Some of my Best Work with Eric Hoke

Today’s Special Edition of “Your Best Work: The Podcast” features audio from Covo Con with Jon Rush. We discuss the next generation of leaders, side hustles, and embracing your weirdness in ministry. * Co-Vocational Ministry is Financially and Spiritually Sustainable – Jon Rush embraced co-vocational ministry after realizing that relying solely on a church salary wasn’t financially viable for his growing family. Having multiple income streams allows pastors to serve without financial strain.* Embracing Your Inner "Misfit" Can Lead to Effective Ministry – John reaches people who feel like outcasts, primarily through gaming and online spaces. He encourages embracing what makes you unique and connecting with those who might not fit into traditional church settings.* Gen Z and Gen Alpha Respond to Co-Vocational Leaders – Younger generations value flexibility and entrepreneurship. Seeing pastors who work in both ministry and the marketplace makes faith more relatable and accessible to them.* Authenticity and Niche Focus Are Key – Instead of being a generic "consultant" or "thought leader," Jon found success by focusing on his specific passions—youth ministry and video games. Pastors looking for side income should lean into their expertise and interests rather than chasing trends.* Being Co-Vocational Increases Ministry Freedom – John believes that additional income streams allow pastors to take roles where they feel called, rather than being forced into positions based on financial need. This also helps churches allocate more resources to outreach instead of salaries.* Relationships Matter More Than Networking – Building real relationships, rather than transactional networking, leads to genuine opportunities. John intentionally connects with people on social media in an organic way, which has led to unexpected ministry and business opportunities.* Ministry Should Engage with Culture, Not Avoid It – John leverages gaming culture to build a ministry, even organizing a communion service in Fortnite. Engaging with cultural trends rather than dismissing them helps reach people where they are.* Know and Serve the Next Generation – The best way to reach Gen Z and Gen Alpha isn’t through statistics and spending time with them. Instead of overanalyzing data, church leaders should invest in genuine relationships with young people.* Financial Stability Helps Long-Term Ministry – Co-vocational pastors avoid burnout by having multiple income sources, ensuring they can continue serving even if church finances change.* The Future of Ministry is Bi-Vocational and Digital – Jon sees digital platforms as a mission field. He encourages pastors to embrace online ministry, social media, and content creation as legitimate ways to disciple people.If you have questions on calling, vocation and identity that you’d like me to address on this platform, just respond to this e-mail and I’d be happy to answer. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com

Asking for a Raise When It’s Not Raise SeasonThis question was asked by someone who’s taken on extra work after a team member’s departure and wants to request a raise without seeming ungrateful:* Frame It as Contribution: Approach your boss with a solution, not a complaint. “I’ve handled Ken’s tasks for six months—could we nest their roles into my job description permanently?”* Extend Value, Not Demands: Highlight benefits to the company. “This could save hiring costs; I’d like to discuss fair compensation for the added scope.”* Market Test Yourself: Apply for other jobs every 3-5 years to know your worth—use offers to negotiate thoughtfully or switch if better.* Avoid Ultimatums: Don’t say “match this or I’m gone”; try “I’d prefer to stay—how can my growth here align with this offer?”* Build on Trust: Ensure a strong relationship with your manager, as leveraging external offers can risk trust if mishandled.* Increase Earning with Impact: More contribution justifies more pay—don’t ask for a raise without adding value first.Hiring a Spiritual Director for Life TransitionsA reader those curious about my decision to hire a spiritual director and how it differs from a pastor or therapist:* Seek Faith-Focused Guidance: Hire a spiritual director for major transitions (e.g., my move from New York to Pennsylvania) to discern God’s role in my transitions.* Define Your Need: Therapy digs into mental health; spiritual direction deepens faith and purpose—I chose it for a Christ-centered focus over self-focus.* Plan Midlife Intentionally: At 37, nearing half my lifespan, I used a director to shape my 40s-70s purposefully, inspired by Richard Rohr’s work.* Differentiate from Pastors: Pastors equip congregations, not individuals one-on-one long-term—their role as broader than personal direction.* Find the Right Fit: Unlike therapy’s mixed results, spiritual director Tim Pynes offers tailored, ongoing support twice monthly.* Explore for Yourself: If intrigued, research spiritual direction—it’s distinct from therapy’s coping tools or a pastor’s community leadership.This podcast episode was produced by Jeffrey Riggs.Music by Fyodor Zharkov from PixabayMy Spiritual Director is Tim PynesAs always, thanks for listening, and if you have questions you’d like me to address on the podcast - simply reply to this e-mail. This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com

