Unashamed with the Robertson Family

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Oct 29, 2025 • 48min

Ep 1197 | The Robertsons’ First Encounters with Pornography

Jase, Al, and Zach open up with raw honesty about their first encounters with pornography, how early exposure warped their understanding of intimacy, and the damage it caused in their own lives and marriages. They share how confession, community, and God’s grace became the foundation for lasting healing and freedom. The guys highlight how pornography’s reach has become a modern scourge, but also how partners like Covenant Eyes are giving families real tools to fight back. There’s hope for the next generation, who are beginning to see pornography for what it truly is: a counterfeit version of love that steals joy and connection, but can be overcome through faith, accountability, and truth. In this episode: Matthew 6, verses 22–23; Matthew 5, verses 27–30; Job 31, verse 1 (and verse 10); Genesis 39; James 5, verse 16; Ezekiel 36, verse 26; 1 Samuel 16, verse 7; Zechariah 9, verses 16–17 “Unashamed” Episode 1197 is sponsored by: http://frontline21.com — Embrace biblical masculinity. Download the Frontline21 field guide for men and 21-day devotional at no cost to you. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-07:35 It starts with believing a lie 07:36-16:35 Porn is a frontline battle for our society 16:38-22:10 The real statistics of pornography 22:11-27:13 Porn changes your brain chemistry 27:14-32:08 Having real-life sex is hard work 32:09-37:54 What does Jesus say about porn? 37:54-42:46 Sexual sin starts in the heart 42:47-47:56 What you can do to overcome porn addiction — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 28, 2025 • 57min

Ep 1196 | Jase Battles Duck-Struck Airplane Chaos, Reed Pops In & Who Is the Antichrist?

Jase recounts a travel gauntlet worthy of its own sitcom, including an in-air collision with his favorite waterfowl, before walking into a rough crowd where his jokes flop. But a heartfelt tribute to Missy leaves her beaming and Al and Zach taking notes for their own playbooks. The surprise arrival of Jase’s son Reed turns the conversation serious as the guys continue through John 18, contrasting Christ’s unshakable kingdom with the seductive traits of the antichrist and the deceivers who twist truth for power. In this episode: Exodus 33; John 18, verses 28–40; 1 Corinthians 10, verse 4; Daniel 2, verses 34–35, 44–45; Ephesians 2; Mark 1, verse 15; Matthew 6, verse 13 (doxology note); John 17; 1 John 2; 1 John 4; 2 John, verse 7 “Unashamed” Episode 1196 is sponsored by: Stand firm for values that matter. Join the fight & give today at https://www.frc.org/unashamed https://tomorrowclubs.org/unashamed — For a limited time, all donations to this “Binga Blitz” will be matched! Join us now and double your impact! https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al is finally losing weight! Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900 https://andrewandtodd.com or call 888-888-1172 — These guys are the real deal. Get trusted mortgage guidance and expertise from someone who shares your values! https://duckstamp.com/unashamed — Get your all-new digital duck stamp today. It’s easier than ever! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-03:49 What annoys Jase about Zach 03:50-14:51 Jase scores an “I was right” over Missy14:52-22:35 If the cornerstone isn’t right, nothing will be 22:36-26:45 What makes the anti-Christ?26:46-32:00 How to make your wife beam happily 32:01-39:40 Rome finds Jesus innocent39:41-47:57 Modern signs that Jesus conquered Rome 47:58-56:22 Jesus mic drops on Pilate — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 27, 2025 • 57min

Ep 1195 | Jase Officiates His Son’s Wedding & Miss Kay’s Blessing to the Newlyweds Moves Jase to Tears

Jase steps into one of the most personal moments of his life: officiating his youngest son Cole’s wedding. He opens the ceremony with a risky joke before laying out God’s blueprint for an abundant life and a marriage rooted in Jesus. Miss Kay’s handwritten message to the newlyweds leaves the family in tears, and quoting Phil’s classic line about marriage has the guests cracking up. Al and Zach how God’s design for marriage transforms families for generations. In this episode: Genesis 1; Genesis 2, verse 24; Ephesians 5; Ephesians 6; First Corinthians 7, verse 28; Proverbs 22, verse 6 “Unashamed” Episode 1195 is sponsored by: http://frontline21.com — Embrace biblical masculinity. Download the Frontline21 field guide for men and 21-day devotional at no cost to you. https://www.puretalk.com/unashamed — Get PureTalk for just $25 a month. Make the switch today! Kimchi One from Brightcore – Improve your health, improve your life. Get 25% Off with code: UNASHAMED at https://mybrightcore.com/unashamed or dial (888) 404-9677 for up to 50% OFF and Free Shipping – ONLY when you call! https://duckstamp.com/unashamed — Get your all-new digital duck stamp today. It’s easier than ever! https://preborn.com/unashamed — Visit the PreBorn! website or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-08:15 Jase marries off another son 08:15-13:29 The bridal party drill sergeant13:30-18:48 Jase runs the wedding gauntlet 18:39-29:12 A risky ceremony joke pays off 29:13-32:22 Phil & Miss Kay’s message to their newlywed grandkids 32:23-40:04 How to raise godly children 40:05-46:04 Jase wasn’t crying, he had something in his eye 46:05-50:20 Talk about Jesus to your kids 50:21-55:41 Wedding night jokes — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 24, 2025 • 50min

Ep 1194 | John Luke Robertson Endures a Plague of His Own & Exodus Confirms Demonic Forces

Al, Zach, John Luke, and Christian explore the demonic powers revealed in Exodus as the plagues close in on Pharaoh’s Egypt. Al and Zach recall their visit to Auschwitz, where they both felt a chilling, decades-old evil that seemed to confirm the spiritual realities Scripture describes. Back home, John Luke faces his own “plague of biblical proportions,” though his version is admittedly more mundane than the ones that befell Egypt. The guys reflect on why God revealed His name as Yahweh, what that name means for believers today, and how our hearts must be positioned before we can truly enter His presence. In this episode: Exodus 5–10; Exodus 6, verses 1–7; Exodus 7, verse 17; Exodus 8 (select); Genesis 15, verses 9–17; Acts 17, verse 31; Ephesians 6, verse 12 Today's conversation is about lesson 3 of The Exodus Story taught by Hillsdale Professor Justin Jackson. Take the course with us at no cost to you! Sign up at ⁠http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/⁠ More about The Exodus Story: Explore God’s mercy as he leads Israel out of slavery in Egypt. Exodus is a central narrative of the Bible. It recounts the moment that God reclaims Israel as his people, rescues them from slavery in Egypt, and establishes the Ten Commandments to guide their moral and religious freedom as an independent society. In “The Exodus Story,” Professor of English Justin Jackson picks up the biblical narrative where his course on Genesis ended. Join Professor Jackson in learning about the nature of God’s mercy, human freedom, and the relationship between the divine and man. Enroll today to discover the beauty of God reclaiming the Israelites through his mercy and love in “The Exodus Story.” Sign up at http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-01:00 Opening prayer 01:00-06:10 What kept John Luke up all night 06:11-07:27 Phil’s reaction to podcast banter07:28-10:45 Inside a podcast hosts’s mind 10:46-15:29 Moses is afraid of his own people 15:30-19:10 Moses & the Titanic? 19:11-26:29 Egyptian magicians could have been aliens 26:30-36:18 The Bible says other gods are real36:19-39:39 Al & Zach encounter a real presence of evil39:40-45:41 Evil’s encroachment process spelled out 45:42-49:57 God’s presence can be dangerous — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 23, 2025 • 56min

Ep 1193 | Jase Lands in Hot Water on a Stranger’s Land & the Name of Jesus Gets Him Out

Jase shares the hilarious “tell” that gives away when a Robertson doesn’t like you, plus the rare name-drop that totally flopped. A tense run-in on private land turns into a witness moment when Jase drops the name of Jesus instead. Jase, Al, and Zach talk about finding your own “rooster-crow moment” and the surprising importance of fire throughout Scripture—from Peter’s denial to God’s refining work in every believer. In this episode: John 18, verses 15–27; John 21; 1 John 4, verses 1–2; Acts 2, verses 1–4 and 14; 1 Peter 1, verses 3–7; Ephesians 6 “Unashamed” Episode 1193 is sponsored by: Stand firm for values that matter. Join the fight & give today at https://www.frc.org/unashamed https://donewithdebt.com — Start building the life you deserve and talk with one of their strategists today. It’s FREE! https://tomorrowclubs.org/unashamed — Join us to bring Christ-centered discipleship to 40 more villages & 5,000 more kids by the end of the year. https://cozyearth.com/unashamed — Get up to 20% off when you use our link or code UNASHAMED!  https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al is finally losing weight! Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-05:36 NFL stars are getting baptized 05:37-16:16 Jase preaches to get out of a tight spot 16:17-23:12 Peter’s first denial of Jesus 23:13-28:21Jase brought a weapon to school   28:22-34:40 Peter comes full circle 34:41-41:06 The difference between Moses & Peter’s fires 41:07-50:11 Peter never looked at a chicken the same again 50:12-55:37 Zach faces down an attack dog — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 22, 2025 • 55min

Ep 1192 | Jase Responds to Trump’s Heaven Question: We All Fall Short But Jesus is the Way

Jase vents his frustration with the media's handling of President Trump’s recent comments about “getting into” heaven. The guys push back on checklist-based faith while acknowledging the balance between godly behavior and trusting in grace. Al and Zach pick their own walk-up songs, though it’s clear they don’t fully grasp the concept. The guys urge anyone with a platform to use it to point people to Jesus, noting that now is the time to be bold as more people seem open to spiritual matters. In this episode: Titus 3, verses 3–7; Romans 3, verse 23; Ephesians 3, verses 8–12; Psalm 51, verse 10; Genesis 1, verse 1; 1 Corinthians 3, verses 10–15; Hebrews 2, verse 11; Hebrews 11, verse 16; Romans 1, verse 16 “Unashamed” Episode 1192 is sponsored by: ONE NIGHT ONLY! “Off School Property" hits theaters October 23. Get tickets and watch an exclusive sneak peek: https://lifewise.org/unashamed https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with code UNASHAMED https://duckstamp.com/unashamed — Get your all-new digital duck stamp today. It’s easier than ever! https://preborn.com/unashamed — Visit the PreBorn! website or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. https://chministries.org/unashamed — See why Christians are ditching health insurance for good. Get a simpler alternative at half the cost! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-04:08 Chick-fil-A comes in at #1 04:09-14:28 The guys pick their “walk up” songs 14:29-18:46 The Bon Jovi church wedding 18:47-27:23 Is Trump getting into Heaven? 27:24-32:17 Charlie Kirk’s Medal of Honor ceremony 32:18-45:01 Good deeds won’t land you in heaven 45:02-54:33 God is the only true creator — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 21, 2025 • 57min

Ep 1191 | Jase Faces the Santa Dilemma That Launches a Lesson on Resurrection & Creation

SPOILER ALERT! This episode contains discussions of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. Listener discretion is advised in the presence of young children! The Mia Moo Mascot loses its head and Jase is forced to have an uncomfortable conversation with his three-year-old godson about Jesus, Santa, and all the other characters in kids’ lives. The guys turn to a thoughtful conversation about Santa, honesty, and how to protect a child’s wonder while pointing them toward lasting truth. They dive into the hope of the resurrection and the promise that creation itself will be made new, tracing how Scripture ties together red letters, black letters, and the story of real, bodily renewal for all who follow Christ. In this episode: 2 Corinthians 5, verse 1; 1 John 3, verse 2; Romans 8, verses 23–26; Ephesians 1; Ephesians 2; Galatians 3; 1 Corinthians 15; Acts 1; Acts 7; Acts 17; Hebrews 1, verses 1–2; 2 Peter 3, verses 15–16; Psalm 22, verses 1, 27, 31; Psalm 23; Psalm 67, verse 7 “Unashamed” Episode 1191 is sponsored by: ONE NIGHT ONLY! “Off School Property" hits theaters October 23. Get tickets and watch an exclusive sneak peek: https://lifewise.org/unashamed https://duckstamp.com/unashamed — Get your all-new digital duck stamp today. It’s easier than ever! https://www.puretalk.com/unashamed — Get PureTalk for just $25 a month. Make the switch today! Kimchi One from Brightcore – Improve your health, improve your life. Get 25% Off with code: UNASHAMED at https://mybrightcore.com/unashamed or dial (888) 404-9677 for up to 50% OFF and Free Shipping – ONLY when you call! https://rocketmoney.com/unashamed — Cancel unwanted subscriptions with Rocket Money. The average person save up to $740 a year when using all of the app's premium features! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-04:42 We love our military & veterans!  04:43-12:40 The difference between Santa & Jesus 12:41-19:50 Bring back enchantment in our kids 19:51-27:17 What will our post-resurrection bodies be like? 27:18-35:33 How the Holy Spirit intercedes for us 35:34-43:30 The “red letters” debate 43:31-49:52 Don’t elevate doctrine over Jesus 49:53-56:22 Ultimate unity in Jesus — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 20, 2025 • 56min

Ep 1190 | Jase Floats the Idea of an ‘Unashamed’ LIVE Tour & Gets Hyped Up With Tom Petty

Jase explains why Tom Petty’s “I Won’t Back Down” is his new walk-up song, and Zach pitches a wives-included “Unashamed Live” tour. Jase proves that Unashamed Nation is the best group of fans out there, and he reins in his rabbit holes long enough for the guys to finally dive into John 18’s illegal proceedings against Jesus, contrasting earthly power with sacrificial victory. They connect Pilate’s mockery of Jesus and the Barabbas exchange to the mission that carries the Word of God to the ends of the earth. In this episode: John 18; Matthew 26; Daniel 7; Daniel 2; Acts 1, verse 8; Acts 8; Acts 9; Isaiah 49, verse 6; Isaiah 52–53; Psalm 110; Ephesians 1; Romans 8; Romans 1, verse 16; Matthew 16; Ephesians 6 “Unashamed” Episode 1190 is sponsored by: ONE NIGHT ONLY! “Off School Property" hits theaters October 23. Get tickets and watch an exclusive sneak peek: https://lifewise.org/unashamed Stand firm for values that matter. Join the fight & give today at https://www.frc.org/unashamed https://ruffgreens.com — Get a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your dog today when you use promo code Unashamed! https://www.puretalk.com/unashamed — Get PureTalk for just $25 a month. Make the switch today! https://helixsleep.com/unashamed — Get 20% Off Sitewide! https://andrewandtodd.com or call 888-888-1172 — These guys are the real deal. Get trusted mortgage guidance and expertise from someone who shares your values! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-05:04 Jase pulls a pro fishing move 05:05-9:00 Proving Unashamed listeners are the best 9:01-19:11 A brief history of Tom Petty19:12-25:28 Floating an Unashamed Conference idea 25:29-29:31 Finally getting to John 18 29:32-38:40 Pontius Pilate fulfills messianic prophecy38:41-47:13 Using violence to change truth 47:14-56:03 Jesus destroys the walls between us — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 17, 2025 • 52min

Ep 1189 | Christian Huff Opens Up About Being the Father of Three Now & Why Did God Choose Moses?

Zach sees a fiery spectacle on his way to the studio, and Christian and John Luke have way too much fun connecting it to the “burning bush” story in Exodus. Al shares how meaningful it was to watch his grandchildren worship during Sunday church service, and the guys pivot to the heart of Exodus 3, reflecting on God’s name, “I Am,” and what holy ground really means when God draws near. They assess Moses' triumphs and failures to see why God chose him to lead Israel out of Egypt. In this episode: Exodus 3, verses 1–22; Exodus 19, verses 16–25; John 14, verses 1–6; Hebrews 12, verse 29 Today's conversation is about lesson 2 of The Exodus Story taught by Hillsdale Professor Justin Jackson. Take the course with us at no cost to you! Sign up at ⁠http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/⁠ More about The Exodus Story: Explore God’s mercy as he leads Israel out of slavery in Egypt. Exodus is a central narrative of the Bible. It recounts the moment that God reclaims Israel as his people, rescues them from slavery in Egypt, and establishes the Ten Commandments to guide their moral and religious freedom as an independent society. In “The Exodus Story,” Professor of English Justin Jackson picks up the biblical narrative where his course on Genesis ended. Join Professor Jackson in learning about the nature of God’s mercy, human freedom, and the relationship between the divine and man. Enroll today to discover the beauty of God reclaiming the Israelites through his mercy and love in “The Exodus Story.” Sign up at ⁠http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-09:20 Zach & The Burning Couch 09:21-18:01 Being Refined by Fire 18:02-25:08 Why It’s Good to Marry Into Money 25:09-34:04 Why God Chose Moses 34:05-43:10 God Is the Main Character 43:11-51:31 Spiritual Forces at Work in Egypt — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 16, 2025 • 60min

Ep 1188 | Jase & John Crist Swap Proposal Fails & Hard-Won Marriage Advice

Jase, Al, and Zach sit down with comedian John Crist to talk clean comedy in a cancel-culture world, comedy bombs, and how to recover with humility. Jase reacts to John’s recent engagement and, after confessing his own proposal fiasco, offers honest marriage counsel about apologizing and keeping humor alive. Jase ‘fesses up to finally watching one of John’s stand-up routines, and the guys debate trendy preachers and onstage finesse. The guys agree that laughter opens doors to vulnerability and true communication about tough subjects. “Unashamed” Episode 1188 is sponsored by: https://www.puretalk.com/unashamed — Make the switch today & save an extra 50% off your first month! https://preborn.com/unashamed — Visit the PreBorn! website or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. https://chministries.org/unashamed — See why Christians are ditching health insurance for good. Get a simpler alternative at half the cost! https://cozyearth.com/unashamed — Get up to 20% off when you use our link or code UNASHAMED! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Chapters: 00:00 - 14:59 Jase & Missy watched John's latest comedy special & have thoughts  15:00 - 17:59 Why Jase won't try comedy anymore  18:00 - 19:14 John's latest bit that failed at a comedy club  19:15 - 21:59 When Al's Fauci joke bombed at an event  22:00 - 24:59 Making jokes in varied crowds 25:00 - 25:44 One of Phil Robertson's corporate speaking gigs 25:45 -28:44 One joke Jase got from Phil & uses in every speech  29:45 - 31:34 Laugher breaks down walls  31:35 - 37:40 John's getting married!  38:41 - 41:09 Jase's marriage advice 41:10 - 51:01 Al's marriage advice  51:02 - 58:52 John set the bar really high with the proposal  — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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