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Tabadlab
Pakistan's first podcast focused on the country's economy, simplifying the complex relationships between paisa, politics and the public.
Presented by Tabadlab.
Presented by Tabadlab.
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Apr 7, 2025 • 47min
Ep 238 - Pakistan tries to become a hard state
Uzair talks to Zahid Husain about the worsening security situation in Balochistan, which has led the army chief to assert that Pakistan must become a “hard state.” We discussed what can be defined as a hard state, and also try to understand the reasons for why Zahid Husain calls Pakistan a “predator state.”
Zahid Husain is an author and journalist who writes a weekly column for Dawn. You can read his latest column titled “A Predator State” here: https://www.dawn.com/news/1900408
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:40 What is a predator state?
15:10 The state’s colonial mindset
24:10 Difference in KPK and Balochistan
33:50 Anti-military sentiment in Punjab
38:10 Evolving views on military intervention

Mar 21, 2025 • 47min
Episode 237 - Food inflation and market reforms in agriculture
Uzair talks to Adil Mansoor about the state of Pakistan’s agriculture sector and the outlook for the year. We focused on the wheat and sugar markets, whether deregulation is here to stay, and the ways in which farmers have dealt with collapsing wheat prices.
Adil Mansoor is an agriculture analyst and writes for Business Recorder Research.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:40 Water shortages
4:10 Wheat outlook
18:00 Food inflation coming back?
24:20 Sugar prices
36:50 Storage and supply chain issues
42:00 Market reforms

Mar 16, 2025 • 41min
Ep 236 - Is the ruling regime going to last for a long time?
Uzair talks to Arifa Noor about the mood in Islamabad after the Jaffer Express terror attack in Balochistan. We discussed the failures of Pakistan’s Balochistan policy, why political elites have continued to cede space to the military on key topics, and the decline in parliament’s standing over the years.
Arifa Noor is a journalist at Dawn and host of the TV show Newswise.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:50 Jaffer Express fallout
13:10 PPP pushes back against canal projects
23:10 PTI and an opposition alliance
31:30 Media blackouts and conspiracy theories

Mar 7, 2025 • 1h 2min
Episode 235 - Balochistan in Crisis
This episode focuses on the ongoing and worsening crisis in Balochistan, where militancy is rising and the political process shows no signs of improving. Rafiullah Kakar joins Uzair to explain what is going on in the province, the root causes of the insurgency, and why a number of political problems have added fuel to the burning fire in Balochistan.
Finally, Rafiullah also discusses his research on the structural and constitutional drivers of the core political economy issues in the province, with the conversation concluding on what can be done to alleviate the crisis in Balochistan.
Rafiullah Kakar is a policy analyst currently pursuing a PhD at Cambridge University, where he is seeking to understand the political economy of sub-national state capacity through a comparative study of education policy in two Pakistani provinces: Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
You can read Rafiullah Kakar’s paper that was discussed on the podcast here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14662043.2024.2382458
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:50 Worsening militancy in Balochistan
17:10 Engaging with young political leaders
25:50 India’s role in the insurgency
32:20 Is the status quo secure?
36:10 Structural drivers of the issues
47:20 Devolution of power
56:00 Competition in politics

Mar 1, 2025 • 40min
Episode 234 - What's Next for Pakistan's Startup and Innovation Economy
This episode focuses on the latest developments in Pakistan’s startup and innovation ecosystem Uzair talks to Sarah Munir about the latest findings from invest2innovate’s 2024 Startup Ecosystem Report.
Sarah is CEO at invest2innovate and has over 15 years of experience in driving impact and fueling growth. invest2innovate supports startup communities in growth markets and has been working in Pakistan since 2011.
You can read the full report here - https://invest2innovate.com/ecosystem-reports/
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:50 Key findings and learnings
11:30 Learnings for young entrepreneurs
14:30 Learning for investors
17:20 Policy and regulatory issues
23:10 Cultural shifts around entrepreneurship
27:10 Critical thinking and innovation
30:00 Opportunities for growth
33:30 Going beyond maturity
37:08 Reading recommendations
Reading Recommendations:
- Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking by Susan Cain
- Shoe Dog: A Memoir by the Creator of Nike by Phil Knight
- Alibaba: The House That Jack Ma Built by Duncan Clark
- Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear

Feb 22, 2025 • 45min
Episode 233 - Pakistan's Foreign Policy Priorities in 2025 w/ Dr. Qamar Cheema
In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Qamar Cheema about Pakistan’s foreign policy priorities, including relations with Afghanistan and the United States. We also talked about whether Donald Trump will intervene in Pakistan’s affairs to help release Imran Khan.
Dr. Qamar Cheema is Executive Director of the Sanober Institute, a think tank based in Islamabad.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:00 Afghanistan relations
18:20 Trump releasing Khan?
26:10 Pakistan-Iran relations
31:05 Erdogan’s trip to Pakistan
37:20 Chinese disappointment

Feb 7, 2025 • 42min
Episode 232 - Assessing the PML-N's One Year Economic Performance
In this episode, Uzair talks to Khurram Husain about the PML-N government’s economic performance over the last year. We talked about how IMF stabilization is the easy part, why generating growth risks creating the same problems for the country, and the ways in which business interest groups are advocating for a return to past policies.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:20 Performance review
8:10 Reasons for lack of reforms
20:30 Stabilization a big achievement?
29:40 SBP’s role in killing inflation

Jan 31, 2025 • 43min
Episode 231 - DeepSeek Delivers a Massive Surprise in AI
In this episode, Uzair talks to Amir Husain about DeepSeek’s innovations in the world of artificial intelligence, which has been described as a “Sputnik Moment” by many in the technology world. We also talked about how DeepSeek achieved these innovations and what they tell us about China’s innovation ecosystem. Finally, Amir shares his view on export controls on cutting-edge technology and whether it helps achieve U.S. national security goals.
Amir Husain is a serial entrepreneur, veteran AI technologist, and author based in Austin, Texas. He has received widespread acclaim for his pioneering work, including Austin’s Top Entrepreneur award and inclusion in Austin’s 40 Under 40.
In 2013, Amir founded SparkCognition, now Avathon. Under Amir’s leadership, the company achieved a unicorn valuation, marking a significant milestone in its journey. As the Founder and Executive Board Member of this award-winning AI company, Amir led the firm as CEO from its inception until the end of 2023.
Amir has been awarded over 30 patents in AI and distributed systems. He serves on UT Austin’s Computer Science Board, NATO’s Innovation Advisory Board and the Board of Global Venture Bridge, fostering international entrepreneurial collaboration. He is the author of the best-selling book “The Sentient Machine,” a co-author of “Hyperwar: Conflict and Competition in the AI Century”, and has recently published “Generative Art”, “Generative AI for Leaders” and “Serious Machines.”
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:10 What did DeepSeek achieve?
19:20 US-China Chip Wars and Export Controls
33:10 Sputnik Moment and Choices for America

Jan 29, 2025 • 31min
Episode 230 - Why is India's Economy Slowing Down and the Rupee Weakening?
In this episode, Uzair talks to Ankur Bhardwaj about India’s economic slowdown and its root causes. We also talked about what options the government has to stimulate growth through the budget, and the reasons why the Indian Rupee has been weakening in recent weeks. Finally, we touched on major structural reforms that are needed in India and whether the Modi-led BJP government can push them through.
Ankur Bhardwaj is Web Editor at Business Standard.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 Slowing growth in India
10:10 Navigating the budget cycle
14:50 Reform priorities
19:20 Promoting exports
23:30 Navigating the politics of reforms
26:50 Risks in the near-term

Jan 24, 2025 • 46min
Episode 229 - Pakistan's Afghan Dilemma and the Path Forward
In this episode Uzair talks to Ali Nazari about the current state of affairs in Afghanistan, the status of the resistance against the Taliban, and the ways in which the Taliban are allowing transnational terrorism to occur from Afghanistan.
Ali Nazari is Head of Foreign Relations for the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan (NRF). Ali began his career in communications at Khorasan TV, hosting a weekly show on politics and current affairs in Afghanistan. He then was Director of Media Affairs for Abdullah Abdullah's 2014 presidential campaign. As tensions between the Taliban and the government grew amidst the drawdown of NATO forces from Afghanistan, Nazary served as a chief foreign policy advisor and a liaison between Ahmad Massoud and foreign diplomats up until his departure from Kabul a few days after August 15, 2021. Since then, Nazary has served as Head of Foreign Relations for the NRF.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:50 The NRF and state of play in Afghanistan
6:50 Life under the Taliban
12:40 Pakistan’s bet on the Taliban
17:40 How can Pakistan change its Afghanistan policy?
24:30 Regional strategy
29:50 NRF and Pakistan relations
38:40 Expectations from Trump administration
43:40 Reading recommendations
Reading recommendations:
- In the Name of my Father: Struggling for Freedom in Afghanistan by Ahmad Massoud
- Afghanistan: A History from 1260 to the Present by Jonathan L. Lee
- Pakistan-Afghanistan Relations: Pitfalls and the Way Forward edited by Huma Baqai and Nausheen Wasi