you guys are right, but I can't say this publicly.Or they're just like, oh yeah, I thought you believed something totally different. And it's like, Maybe Twitter isn't a great source. We say that that's like getting your news from news sources. It's like getting your nutrients from a human centipede.Is there any other, wait, some? Yeah. Someone apparently who knew us posted in this thread. So really one person, one person wrote, I know these two.dot groan. Oh, who could it be? And then one person said, oh God, I turned off my notifi notifications because duh. And I was scrolling and I saw this. Anything you can tell us can you see Many people have recurring comments.This person says, Not really. They're really nice people as it happens, and they are very successful in what they do. They're self-made with fingers and a lot of pies. They're both super eccentric in a nice way, and whilst I was a bit cringed to see them flouting their fertility all over the papers, I'm not entirely surprised.I met them a couple of years ago at a social event. They're a high performing couple who are very bright with lots of talent. Good luck to them. I say just that's a really, that is us, and this is what I say when people meet us, they're like, oh, actually you guys are really, your beliefs are eccentric, but not like, it's more the way that we word them as eccentric because we point out things that other people should be noticing, but they don't like the fact that we as a species haven't figured out how to make any culture prosperous.Gender egalitarian and high end education and above fertility rate, like anywhere close to replacement rate fertility. That means that like this whole society we aspire to is a bit of a con job that only works because it siphons people from other groups and it's like, well, we're getting close to the point where the pyramid scheme's about to break.We should be paying attention to this, but you can't call out the emperor having no clothes, you know, because the emperors Taylors are the ones who run society right now. What people say to people.Hi to him saying that we were nice people. Did it have any comic under it? Yeah, no. The, the, the, the responses, the, the person was like, well, I, I can't believe they signed off on the, the language that the Telegraph article used about them, which is not how it works. You don't get to choose what people about you randomly.People randomly reach out to us and they say, I'm covering demographic collapse, or uncovering repro or prenatal, or whatever it is that we care about. And we are very open and transparent with everyone because we believe that. If it's a balanced article, then at, at the very least, people will learn more about an issue we care about.If it's not a balanced article, hopefully we can share enough of our views where people will share it out of rage. But then reasonable people with good, you know, reading comprehension and sound minds will ultimately see, oh, this is. A reasonable kind of important issue. And so we're still better off sharing it.But what happens is journalists talk with us. Either they come in person or they call us. We, we are very open and honest with them, and then they go dark, and for weeks we have no idea what's going to happen. And then one day, Someone texts us or we get a Google alert or someone starts like, tweeting a bunch of hate at us, and we're like, well, okay, I guess some new article's out and then we see for the first time what happens.And that's it. That's it. We, we have no control over this. There's no signing off on it. There is no, we insist on being called Elite or breeders. You know, these are actually pretty dehumanizing. Tur. Yeah. No, we don't go out there saying, we're. Super. We're an elite super breeders. Yeah, that's uhs kinda kinda gross, but I like that, use that title.It did very well in the, in the, yeah. No, I mean, I, I thought it was funny. I, I, I mean it, I think it's very funny. But that's, say the best kinda article is one was a dishonest or sensational title, but honest reporting and the telegraph. Article was very honest about our actual beliefs. I was really impressed with it because that gives both sides of an online fight, the chance to argue about you.You know, the uneducated side that just reads the title, and then the educated side that reads the full article and then you get this battle. Unfortunately, the educated side is always gonna be smaller. But that doesn't matter. I mean, at least, at least the ideas are getting out there. Because if you look at the articles about us, yes, they're proliferating, but you look at the ideas that we're putting out there, Hey, you need to start paying attention to fertility rates.Those are gaining enough attention that the UN recently put out a big thing saying stop fretting about fertility. Yeah. Stop worrying about fertility rates and start focusing on environmentalism, immigration and gender equality. And it's like, oh, well, UN's gonna un, but if we're getting under their skin, that's a good thing because nobody was talking about this issue a year ago before we started doing the rounds on it.And I'm kinda excited. I I, I actually really like when Really unflattering stuff about us gets posted that makes other people wanna cover us. Because what happens is then like other journalists reach out because they want to cover the s**t show and the cringe. And then they get on the phone and they, you actually have a chance to speak with them.And there have been multiple calls where I'm just like sitting there laughing because you're going through what we actually advocate for and what we're talking about. And like, I just remember that you were on the, on the phone with one woman with a TV station and just her being like, Oh God. Oh God.Like just, no, just going over the numbers. And she's like, oh God, oh God. Like, is that true? Can you check that? And then they're like, oh no, the numbers aren't really that bad. Yeah. Like, oh, I, I never thought of that. Like, so, and, and that's what, that's, that's what really the reward is for us, is we get a ton of hate.We look like complete idiots online. And then in the end, a lot of very influential people who are able to share really important information with a lot of audiences. For totally the wrong reason, engage with us, but then end up learning about an an advocacy issue that is actually a really big deal. And so, oh, that's always my favorite thing when somebody hates us.Mm-hmm. And then later I see them supporting us. Yeah. Because that's how I know that we really got to somebody. We always call that ala in, but she does such a good job at that and I really admire her ability to do that. It's very easy to be a. Social media person or a public figure that people support because you're saying things they already believe.Mm-hmm. You're not really doing anything if you're doing that. You're just surfing a wave of public sentiment. However, if you are a public media figure, like Alan, that's one of the reasons I, I respect you so much, where people start by following you because they don't agree with you, or they think they don't agree with you, and then they hear your perspective more.They engage with you more and they change their beliefs based on that. Mm-hmm. Very, very few public media figures are able to surf waves that they create themselves. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and to, to change views. Yeah. And most people rise and become leaders because they represent a zeitgeist that's growing.It's very, very hard to come across people. Yeah. Well, and then what you really wanna do, I mean, I think, I think when we know we've really made it is when we have people surfing our wake. When we are the motorboat and the waves that we are creating are the waves that other people are surfing. Anyway.Simon, I just to close this out, I am so lucky to be married to you because I wouldn't be able to do this on my own. Going out there, you know, I, you have the superpower of autism, which to some extent protects you from all of this. Hate. If I didn't have you filtering this from me, if I didn't have your constant support I, I, Emotionally, mentally, I'd not be able to deal with this, and I can't tell you how much every day.I am grateful and I know that all of my success comes from you. That is. So kind and so not true because you are the beating heart that makes all this run, and I love you so freaking much. You are the spark in our whole household. And yeah, none of this would be happening word not for you because I lack the creativity and initiative and ability to think things through to actually engage in things.You put yourself down, you have all of those things, and you know you have all of those things. You can just say, I have creativity. And you feast on it. I do. Feast on your creativity. Yes. Speaking of feasting, we need to start dinner and get the kids, so I will see you soon. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

