
The Art of Product
The Art of Product is a podcast chronicling the journeys of two entrepreneurs building software companies. Hosted by Ben Orenstein and Derrick Reimer.
Latest episodes

Apr 21, 2021 • 35min
170: Beautifully, Wonderfully Dissatisfied Customers
The Tuple team is close to shipping true 3-player mode without host & observer role limitations. Derrick launched the Outlook integration this week and is working on a bunch of smaller tasks that have been accruing the past month.

Apr 14, 2021 • 38min
169: The Startup Rollercoaster
Ben & Derrick chat about dealing with ups & downs in business, finding enough, decoupling fulfillment from business metrics, knowledge archival, dealing with feature requests, and slew of other topics.

Apr 7, 2021 • 44min
168: I'd Rather Commit Sins of Overambition
Ben & Derrick brainstorm a "rooms" feature for Tuple. Derrick is getting close to wrapping up the SavvyCal Outlook integration. Ben shares highlights from their latest team retreat and teases some new plans for later this year.

Apr 1, 2021 • 34min
167: Crossing $10k
SavvyCal crossed an important SaaS milestone this week. Ben is continuing to delegate more responsibilities to his team and redefine his role with the company. The guys talk about Gumroad's recent crowdfunding and Derrick's recent experience with Stripe Capital.

Mar 25, 2021 • 35min
166: Hello from Linux
The Tuple team made their first "Hello world" audio call from the new Linux client. Ben and Derrick talk through complex team billing structures. Derrick had a stressful couple of days when the Google Calendar API started misbehaving and daylight saving time rolled over.

Mar 18, 2021 • 34min
165: The Art of Negotiation
Ben and Derrick chat about tools for collaboration and their recent experiences with negotiating deals. Ben wants to level up this year on the marketing front. Work is underway on the SavvyCal integration with Outlook Calendar.

Mar 11, 2021 • 29min
164: We Love A Good Null Constraint
Ben and Derrick chat about joy of shipping features quickly that customers love. They also discuss architecting software to minimize painful changes in the future. The Tuple team is making progress on the Linux client and SavvyCal is working on an Outlook integration.

Mar 4, 2021 • 51min
163: Catching Up With Paul Jarvis
Ben and Derrick hang out and talk shop with Paul Jarvis, co-founder of Fathom Analytics.

Feb 25, 2021 • 35min
162: Do You Even Clubhouse?
Ben is working on refining the Tuple company operating system. Derrick reflects on the kind of company he hopes to build and the merits of growing & managing a team vs staying tiny. The guys share their take on Clubhouse.

Feb 18, 2021 • 38min
161: The Podia Operating System
This week, Ben chats with Spencer Fry, CEO and Founder of Podia. Spencer's smart. You should probably listen to him.
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