
The Open Source Way
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Feb 22, 2023 • 27min
SAP Cloud Application Programming Model (CAP) – A step-by-step journey towards open source
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guests Christian Georgi and Daniel Hutzel about the SAP Cloud Application Programming Model (CAP), a Software Development Kit (SDK) to build applications in the enterprise world. They speak about how CAP is gradually being open-sourced so that it can evolve with the help of its community. This will allow, for instance, the support of additional databases, consumption protocols, and UI frameworks. We also learn how the CAP team has engaged with the community so far and how this motivated them to open source it.
Guests:
Christian Georgi has been working on development tools at SAP for many years, like the SAP HANA Studio and ABAP Development Tools (ADT) for Eclipse. He is now a product owner for CAP tools and helps spread the word about CAP.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-georgi-291258115
Daniel Hutzel has been with SAP since 2004. He invented and designed Core Data Services (CDS) in 2012, which got broadly adopted across SAP (in HANA, ABAP, and CAP), as well as Cloud Application Programming Model (CAP) in 2017, which he has been leading since then as Chief Architect and CPO.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aragon
Show Notes:
Links
cap.cloud.sap
reCAP conference
UI5con
Community page
SAP Open Source Program Office
SAP Open Source at SAP Community
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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Hosted by Karsten Hohage – Product Expert in Technology and Innovation (T&I)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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Dec 28, 2022 • 27min
Project Piper – From InnerSource to Open Source
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guest Christoph Szymanski about Project Piper, an open source library for the creation of continuous integration and delivery pipelines. Christoph speaks about how Project Piper relates to the SAP-proprietary service “SAP Continuous Integration and Delivery“ and how Piper became a successful offering to anybody working with SAP development projects. We also learn why Christoph loves the unpopular task of writing tests and how these are the key factor to continuous delivery and integration.
Guest:
Christoph Szymanski is the owner of the SAP Continuous Integration and Delivery service and also works on Project Piper, which is the library behind the service, developed as a community project. Both enable you to build and automatize software delivery pipelines. Christoph has been an application developer for 20 years, mainly focusing on web applications in different languages and frameworks. During his career, he engaged in various roles, as for example Product Owner, Scrum Master, and Product Manager.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christoph-szymanski-9b0484103/Twitter: https://twitter.com/ski_at_work
Show Notes:
Links
Project Piper: https://www.project-piper.io
Continuous Integration and Delivery: https://help.sap.com/docs/CONTINUOUS_DELIVERY?locale=en-US
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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Hosted by Karsten Hohage – Product Expert in Technology and Innovation (T&I)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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Nov 30, 2022 • 26min
Red Hat – Distributor and Mediator in the Open-Source World
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guest Arne Arnold from Red Hat about Linux and the role of distributors in the open-source world. Arne speaks about his journey from SAP to Red Hat and how the distributor made its way to become a catalyst for open-source communities. We also learn how Arne started his Linux career contributing to the search for extraterrestrial life from his student dormitory and about SAP’s contribution to Linux becoming the leading server operating system worldwide.
Guest:
Arne Arnold is a Senior Principal Product Manager within the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Business Unit. As the offering manager for Red Hat’s solutions targeting SAP, his focus lies on SAP certifications and product roadmap for RHEL for SAP Solutions, the RHEL High Availability solutions for SAP, and SAP automation on top of the Red Hat Ansible Automation Platform.Arne holds a Master‘s degree in Computer Science and is a certified PMI Project Manager Professional. Prior to joining Red Hat in 2018, Arne worked for VMware and SAP and was one of the first Product Managers for the SAP HANA platform.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arne-arnold/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/vArneArnold
Show Notes:
Links
https://www.redhat.com/sap
https://access.redhat.com/ecosystem/sap
Red Hat online trainings with SAP
https://open.sap.com/courses/red1-pc
https://open.sap.com/courses/red2-pc
Red Hat customer trainings
https://www.redhat.com/de/services/training/red-hat-ansible-automation-sap
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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Oct 26, 2022 • 35min
Linux Foundation – Building Trust in Software Supply Chains
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guest Shane Coughlan about OpenChain by the Linux Foundation and some other projects that build trust in the supply chain. Shane gives an overview of developments around open source and intellectual property over the last 20 years. We also learn about why OpenChain can be compared to shipping containers, and how organizations like the NSA have embraced Linux for secure US government operations.
Guest:
Shane Coughlan is a GM @linuxfoundation, advisor to the @worldmobilegroup, Assembly Member of @OpenForumEurope. He is an expert in communication, security, and business development. His professional accomplishments include
building the largest open source governance community in the world through the OpenChain Project
spearheading the licensing team that made Open Invention Network (OIN) the largest patent non-aggression community in history
establishing the first global network for open source legal experts.
Shane is a founder of both the first law journal and the first law book dedicated to open source. Currently – among other things – he leads the OpenChain Project.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/opendawn
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanecoughlan/
Show Notes:
Links
www.openchainproject.org
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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Sep 28, 2022 • 37min
Cloud Foundry – A One-Size-Fits-All Solution for Application Development
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guests Ruben Koster and Beyhan Veli about Cloud Foundry, a platform-as-a-service offering for application developers. Ruben and Beyhan talk about their personal journey with Cloud Foundry, how it works, and how it relates to VMware, Pivotal, and SAP. We also learn about their run for Cloud Foundry’s Technical Oversight Committee and their future vision for the platform.
Guests:
Ruben Koster has been a Cloud Foundry and BOSH consultant for 8 years before he joined VMware in the spring of 2021. He comes from the Netherlands, works in Sweden, and is also an aspiring member of the TOC.
