
Those Who Serve The Lord
Those Who Serve the Lord is a podcast of Apollos Watered: The Center for Discipleship & Cultural Apologetics, dedicated to forming whole lives for God’s whole mission through God’s whole church—what we call missioholism.
Are you tired of all the division, media hype, and shallow answers? Do you long for clarity, renewal, and hope in an increasingly disorienting cultural landscape?
Are you burdened for your church, your family, or your calling, and wondering why the strategies that once brought growth and fruitfulness now seem to fall flat?
Are you yearning for fresh vision, deeper passion, and renewed purpose?
There is a way forward.
In a world fractured by half-truths and half-lived faith, Those Who Serve the Lord calls pastors, leaders, and everyday believers to embody the new humanity of the new creation—mind, heart, body, and soul—for the renewal of all things.
Get ready for theologically rich, culturally grounded conversations that are both profound and practical—never dry, never detached.
Join Travis Michael Fleming—pastor, public theologian, and cultural apologist—as he walks alongside you to help you live out your calling. Because your faith matters, your work is not in vain, and the Lord is with you every step of the way.
Latest episodes

Mar 31, 2023 • 1h 15min
#161 | Inalienable: How Marginalized Kingdom Voices Can Help Save The American Church | Eric Costanzo, Daniel Yang, & Matthew Soerens
Travis welcomes Eric Costanzo, Daniel Yang, & Matthew Soerens to the show to discuss their book, Inalienable: How Marginalized Kingdom Voices Can Help Save The American Church. This is a conversation about biblical hope. Henry Blackaby once said, "Find out where God is working and join him there." That's what this is about. God is working in the nations in a way reminiscent of Revelation 7:9-10 kind of way, "After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands. And they were shouting with a great roar, 'Salvation comes from our God who sits on the throne and from the Lamb!'”God has brought the nations to our shore in the West. And we need to ask ourselves, why? What is God doing and how can we join Him in that? Listen in and find out!Get the book.Read about Daniel.Read about Eric. Read more about Matt and get his book, Welcoming the Stranger.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 28, 2023 • 1h 6min
#160 | Analog Christian | Jay Y. Kim
We welcome Jay Y. Kim back to the show to talk about his new book, Analog Christian. How do we cultivate the fruit of the Spirit in a digitized world? How is our technology forming us? Is it making our lives better or worse or a bit of both? Maybe we should go Amish? It's an entertaining conversation sure to enlighten, challenge, and give you hope. Jay serves as lead pastor of teaching at WestGate Church in the Silicon Valley of CA and teacher-in-residence at Vintage Faith Church in Santa Cruz, CA. Some of his written work has been featured in Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, Relevant, Missio Alliance, Outreach, Pastor Resources, and other places.We previously spoke with Jay about his book Analog Church (InterVarsity Press, 2020). It's about the many challenges and opportunities churches face in the digital age, offering a new and hopeful way forward. You can learn more about Jay here. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 24, 2023 • 49min
#159 | What's An Evangelical? It's Complicated, Pt. 2 | Mark Noll
In the second part of our conversation where Travis and Mark continue their discussion of evangelicalism. What happens when what we claim we believe doesn’t match up with the way we live? When we claim to believe in a new birth through Christ but still cling to beliefs, ways of looking at the world and even actions that are a lot worse than problematic? What caused evangelicalism to become so politicized in the US? should we even call ourselves evangelicals anymore?If you thought part one of my conversation with Mark Noll was complicated, well, I hate to say it, but it’s going to get more complicated. We discuss evangelicalism, indigenous peoples, global evangelicalism, and a whole lot more! Mark is one of the leading church historians in the English-speaking world. Recently retired as the Francis A. McAnaney Professor of History at the University of Notre Dame and before that he served as Professor of History and Theological Studies at Wheaton College. His taught courses on American religious and intellectual history, the Reformation, world Christianity, and Canadian history. Dr. Noll has written and edited numerous books, most recently including Evangelicals: Who they Have