
Progression Podcast
As tech teams we're great at designing and building products and experiences that people love. But one thing that we still can't do effectively is design our own careers.
With the help of regular contributors and special guests, we dig into why that is, tackling questions around managing vs making, missing manager tools, soft and hard skills and training, compensation and navigating a new job that's right for you.
Latest episodes

Jan 28, 2020 • 42min
#20: Irene Au (Khosla Ventures, Google) on scaling design teams and practices, scaling yourself and finding your why
About Irene
Irene is a designer and veteran design leader, leading design and user experience at Google, Yahoo, Netscape, and Udacity. She was once even the most prolific hirer of UX talent in silicon valley.
She now works as an operational partner at Khosla Ventures, working with fast growing portfolio companies on design and strategic problems at the highest level, as well as teaching yoga.
Our conversation covered scaling design across some of the most well known and iconic companies in the world as well as extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation, using envy to identify what you enjoy and finding the thing that gives you joy.
I loved this conversation – Irene absolutely (but politely) schooled me on some of my assumptions about the evolution of design and I learned a ton. I hope you do too!
Irene's website: ireneau.com
Irene on Twitter: twitter.com/ireneau
Design your Life – Irene's medium blog: https://medium.com/design-your-life
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo
Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design
We're looking for new sponsors! hit us up: podcast@progressionapp.com
Join the waitlist
We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com
Rate us!
It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

Jan 7, 2020 • 31min
#19: Ryan Carson (CEO, Treehouse) on a winding journey to training 100,000 new software engineers
About Ryan
Ryan Carson has been a huge figure in tech and online learning for a long time now through his company Treehouse, but his journey to get there and onwards from this success story is a journey of learning about himself, what he loves and also his privilege. From Carsonified, his tech conference startup based in the UK through Treehouse to Project unlock the American dream (training 100,000 Americans from diverse backgrounds into software engineering apprenticeships), he talks through his biggest challenge yet.
Ryan on twitter: https://twitter.com/ryancarson
Treehouse: https://teamtreehouse.com
Project unlock the american dream: https://projectunlocktheamericandream.org
Ryan's book recommendations
The New Jim Crow: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1595586431
Seeing White: https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-White-Introduction-Privilege-Race/dp/1442203080
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo
Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design
Join the waitlist
We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com
Rate us!
It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

Dec 18, 2019 • 41min
#18 Anne-Laure Le Cunff on mindfulness, burnout, writing every day and building a business
Today’s guest: Anne-Laure Le Cunff
Anne-Laure is a prolific writer, thinker and learner. From a background in tech at companies like Google, she's spend the last year or so focused on entrepreneurial projects, culminating in her own Venture Studio Ness Labs, dedicated to products that help people be happier and healthier. She's hugely active in the online entrepreneurial community, championing learning and personal development with a broad set of 6000+ folks following along through her newsletter.
As a fellow maker and founder, Anne-Laure and I talk less about team building and more about the journey of starting something new, compound interest when it comes to writing, being an active learner and a company of one.
Anne-Laure's company: https://nesslabs.com/ and newsletter: https://nesslabs.com/newsletter
Maker Mag: https://makermag.com/
Anne-Laure on Twitter: https://twitter.com/anthilemoon
Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo
Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design
Join the waitlist
We’re aiming to launch in the first quarter of next year, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. https://progressionapp.com
Rate us!
It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.

Dec 6, 2019 • 43min
#17 Kara DeFrias on changing careers, curing cancer and being a sponsor
I loved chatting to Kara back in August, excited to finally get this episode out to your ears!
Kara started her career as an instructional designer, eventually working her way to leading user experience design through experience at (amongst others) top-flight companies in sport (the Super Bowl), Film (Oscars) and politics, both as senior advisor to 18F and as Biden's Director of UX during Obama's cancer moonshot. She was also one of the first Presidential Innovation Fellows.
We talked about Instructional design, meeting Obama, pale males, career progression of a person vs a professional and where you can use existing skills in new ways and readjust your career to suit the things you’re good at AND the things you love.
We also covered attempting to cure cancer, doing user-centred design in government, being a good sponsor and our mutual love of the West Wing.
Show links
Obama announcing the cancer moonshot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W2Fl_X_6I4
Kara's article on how to care and feed a team: https://medium.com/@karadefrias/the-product-managers-guide-to-the-care-and-feeding-of-humans-ee2854bc5944
Find Kara on the web at https://www.karadefrias.com/, and on twitter at https://twitter.com/karadefrias.
Who else should we be speaking to?
We have a fantastic set of interviews already recorded so we're sorted for getting into your ear-holes for this year, but we're looking for guests for 2020 episodes, so if you or someone you know is doing great work, let us know! Even better if it's someone who might not be regulars on other podcasts or stages.
Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo!
Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. It really is an exciting and fun place to work (I should know as an alumni).
Go check out the team, blog and open roles at deliveroo.design or follow them on twitter: https://twitter.com/deliveroodesign