Twitter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rukoster/ LinkedIn: https://github.com/rkoster/
Beyhan Veli has been active in the CF community for over seven years. He started to contribute as a member of the BOSH team at SAP.A year ago, he took on a broader role at SAP and now also looks into other areas of CF and general topics from a Cloud Foundry application developer perspective. In the CF Community, Beyhan is the technical lead in the Foundational Infrastructure working group and an aspiring member of the TOC.
Twitter: https://de.linkedin.com/in/beyhan-veli-791a093
Github: https://github.com/beyhan
LinkedIn: https://twitter.com/beyhan
Show Notes:
12 factor principles info
cloudfoundry.org
bosh.io
TOC Slack channel
Cloud Foundry Organization on GitHub
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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Hosted by Karsten Hohage – Product Expert in Technology and Innovation (T&I)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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Jul 27, 2022 • 31min
wdi5 – UI5’s Open-Source End-to-End Testing Framework
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guests Volker Buzek and Peter Muessig about wdi5, an open-source end-to-end testing framework for UI5. Volker and Peter explain the history of wdi5, how to use it, and how it became a community project. We also learn about planned features of wdi5 and how to best get involved.
Guests:
Volker Buzek is an IT-Architect at j&s-soft GmbH with a focus on web-based and mobile architectures. He is also an SAP Mentor and the inventor of wdi5.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/vobu
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/volkerbuzek/
Peter Muessig has worked for SAP since 2005 and is an initial member of the Phoenix Project. Today, he is the Chief Development Architect for UI5 and focuses on its evolution. In his spare time, he is an active member of the UI5 open source community.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/pmuessig
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-muessig-7b40576/
Show Notes:
Blog post by Volker Buzek
wdi5: https://github.com/ui5-community/wdi5
wdi5 documentation: https://ui5-community.github.io/wdi5
UI5 community: https://github.com/ui5-community
https://www.js-soft.com/
https://openui5.org/ui5con/germany2022/
https://openui5.org
https://sdk.openui5.org/
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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Hosted by Karsten Hohage – Product Expert in Technology and Innovation (T&I)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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Jun 29, 2022 • 26min
Open Source at VMware – Key Driver of Innovation
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guest Dr. Dawn Foster, PhD. from VMware about VMware’s open source strategy, and the importance of community and project health. Dawn explains project health metrics, how they contribute to improving projects, and how well-documented processes and governance help scale communities and keep them healthy. We also learn about Dawn’s impressive experience in the IT industry as she takes us through the various stages of her professional and academic career.
Guest:
Dr. Dawn Foster, PhD. has been working in open source for more than 20 years at companies like Intel and Puppet. At VMware, she leads the community strategy efforts within the Open Source Program Office. She is a Governing Board member and maintainer for the CHAOSS metrics project, a Steering Committee member for the TODO Group, and co-chair of the CNCF Contributor Strategy Technical Advisory Group. She is also on the board of OpenUK.
Twitter: Dr. Dawn Foster (@geekygirldawn) / Twitter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dawnfoster
Dawn’s website: http://fastwonderblog.com/
Show Notes:
Links
https://blogs.vmware.com/opensource/
https://chaoss.community/
https://twitter.com/vmwopensource
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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6 snips
May 25, 2022 • 30min
Open Source at Microsoft – ClearlyDefined and Open-Source Supply Chain Security
Nell from Microsoft and Sebastian from SAP discuss ClearlyDefined as a data store for open-source licenses, open-source supply chain security, Microsoft's open source history, and SAP's engagement with open source projects. They explore SPDX identifiers, corporate transformations, and the evolution of SAP's open source journey, and Microsoft's approach to open source security with automated vulnerability scanning and securing web dependencies.

5 snips
Apr 27, 2022 • 35min
Gaia-X, Catena-X, International Data Spaces – Three Initiatives, One Goal
Head of Industry 4.0 at SAP, Nemrude Verzano, discusses open-source initiatives Gaia-X, Catena-X, IDS that enable secure data sharing. Collaboration between Fraunhofer Institute and SAP customers. Benefits of joining forces for data processing and management.

Mar 30, 2022 • 26min
Mercedes-Benz FOSS – Open Source in the Automotive Industry
In this episode, our host Karsten Hohage talks with our guests Wolfgang Gehring and Christian Wege about FOSS at Mercedes-Benz Group AG. Wolfgang and Christian explain how and why Mercedes-Benz enables their employees to become and stay active in open source, which open-source projects they are working on, and how they contribute to the open-source world outside of Mercedes-Benz. We also learn why a so-called driver’s license is essential for working on open-source projects as a Mercedes-Benz employee.
Guests:
Inspired by the InnerSource movement more than five years ago, Dr. Wolfgang Gehring turned into an ambassador for InnerSource and open source and has been spreading the idea within Mercedes-Benz and its IT-subsidiary Daimler TSS. A software engineer by trade, Wolfgang’s goal is to enable Mercedes-Benz to accelerate their open-source activities.
Dr. Christian Wege has a background in informatics, leading the IT team of the Mercedes-Benz FOSS Center of Competence. Before this, he worked on FOSS topics at Mercedes-Benz Group AG for more than ten years and has been one of the initiators to propose FOSS as a strategic initiative. He strives to make the voice of the developer heard in the creation of the FOSS governance processes and to establish FOSS within Mercedes-Benz.
Show Notes:
Links
https://opensource.mercedes-benz.com
https://opensource.mercedes-benz.com/manifesto
https://github.com/mercedes-benz
https://www.linkedin.com/company/daimler-tss/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/mercedes-benz_ag/
SAP Open Source Program Office
https://developers.sap.com/open-source.html
SAP Open Source Twitter
ospo@sap.com
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Hosted by Karsten Hohage – Product Expert in Technology and Innovation (T&I)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-hohage-0180312/
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