Been, Are Now, and Could Be (with George Marsden and David Bebbington, Eerdmans, 2019), In the Beginning Was the Word: The Bible in American Public Life (OUP, 2015), From Every Tribe and Nation: A Historian’s Discovery of the Global Christian Story (Baker Academic, 2014), Jesus Christ and the Life of the Mind (Eerdmans, 2011), and Clouds of Witnesses: Christian Voices from Africa and Asia (co-written with Carolyn Nystrom, IVP, 2011). He has also served on the editorial boards for Books & Culture and Christian History, and as co-editor of Library of Religious Biography for Wm. B. Eerdmans. In 2006 he received the National Endowment for the Humanities medal at the White House. Dr. Noll currently lives in Wheaton, Illinois, with his wife, Maggie.Check out Mark's books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 21, 2023 • 53min
#158 | What's An Evangelical? It's Complicated, Pt. 1 | Mark Noll
We welcome Mark Noll to the show! Travis and Mark discuss evangelicalism, what it is, who fits the label, and what the label means globally speaking. The term "evangelical" has become ubiquitous, with it being coopted by various groups and media to the point that some no longer want to use the term. Should we use it? What does it even mean? And what does it mean for us today? It would be lovely if the lines were nice and neat, but almost like everything else in our world today, it's complicated. Mark is one of the leading church historians in the English-speaking world. Recently retired as the Francis A. McAnaney Professor of History at the University of Notre Dame and before that he served as Professor of History and Theological Studies at Wheaton College. His taught courses on American religious and intellectual history, the Reformation, world Christianity, and Canadian history. Dr. Noll has written and edited numerous books, most recently including Evangelicals: Who they Have Been, Are Now, and Could Be (with George Marsden and David Bebbington, Eerdmans, 2019), In the Beginning Was the Word: The Bible in American Public Life (OUP, 2015), From Every Tribe and Nation: A Historian’s Discovery of the Global Christian Story (Baker Academic, 2014), Jesus Christ and the Life of the Mind (Eerdmans, 2011), and Clouds of Witnesses: Christian Voices from Africa and Asia (co-written with Carolyn Nystrom, IVP, 2011). He has also served on the editorial boards for Books & Culture and Christian History, and as co-editor of Library of Religious Biography for Wm. B. Eerdmans. In 2006 he received the National Endowment for the Humanities medal at the White House. Dr. Noll currently lives in Wheaton, Illinois, with his wife, Maggie.Check out Mark's books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 17, 2023 • 1h 8min
#157 | A Post-Deep Conversation on Collin Hansen's book | Timothy Keller's Intellectual and Spiritual Formation
As a follow-up to our episode with Collin Hansen on Tim Keller, we wanted to delve deeper into Keller's influence and how we have been influenced by him to water our worlds. Apollos Watered, audio engineer, Wayne Stender, joins Travis as we discuss Keller's influence and how it has influenced us at Apollos Watered. We each come from our own cultural vantage point and it's important for each of us, who are attempting to accomplish God's mission in our lives, to understand how the outworking of the mission can actually shift according to our specific cultural context. Get Collin's book on Keller.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 14, 2023 • 1h 1min
#156 | Timothy Keller: His Spiritual and Intellectual Formation | Collin Hansen
We welcome Collin Hansen to the show! Collin serves as vice president of content and editor-in-chief for The Gospel Coalition, hosts the Gospelbound podcast, and has written and edited many books. His most recent book is on Tim Keller, one of the early 21st-century cultural shepherds. Keller's life and work have influenced thousands if not millions. And this book is a look into the intellectual and spiritual influences that shaped him. It's an insightful and fun conversation that will inspire you, equip you, and make you laugh along the way. Collin and Travis talk about all things Keller: his home life, those who knew him in his formative years, and the authors, teachers, institutions, and leaders who influenced him. But this is not a conversation just about Tim, it's almost as much about Kathy. If that were all then it would be fantastic, but there is so much more! Tractors/tractor pulling, the Dakotas, failures in leadership, George W. Bush, Tolstoy, Anna Karenina, A Gentleman in Moscow, and Russian realist fiction!Get the book.Get some of Collin's other books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 10, 2023 • 1h 4min