Today’s Special Edition of “Your Best Work: The Podcast” is audio from Covo Con with Dr. Eun Strawser as we talk Shared Leadership. Here are some practical takeaways.* Shared Leadership is Essential – Ministry was never meant to be done alone. Eun Strasser emphasizes the importance of decentralizing leadership and empowering others to take ownership in the church.* Co-Vocational vs. Bi-Vocational Ministry – Co-vocational ministry is an intentional choice to remain financially independent from the church, whereas bi-vocational ministry is often a funding strategy. Co-vocational leaders demonstrate that discipleship isn't reserved for full-time clergy.* Discipleship Must Be Intentional – True discipleship isn’t about drawing crowds but about forming committed followers of Jesus who, in turn, disciple others. A smaller, deeper focus leads to greater long-term impact.* The Four Spaces of Belonging Matter – Discipleship happens in different contexts:* Intimate Space (3-4 people): Best for deep vulnerability and personal growth.* Personal Space (5-12 people): Best for learning and developing discipleship skills.* Social Space (20-50 people): Creates a sense of belonging and shared purpose.* Public Space (70+ people): Best for proclamation and making faith visible.* Missional Communities Multiply Effectively – Instead of a traditional church model, Eun’s church plants focus on missional communities, small groups deeply engaged in their neighborhoods. Their model grew from 12 people to 9 communities serving over 650 people.* Church is More Than Sunday Services – Many churches focus on attendance, but the true measure of success is whether a community is being transformed. Eun’s team prioritized serving the vulnerable, which led to long-term impact beyond a worship gathering.* Faith in Action Speaks Louder Than Words – During the pandemic, instead of trying to “pivot online,” her church asked, “Who needs help?” They fed 500 seniors monthly and created a sustainable model of discipleship through service.* Public Worship Should Engage the Community – Instead of traditional services, their church holds public gatherings that address societal issues, such as honoring marginalized groups and contending with systemic injustices.* Jesus’ Model of Leadership is Worth Following – Eun intentionally invests in a small group of disciples, just as Jesus did. By focusing deeply on a few, she has seen exponential multiplication in leadership and community impact.* Anyone Can Be a Disciple-Maker – The work of discipleship isn’t limited to pastors; every follower of Jesus is called to make disciples, regardless of their job or title.If you have questions on calling, vocation and identity that you’d like me to address on this platform, just respond to this e-mail and I’d be happy to answer. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com

Today’s episode of “Your Best Work: The Podcast” I am fielding your questions regarding how to stand out as a content creator and and creative ways to fund your church plant. Here is the highlights:How to Stand Out as a Content CreatorIf you want to write a book and build an audience, these strategies can help:* Find Your Niche: There are "riches in niches." Be very specific about who you're trying to reach.* Leverage Personal Experience: Identify a challenge you’ve overcome and serve those who need that guidance.* Prioritize Consistency Over Quality: Posting frequently matters more than perfect content.* Repurpose Content Across Platforms: One podcast can be turned into multiple social media posts, articles, and videos.* Build Community, Not Just Content: Engage with your audience rather than just pushing out content.* Grow an Email List: Emails are 50x more valuable than social media followers. Offer something free in exchange for sign-ups.2. Funding a Church Plant in a High-Cost AreaFor an aspiring church planter wondering whether to quit their job:* Don’t Quit Your Job Too Soon: Many church planters struggle financially when they jump in full-time too early.* Bi-Vocational Model: Keep a job while growing the church, though this method has limitations.* Fundraising Approach: Treat church planting like missionary work, raising funds from churches and individuals.* Creative Funding Model (Preferred Approach): Diversify revenue streams:* High-flexibility job for steady income.* Internal giving from the congregation.* Support from individuals and churches.* Grants and denominational backing.* Renting church space for community services.If you have questions on calling, vocation and identity that you’d like me to address on this platform, just respond to this e-mail and I’d be happy to answer.This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com

Highlights & Practical Takeaways from the How to Detox without Deconstructing:Main Themes:* Detox Without Deconstruction:* The conversation focuses on how pastors can transition out of ministry (or into a new phase of ministry) without losing their faith.* Detoxing from unhealthy aspects of ministry is different from fully deconstructing and abandoning faith.* Identity & Vocation:* Many pastors tie their identity to their role, making transitions difficult.* Guy shares how he had to redefine his identity beyond being a senior pastor.* Navigating Career Transitions:* Pastors often wrestle with vocational shifts but fear losing purpose.* The Patterson Life Plan was a pivotal tool in guiding Guy through career changes.* Church Planting Realities:* The romanticized vision of church planting often doesn’t align with reality.* The heartbreak of not seeing expected growth can lead to grief and even bitterness.* Challenges in the Modern Church Model:* Traditional church structures (financial models, leadership hierarchies) often hinder effectiveness.* Guy now prefers micro-church and community-driven models over large, attractional churches.* Finding Community After Leaving Ministry:* One of the biggest struggles after stepping away from full-time ministry is finding deep, meaningful community.* Many former pastors realize how much of their social life was built into their pastoral role.Practical Takeaways:* Reassess Your Calling Regularly:* Ministry doesn’t have to be tied to a local church staff position.* God’s calling may include work outside traditional church settings.* Prioritize Identity in Christ Over Role:* A role change doesn’t mean a loss of worth.* Be intentional about defining identity beyond “Pastor [Your Name].”* Expect Grief in Transition:* Leaving ministry can feel like a major loss.* Take time to process it healthily—don’t let grief turn into bitterness.* Invest in a Support System Early:* Build relationships outside of your ministry role before transitioning.* This prevents feelings of isolation when you leave a church position.* Consider a Life Plan Process:* Guy highly recommends structured life-planning frameworks to help with major transitions.* Having a coach or mentor to guide decision-making is invaluable.* Explore Alternative Church Models:* If traditional church leadership feels restrictive, microchurch or polycentric leadership structures might be a better fit.* Ministry can happen in new and innovative ways.* Be Mindful of Deconstruction vs. Detox:* Removing toxic elements of ministry (burnout, unrealistic expectations) is necessary.* But avoid throwing away faith altogether—healing and refining are possible.If you want to stay in touch with Guy or are interested in his services as a Certified LifePlan Facilitator, his e-mail is guywasko@gmail.com.As always, thanks for listening, and if you have questions you’d like me to address on the podcast - e-mail me at eric@ihelppastorsgetjobs.com.This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com

Thank you so much for everyone who listened to and supported my debut podcasts last week (and for your feedback on making the audio better, I asked for a podcast mic for my birthday):Today’s episode is your questions answered, and here were the questions I was asked and aimed to answer:How do you ensure you don’t feel at your side hustle?* Failure is likely in early stages; expect to pivot rather than quit.* Start small with minimal risk before scaling up.* Reframe failure as an opportunity to iterate and improve.* Don’t let fear of others' opinions stop you from trying.How has prayer played a role in your side hustle?* Avoid using prayer as a form of procrastination—"When you pray, move your feet."* Balance introspection (alone time) with seeking counsel from mentors and peers.* Side hustles require perseverance; expect challenges and sacrifices.* Your work and struggles refine your character rather than define you.Takeaways:* Start small, test ideas, and iterate.* Don’t overthink—take action and learn from failure.* Use prayer for guidance, but don’t let it stall your progress.* Lean on mentors and community for direction.* Expect hardships as part of meaningful work.As always, thanks for listening, and if you have questions you’d like me to address on the podcast - simply reply to this e-mail. This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com

Today’s episode of “Your Best Work: The Podcast” I am fielding your questions regarding side hustles and how to find a mentor.Question 1: What kind of Side Hustle should I do? * Avoid generic side hustles (Uber Eats, barista jobs) and instead, leverage existing skills from your full-time job.* Identify what comes naturally to you and what people are already willing to pay for.* Example: If you’re skilled in operations, consider becoming a wedding coordinator as a niche, high-value side hustle. Call it Hitched without a Hitch!* Start small and focus on monetizing what you do best rather than taking on unrelated work.Question 2: How can I find a mentor? * Set realistic expectations—mentors are not therapists or lifelong guides.* Seek advice from people a year or two ahead of you, rather than high-profile experts.* Be specific in your requests; a quick email exchange can be more impactful than a formal mentorship.* Sometimes, mentorship is worth paying for, especially in areas like executive coaching or skill development.Takeaways:* Choose a side hustle that builds on your existing strengths.* Think strategically—don’t just trade time for money.* Mentorship is valuable, but keep your expectations reasonable.* Invest in guidance when needed—sometimes, paying for mentorship is the best move.If you have questions on calling, vocation and identity that you’d like me to address on this platform, just respond to this e-mail and I’d be happy to answer. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit erichoke.substack.com