
The Sword and Laser
Read along with the Sword and Laser book club! From classic science fiction to the latest gritty fantasy, we cover it. Subscribe for book discussions, author interviews, hot releases, and news from the genre fiction world!
Latest episodes

Jul 17, 2025 • 40min
#515 - The Details in the Devils
We cast The Devils, try to apologize to Ruth, and recall other food-related romantasy. Plus, Veronica has a shameful tequila revelation.

Jul 4, 2025 • 1h 10min
#514 - The Rebirths of Wesley Chu
Wesley Chu joins us to talk about The Lives of Tao and Jan is back, so we have loads of news including Locus Award Winners and the British Fantasy Society shortlist. Plus Tom sings. We're all sorry about that. Also, we almost named this episode The Lives of Wesley Chu until we realized we had already done that in 2014.

Jun 19, 2025 • 41min
#513 - A Civil War-burton
Everything is out of context. But we do have interesting thoughts about The Lives of Tao and lots of congrats for the winners and nominees of the Nebulas and more.

Jun 5, 2025 • 32min
#512 - Deep Dish is SciPie
We speculate on how James Cameron will make The Devils and whether Frankenstein will be too scary for Veronica. And we further kick off The Lives of Tao.

May 28, 2025 • 47min
#511 - Throw Me in the Corpse Hole
We discuss the return of Jim Butcher’s Dresden Files and Frank Herbert’s posthumous SFWA Infinity Award, Audible’s AI narration plans and Amazon’s cancellation of The Wheel of Time—while nominating hamburg steak and vegan enchiladas and sharing listener stories from Matt Dinniman’s event. We round out the show with in-depth discussions of The Lives of Tao and Mickey 7.

May 10, 2025 • 36min
#510 - A New Theseus
From Hugo admins resigning over AI panel vetting to the latest award winners and a fresh Murderbot clip—to set the stage for our book club pick. Then we dig into Mickey 7’s Ship of Theseus dilemma, sharing listener takes (yes, even foot‑fetishting AIs) and the questions that keep us up at night.

Apr 25, 2025 • 52min
#509 - New Achievement!
We wrap up Dungeon Crawler Carl, including our horrible imitations of Jeff Hays. Plus, we announce the next pick for May and ponder data-driven determinations of the best SFF books of Tom’s life.

Apr 10, 2025 • 54min
#508 - Sexy, Sexy, Mind Palace
Excitement brews over the new Murderbot trailer and the Hugo nominees! The hosts reflect on the importance of libraries and share their favorite reads from the shortlist. Cheese adventures take a humorous twist, with tales from Mars Cheese Castle. They dive into the fascinating world of 'Dungeon Crawler Carl,' exploring its unique narration and character depth. Engaging discussions about the narrative complexities in gaming and literature highlight relatable character experiences. Nostalgia blends seamlessly with community love as they celebrate their podcasting journey.

Mar 13, 2025 • 41min
#507 - Book Goblin
Tom forgot to write the intro to the show this week, so you’re stuck with the Veronica Edition. March is still full of madness, which makes sense because it’s a full moon eclipse coming up and Venus is in retrograde. Or something! We check in on The City and The City by China Miéville, and we see and unsee your perspectives on the book thus far.

Feb 26, 2025 • 59min
#506 - SECs Unit
March Madness has begun, so get your votes in now. Plus do we like Alexander Skarsgard as Murderbot? And our final thoughts on Will of the Many and non-spoiler intro to The City and the City.