#155 | The Dominance of Evangelicalism: The Age of Spurgeon and Moody, Pt. 2 | David Bebbington
Part 2 of our conversation with British historian David Bebbington! Dr. Bebbington is a professor of History at the University of Stirling in Scotland and a distinguished visiting professor of history at Baylor University. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh and the Royal Historical Society. In this second part of our conversation, David takes us on a journey of discovery of evangelicalism around the world. We discuss the difference between evangelicalism in the U.S. and the U.K., Shawnee Baptists in Oklahoma, and charismatics vs. Pentecostals. There is also some discussion on the monarchy and laments a lack of interest in theology in our current cultural moment. This conversation is one of hope. While geeky, it is a great and inspirational conversation. A truly must-listen. Get his biography written by his wife, Eileen Bebbington.Check out his Wikipedia bio.Get his book on Moody & Spurgeon.Check out some of his other books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 8, 2023 • 1h 1min
#154 | The Dominance of Evangelicalism: The Age of Spurgeon and Moody, Pt. 1 | David Bebbington
We welcome British historian David Bebbington to the show! David Bebbington is one of the world's leading historians in the English-speaking world on the history of evangelicalism. He is a professor of History at the University of Stirling in Scotland and a distinguished visiting professor of history at Baylor University. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh and the Royal Historical Society. He is also a fan of quadrilaterals, American beef, and cars with rear-window windshield wipers :-)In this first part of our conversation, David takes us on a journey through the evangelical movement and how it was shaped by two of its greatest and most prestigious figures: Dwight Lyman Moody and Charles Haddon Spurgeon. He shows us how these two men shaped a great deal of evangelicalism as we know it today. He also discusses how cultural forces such as the Enlightenment and the Romantic period shaped our faith (and are still shaping it today), some of the characteristics that identify evangelicals, and the famous quadrilateral that bears his name. One of our most wonderful and geekiest of conversations, this conversation is informative, insightful, and fun. David acts as a trusted guide helping us see and understand what evangelicalism is, how we can trace its development, and how it is shaping us today.Get his biography written by his wife, Eileen Bebbington.Check out his Wikipedia bio.Get his book on Moody & Spurgeon.Check out some of his other books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Mar 3, 2023 • 48min
#153 | Cultural Counterfeits, Pt. 2 | Jen Oshman
Jen Oshman is back for this second part of our conversation as we continue to discuss her book, Cultural Counterfeits! Jen pulls back the curtain on some of the cultural counterfeits that have ensnared so many. They discuss personhood, the goodness of the body, sex, singleness, marriage, pregnancy, and a whole host of other issues!Jen helps uncover some of the counterfeits of our contemporary culture and then provides a way forward of true hope and joy. Jen acts as a guide on the journey of faith, showing what is good and exposing the counterfeit idols of our age that attempt to seduce and distract us from a pure devotion to Christ. It's an encouraging and insightful discussion into the counterfeit idols of our age. Learn more about Jen. Get the book and check out her other books. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Feb 28, 2023 • 44min
#152 | Cultural Counterfeits, Pt. 1 | Jen Oshman
We welcome Jen Oshman to the show! Have you ever purchased something only to discover too late that it was a counterfeit, a fake? We all have! There are counterfeits everywhere, including in what we believe about the world. There are ideas that attempt to show themselves as fulfilling and satisfying but only lead to heartache and sorrow. Jen helps uncover some of the counterfeits of our contemporary culture and then provides a way forward of true hope and joy. Jen acts as a guide on the journey of faith, showing what is good and exposing the counterfeit idols of our age that attempt to seduce and distract us from a pure devotion to Christ. It's an encouraging and insightful discussion into the counterfeit idols of our age. Learn more about Jen. Get the book and check out her other books. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!