Nov 8, 2019 • 39min
#16 Dave Malouf on Design Ops and the power of speaking on stage
Dave Malouf is a veteran design leader, strategist, facilitator, researcher, and educator who has worked with some of the largest and fastest growing organizations globally. He's probably best known for his work around Design Ops, that slightly nebulous set of practices that help design organisations to scale.
We get right into defining then pulling Design Ops apart, as well as touching on how speaking globally informs his practice and gives him energy.
Dave on Twitter: https://twitter.com/daveixd
Worth watching: Dave's keynote at IxDA Rio
Who else should we be speaking to?
We have a fantastic set of interviews already recorded so we're sorted for getting into your ear-holes for this year, but we're looking for guests for 2020 episodes, so if you or someone you know is doing great work, let us know! Even better if it's someone who might not be regulars on other podcasts or stages.
Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo!
Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. It really is an exciting and fun place to work (I should know as an alumni).
Go check out the team, blog and open roles at deliveroo.design or follow them on twitter: https://twitter.com/deliveroodesign
Join the waitlist
We’re aiming to launch in the first quarter of next year, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com
You can also follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/progressionapp – send us a tweet with your thoughts on the pod!

Sep 6, 2019 • 38min
#15: Inside Progression with Jonny and Neil – teamwork, a new feature and biscuit reviews
Hey friends! It's been a while...
We're having a mini-break from regular episodes for the summer, but to celebrate Neil officially joining the team (about 4 months ago) as a cofounder, we decided to chat about working together and finding each other, our new feature 'check-ins' and our favourite office snack, the mighty Choco Leibniz.
We'll be back with a new season, fantastic guests, a shiny new sponsor and more great interviews in a couple of weeks.
Neil can be found at:
neilcameron.me
twitter.com/ncameron
Jonny is, as ever, at
jonnyburch.com
twitter.com/jonnyburch
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Remember to join the Progression waitlist for all the latest on our product, including invites to the product before anyone else.

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Jul 9, 2019 • 1h 17min
#14: Todd Zaki Warfel (Leadership coach, Design Career Index report) on frameworks and job satisfaction
Todd Zaki Warfel, a design leader and leadership coach, shares insights from a global survey of over 800 design teams. He reveals that 35% of employees leave due to lack of career growth, while less than 4% have a progression framework. The conversation delves into the importance of leadership in retaining talent and navigating team dynamics during organizational change. Todd emphasizes the value of structured career ladders and proactive frameworks to enhance job satisfaction and reduce attrition in design teams. A compelling discussion for anyone in the industry!

Jun 13, 2019 • 1h 19min
#13: Sana Rao (Twitter, Deliveroo) on life changes, sponsorship and scaling design teams through change
Sana Rao was born in India, educated at the School of Visual Arts in NYC and spent 4 years at Twitter designing a bunch of the mobile experience we use today.
She's now Interim Head of Experience at Deliveroo, working out how to support the designers, researchers and content writers on their journey with the company as it grows.
Sana has taken huge risks, experienced twitter abuse, seen companies successfully improve diversity and has a fascinating story of her career to date. She's also a great friend and really interesting person!
Sana's links:
Sana on twitter: https://twitter.com/sanarao
Redesigning the content research and design org on Medium: https://medium.com/deliveroo-design/redesigning-the-content-research-design-org-50a204425b5c
Course materials from SVA: https://postindustrialdesign.school/#resources
SVA: http://www.sva.edu
Sponsor: Progression (har har)
This episode is sponsored by Progression, because why the hell not. Get your waitlist spot at progressionapp.com (we're going into Beta now so many more invites coming soon)
(A real sponsor will be back next episode)
Me and progression:
twitter.com/jonnyburch
progressionapp.com

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May 28, 2019 • 1h 14min
#12: Peter Merholz (Adaptive Path, Org Design for Design Orgs) on org design and ethics
Peter Merholz, co-founder of Adaptive Path and co-author of Org Design for Design Orgs, dives into the evolution of design leadership. He shares his journey from anthropology to design, emphasizing user-centered design and effective team management. The discussion covers ethical challenges designers face and the responsibilities of navigating organizational dynamics. Peter also reflects on communication skills within design, the importance of storytelling in presentations, and the potential for integrating design with broader business structures.

May 7, 2019 • 39min
#11: Braden Kowitz (Google Ventures, Range) on co-creating the Design Sprint, becoming a founder and his design journey
In this episode I'm talking to Braden Kowitz, an SF based designer and founder.
Braden's work has been hugely impactful on how we design today through his work on the Sprint book at Google Ventures. But his journey has also been an interesting one, leading from Google to working with startups to founding his own, Range.
We talk about finding meaningful work, bucking the trend of an expected design career, the dangers of a rigid ladder in a small team and much more.
Braden's Links
Range: https://www.range.co/
Braden's personal site: https://kowitz.co/
Braden on twitter: https://twitter.com/kowitz
The Sprint Book: https://www.thesprintbook.com/
Sponsor: Onfido 🙌
This episode is sponsored by Onfido! They're ruddy great, and are looking for a VP design (amongst other interesting design and product roles). Check out their open jobs here: onfido.com/jobs
Want to sponsor an episode, or suggest a guest? Email podcast@makegrow.co to get straight to me.
Me and progression:
twitter.com/jonnyburch
progressionapp.com