Video Transcript (auto-translated so will include errors):Hello, Malcolm. Hello, Simone. It's wonderful to be here with you today. What are we talking about? I believe we're talking about revolutions and the model for revolutions that you came up with the other day that Surprised me. You always accredit things to me. I don't know why, you know, but whatever we're, because you come up with all the ideas.I ask dumb questions sometimes, which is apparently helpful. Well, this is in reference to the previous post where I was saying it's actually very rarely the, the most downtrod class in society that leads to any form of a revolution. Actually, this is really interesting. You can see this as sort of across societies during colonial periods.Mm-hmm. Where the colonies that would revolt first were often the wealthiest colonies like the American colonies. Where like the average citizen was taxed less than the average citizen in the UK was taxed at the same time period when they were revolting over taxes without representation. And you know, I, I think that it's really interesting to look at like why revolutions happen and we sort of came up with a predictive model, which we want to apply to online communities because I think it can tell us who's going to win.The online culture war and how groups can win the online culture war. But you would also say that this transfers to broadly speaking governments and Yeah. Broadly speaking, governments, et cetera. And it, it doesn't always hold true, but it, when it doesn't hold true, you can see sort of proof of the model through the ways it doesn't hold true. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

In this video we discuss the aspects of communism that work, those that don't, and whether communism might work in a post-ai world. Can AI make communism work? Why do Kibbitzes? Malcolm and Simone tackle these topics in this episode of Based Camp. In today's video, we delve into a deep conversation about Communism and its influence in contemporary discourse. We examine the often unseen intersection between various ideologies, from environmentalism to secular Calvinism, and how they sometimes lead to debates about capitalism and communism. We explore the disparity between how communism is envisioned versus its practical implementation and the struggle many individuals face in aligning their lifestyle with their political ideals. The conversation also touches on how certain political structures can inadvertently encourage negative societal traits, with examples drawn from both communist and capitalist societies. Further, we debate why communism often fails when implemented on a large scale, referencing the power consolidation problem, the Home Owners Association (HOA) problem, and the square-cube law of governance. Our discourse provides a unique perspective on the idealism of communism, the practical realities of its implementation, and the lessons we can draw from both successful and failed experiments. Join us on this intellectual journey and be sure to share your thoughts and experiences in the comments below. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This chat is focused on the concepts of gender and how movements like transmaxxing (or transmaxxing) plays with that concept. What does it mean to be subversive in how one is approaching gender in the age of trans and LGBT becoming mainstream. Is an agender person allowed to identify as cis? Also, what's up with the growing homoeroticism among the aesthetics of the far right like that of BAP (bronze age pervert). Malcolm and Simone tackle these topics in this episode of Based Camp. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This video takes a dive into female puberty and the unique risks associated with it as well as the role of cis women in a society. It also goes into the Spoonie phenomenon and how we can best protect our daughters against it. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This video is about that time we went viral for pissing off swole Twitter / weight lifting Twitter. We go into how testosterone decreases during a males "second puberty". Malcolm and Simone tackle these topics in this episode of Based Camp. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

Listen now (21 min) | This episode goes into both what we have been doing over the past few years, the Elite Couple meme that went viral about us, and how we are approaching media + the science of going viral. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe