

Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast
Barry Joseph & Broadway Podcast Network
Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast in an open invitation into the puzzle-loving, game-designing mind of Broadway legend Stephen Sondheim. Based on the acclaimed book by Barry Joseph, each episode uncovers the hidden world of Sondheim’s lifelong passion for treasure hunts, cryptic crosswords, parlor games, and more. Join Barry and his guests—puzzle-makers, game designers, and Sondheim aficionados—as they explore how Sondheim's playful designs delivered moments of clarity and connection for friends, colleagues, and anyone who's ever been captivated by his genius. Whether you’re a musical theater fan, a puzzlehead, or just Sondheim-curious, this series invites you to match minds with Sondheim. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, or click here.
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Sep 9, 2025 • 41min
#05 - Order Out of Chaos: Sondheim and Jigsaw Puzzles
Host Barry Joseph explores the profound connection between Stephen Sondheim and jigsaw puzzles. Joined by guests Michael Mitnick, an ardent collector of Sondheim memorabilia, and David Spira, co-creator of roomescapeartists.com, the trio delves into Sondheim's metaphorical view of puzzles in relation to art. The discussion spans from the unique jigsaw puzzles in Sondheim's collection, including promotional puzzles for his film 'The Last of Sheila,' to the custom-made puzzles he gave as opening night gifts for his Broadway shows. Through anecdotes and historical insights, this episode reveals how jigsaw puzzles reflect Sondheim's intricate mind and his attention to detail in both life and art.
This is the promised link to the photo discussed in this episode of Sondheim's wall of jigsaw puzzles in his Danbury CT home.
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00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim
00:57 Sondheim's Philosophy on Jigsaw Puzzles
01:30 Meet the Guests: Michael Mitnick and David Spira
02:04 Exploring Sondheim's Jigsaw Puzzle Collection
03:26 The Gold Boxes: The Last of Sheila
09:08 The Blue Boxes: Stave Puzzles
14:25 The White Boxes: Customized Stave Puzzles
17:38 Sondheim's Legacy and Personal Reflections
35:23 Conclusion and Credits
Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically transcription and text editing by Jenny Westfall, the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sep 2, 2025 • 52min
#04 - Seeking Sondheim in the Stacks: Mark Eden Horowitz
Barry is joined by Mark Eden Horowitz, a senior music specialist at the Library of Congress, to explore the lesser-known aspects of Sondheim's gaming legacy that can be found in their collections. The conversation spans the new Sondheim archives recently acquired by the Library, including his music and lyric sketches, manuscripts, and rare items like personal scrapbooks. Mark shares anecdotes about Sondheim's unique board games created for friends, like The Great Conductor Hunt and Stardom, and his involvement in digital games, emphasizing his lifelong passion for puzzles and games. The episode includes an analysis of an extremely rare recording from 1968 created by Sondheim for his friend and colleague Leonard Bernstein. The episode also includes an analysis of a mysterious, unsolved manuscript from the collection, urging listeners to explore it further. This engaging dialogue offers new insights into Sondheim’s creative genius, showcasing his meticulous work ethic and multifaceted interests, and the importance of publicly-accessible research collections.
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00:00 A Moving Experience with Sondheim
00:46 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
01:45 The State of Sondheim Archives
03:47 Exploring the Library of Congress
06:15 The Leonard Bernstein Collection
09:26 Mark's First Meeting with Sondheim
13:08 Creating 'Sondheim on Music'
16:57 Sondheim's Board Game Designs
27:07 Sondheim's Fascination with The Fool's Errand
28:53 Sondheim's Potential Career Shift to Game Design
30:23 Sondheim's Love for Video Games
33:30 Sondheim's Board Game Design for Leonard Bernstein
43:12 Exploring Sondheim's Unsolved Mysteries
45:12 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically transcription and text editing by Jenny Westfall, the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 26, 2025 • 1h 12min
#03 - Puzzles and Games in the Musicals of Sondheim, Part Two
Dive deep into how puzzles and games serve as leitmotifs throughout Stephen Sondheim's musical works with host Barry Joseph and co-host Gail Leondar-Wright in this second of two parts. Joined by a panel of Sondheim scholars and enthusiasts, including Doug Reside, Julie Klausner, Ben Rimalower, and Natalie Gerber, they explore key productions such as 'Into the Woods,' 'Putting It Together,' 'Road Show,' and Sondheim's final work, 'Here We Are.' The discussion highlights Sondheim's intricate play with word puzzles, musical motifs, and the structure of his shows. From examining the metaphorical use of poker in 'Road Show' to the surreal, game-like elements of 'Here We Are,' this episode offers a fresh lens through which to appreciate the genius of Sondheim's craft.
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00:00 Cold Open
00:47 Exploring Puzzles and Games in Sondheim's Musicals
01:32 Introducing Co-Host Gail Leondar-Wright
01:57 Discussing the First Episode and Gail's Insights
03:08 Guest Introduction: Doug Reside
04:05 Guest Introduction: Julie Klausner
06:34 Guest Introduction: Ben Rimalower
09:09 Guest Introduction: Natalie Gerber
10:04 Diving into 'Into the Woods'
13:57 Sondheim's Influence from Computer Games
21:54 The Puzzle of Sondheim's Wordplay
29:22 Spinning the Sondheim-O-Matic
29:53 Exploring 'Putting It Together'
32:32 Sondheim's Self-Parody and Playfulness
33:36 The Intricacies of 'Putting It Together'
36:50 Exploring 'Road Show' and Its Themes
38:07 The Game of Capitalism in 'Road Show'
43:23 Sondheim's Final Work: 'Here We Are'
44:54 Surrealism and Puzzles in 'Here We Are'
46:50 The Ambiguity of Sondheim's Endings
59:37 Reflections on Sondheim's Legacy
Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically transcription and text editing by Jenny Westfall, the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 19, 2025 • 1h 2min
#02- Stephen Sondheim and Escape Rooms
Dive into Stephen Sondheim's love for escape rooms, examining the cultural intersections between theater and interactive games. Featuring immersive theater creator Kellian Adams Pletcher, escape room enthusiasts Lisa and David Spira, and game studies expert Nicholas Fortugno, the discussion centers on Sondheim's love for this new medium. The episode includes anecdotes from escape room designers (Michael Counts, Taylor Myers) and players who experienced games with Sondheim (Jonathan Marc Sherman), illuminating his passion and commitment to the craft. The conversation also explores the broader cultural acceptance of escape rooms as legitimate art forms and their evolutionary journey from traditional puzzles to intricate immersive experiences. This episode will also ask: Do you know what time it is?
Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, or click here.
00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim
01:11 Guest Introductions
07:19 The Evolution of Escape Rooms
13:29 Taylor Myers on Paradiso and Immersive Theater
23:53 Michael Counts: The Intersection of Theater and Escape Rooms
29:46 Sondheim's Hidden Treasure Hunt
31:39 The Art of Game Design
36:56 Sondheim's Escape Room Adventures
43:09 Reflections on Escape Rooms and Art
47:44 Sondheim's Thoughts on Escape Rooms
54:12 Final Thoughts and Farewell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 12, 2025 • 1h 15min
#01 - Puzzles and Games in the Musicals of Sondheim, Part One
Join Sondheim expert Gail Leondar-Wright, musical theater enthusiast Eric Henwood-Greer, puzzle constructor Mark Halpin, and linguist Natalie Gerber as they dissect the clever intertwining of games and puzzles in Sondheim's works. Delve into how his obsession with wordplay shapes shows like 'Company' and 'Sweeney Todd.' Discover unique narrative techniques, such as the backward musical structures, and explore the emotional layers in 'Sunday in the Park with George.' These insightful discussions illuminate Sondheim's artistic genius through his playful approach.

Aug 3, 2025 • 2min
Introducing Matching Minds with Sondheim
Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast in an open invitation into the puzzle-loving, game-designing mind of Broadway legend Stephen Sondheim. Based on the acclaimed book by Barry Joseph, each episode uncovers the hidden world of Sondheim’s lifelong passion for treasure hunts, cryptic crosswords, parlor games, and more. Join Barry and his guests—puzzle-makers, game designers, and Sondheim aficionados—as they explore how Sondheim's playful designs delivered moments of clarity and connection for friends, colleagues, and anyone who's ever been captivated by his genius. Whether you’re a musical theater fan, a puzzlehead, or just Sondheim-curious, this series invites you to match minds with Sondheim. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, or click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices