Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors - The Best Interest

Today, Jesse is joined by Hanna Horvath—Certified Financial Planner, managing editor at Bankrate, and author of the Your Brain on Money newsletter—for a deep dive into the psychology behind our financial decisions and why money is never just about numbers. Together, they explore how unconscious “money scripts” formed in childhood shape lifelong habits, why emotional discipline matters more than willpower, and how anxiety shows up even for people who have “won the game” financially. Hanna explains how retirement brings not just financial questions but also an identity shift, making purpose and values as important as portfolio allocation. They discuss strategies for reframing our relationship with volatility, using fire-drill style planning to prepare for downturns, and creating small gaps between emotions and actions to avoid costly mistakes. Throughout, Jesse and Hanna remind listeners that building lasting wealth is less about chasing fads or quick wins and more about cultivating awareness, resilience, and intentionality in both mindset and money. Key Takeaways: • Money is never just about math—it’s deeply tied to psychology, emotions, and unconscious beliefs. • Emotional discipline means creating space between feelings and actions, not trying to eliminate emotions altogether. • Retirement isn’t just a financial transition—it’s a major identity shift that can create anxiety even for those who are financially prepared. • “Fire drills” for your financial plan can prepare you emotionally and practically for downturns before they happen. • Social media and sensational financial headlines amplify fear, making discernment and discipline even more critical. • Retirement satisfaction depends on aligning money decisions with personal values, whether that means family, travel, community, or freedom. Key Timestamps: (00:00) – The Psychology of Money: Fads and Mimetic Desire (15:35) – The Hedonic Treadmill and Financial Contentment (21:41) – Understanding Behavioral Loss Tolerance (32:03) – The Spectrum of Risk Tolerance (38:51) – Money Scripts and Financial Behavior (42:33) – The Importance of Emotional Discipline (47:31) – Identity Shift in Retirement (01:04:53) – DIY Investing and Self-Compassion Key Topics Discussed: The Best Interest, Jesse Cramer, Wealth Management Rochester NY, Financial Planning for Families, Fiduciary Financial Advisor, Comprehensive Financial Planning, Retirement Planning Advice, Tax-Efficient Investing, Risk Management for Investors, Generational Wealth Transfer Planning, Financial Strategies for High Earners, Personal Finance for Entrepreneurs, Behavioral Finance Insights, Asset Allocation Strategies, Advanced Estate Planning Techniques Mentions: Website: https://yourbrainonmoney.substack.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hanna-riley-horvath/ Mentions: https://bestinterest.blog/fad/ https://bestinterest.blog/eat-drink-and-be-content/ https://bestinterest.blog/behavioral-loss-tolerance/ More of The Best Interest: Check out the Best Interest Blog at https://bestinterest.blog/ Contact me at jesse@bestinterest.blog Consider working with me at https://bestinterest.blog/work/ The Best Interest Podcast is a personal podcast meant for education and entertainment. It should not be taken as financial advice, and is not prescriptive of your financial situation.  

Jesse dives into the common pitfalls investors face, like the allure of hasty Roth conversions and the cognitive bias of availability. He emphasizes understanding geometric averages over arithmetic ones for investment performance. A real listener case study illustrates the pitfalls of upfront tax payments. The discussion highlights the crucial role of financial planners in combating behavioral biases and effective tax strategies. Finally, Jesse warns against the dangers of internet advice, advocating for personalized, long-term financial planning.

Today, Jesse is joined by Kelan Kline, co-founder of The Savvy Couple, who shares his entrepreneurial journey from working as a jail deputy to building a successful online personal finance brand, emphasizing the importance of leveraging scalable income streams to achieve financial freedom. Kelan explains how entrepreneurship allows for more growth compared to a traditional nine-to-five by leveraging time, tools, and teams, and recounts how he and his wife carefully planned their transition by budgeting, paying off debt, and building a safety net before he quit his job. Kelan advocates starting with side hustles, particularly online opportunities like affiliate marketing, which offer flexibility and scalability, especially for people with limited time. He stresses the power of niching down to serve specific audiences deeply and shares lessons learned about the dangers of chasing shiny objects versus focusing on clear goals. Finally, he shares how they’ve diversified their income by expanding into real estate and pivoting toward AI-driven content creation, while building community initiatives like Freedom Builders to help others align their vision and master money on the path to financial independence. Key Takeaways: • Focus on high-leverage activities that maximize your time and financial return. • Niching down allows you to serve a specific audience better and grow faster. • Consistency and focus trump chasing every shiny new opportunity in entrepreneurship. • Risk-taking is necessary but should be balanced with a solid financial foundation. • Avoid multitasking across too many projects to prevent burnout and loss of focus. • Creating value first, then monetizing, is the key to sustainable online business growth. Key Timestamps: (00:00) - Financial Flexibility: The Key to Success (09:38) - Does Money Buy Happiness? (17:50) - Felicia's Inheritance: A Case Study (31:52) - Welcoming Kelan Kline (36:23) - Quitting the Job and Going Full-Time (38:01) - Evaluating Entrepreneurship: Is It Right for You? (42:31) - Risk Management in Entrepreneurship (47:39) - Diversifying Income Streams (59:32) - The Importance of Focus and Avoiding Shiny Object Syndrome (01:01:48) - Freedom Builders: A New Venture Key Topics Discussed:The Best Interest, Jesse Cramer, Wealth Management Rochester NY, Financial Planning for Families, Fiduciary Financial Advisor, Comprehensive Financial Planning, Retirement Planning Advice, Tax-Efficient Investing, Risk Management for Investors, Generational Wealth Transfer Planning, Financial Strategies for High Earners, Personal Finance for Entrepreneurs, Behavioral Finance Insights, Asset Allocation Strategies, Advanced Estate Planning Techniques Mentions: Website: https://thesavvycouple.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelan-kline/ Mentions: https://thesavvycouple.com/start/ https://bestinterest.blog/financial-flexibility/ https://bestinterest.blog/two-roads-to-financial-independence/ https://bestinterest.blog/inheritance/  More of The Best Interest:Check out the Best Interest Blog at https://bestinterest.blog/ Contact me at jesse@bestinterest.blog Consider working with me at https://bestinterest.blog/work/ The Best Interest Podcast is a personal podcast meant for education and entertainment. It should not be taken as financial advice, and is not prescriptive of your financial situation.  

Jesse tackles six thoughtful listener questions spanning a range of personal finance topics. He begins with a question about using Social Security and pension payments as a means to replace bonds in a retirement portfolio. Why do we own bonds, anyway? Then Jesse dives into long-term care insurance, a common sticky topic for aging retirees. Do they need to earmark dollars for long-term care? Next, he covers the taxation and distributions of inheritance assets, including sub-topics like probate, beneficiaries, trusts, and general estate planning tactics. He then covers equity compensation, breaking down RSUs, ISOs, NSOs, and ESPPs, and offers best practices for tax planning, diversification, and aligning with long-term goals. Mike then asks whether to invest $200,000 in cash currently sitting in a money market fund; Jesse outlines rational reasons for holding cash but warns against market timing, instead recommending a disciplined monthly investment plan. Finally, Paul inquires about the interaction between RMDs and sequence of returns risk, and Jesse reassures that while the concern is valid, proper planning—including Roth conversions, diversified withdrawals, and long-term strategy—can neutralize the potential damage. Key Takeaways: • Diversify your exposure—holding too much company stock can increase risk, so it’s often wise to sell and reinvest elsewhere once vesting or exercise occurs. • Planning ahead can reduce reliance on penalties or rigid strategies—consider building a taxable or Roth account alongside retirement funds. • Investors tend to lose more trying to time downturns than they do by staying invested through them. • Your plan should balance growth and stability, aiming to avoid forced sales in down markets while still meeting long-term goals. Key Timestamps: (00:00) - Diversification and Bonds in Retirement Portfolios (07:47) - Expectations for Stocks vs. Bonds (11:08) - Long-Term Care Insurance Deep Dive (25:08) - Taxation and Distribution of Inheritance Assets (38:49) - Revocable vs. Irrevocable Trusts: Control and Tax Implications (41:12) - Trust Distribution and Taxation (45:19) - Equity Compensation: RSUs, ISOs, NSOs, and ESPPs (51:49) - Best Practices for Managing Equity Compensation (59:28) - Market Timing and Cash Management Strategies (01:07:25) - RMDs and Sequence of Returns Risk Key Topics Discussed: The Best Interest, Jesse Cramer, Wealth Management Rochester NY, Financial Planning for Families, Fiduciary Financial Advisor, Comprehensive Financial Planning, Retirement Planning Advice, Tax-Efficient Investing, Risk Management for Investors, Generational Wealth Transfer Planning, Financial Strategies for High Earners, Personal Finance for Entrepreneurs, Behavioral Finance Insights, Asset Allocation Strategies, Advanced Estate Planning Techniques Mentions: https://bestinterest.blog/asset-liability-matching-aligns-your-money-to-your-future/ https://bestinterest.blog/all-ask-me-anything-ama-episodes/  More of The Best Interest: Check out the Best Interest Blog at https://bestinterest.blog/ Contact me at jesse@bestinterest.blog Consider working with me at https://bestinterest.blog/work/ The Best Interest Podcast is a personal podcast meant for education and entertainment. It should not be taken as financial advice, and is not prescriptive of your financial situation.

Peter Lazaroff, Chief Investment Officer at PlanCorp and host of The Long-Term Investor podcast, dives into the psychology of investing amid uncertainty. He highlights how media narratives can skew perceptions and urges a focus on business earnings. Peter discusses the importance of separating portfolio management from balance sheet concerns during downturns. He shares strategies for building a cash buffer before retirement and emphasizes the value of global diversification. Consistency in investment strategies is key, as is resilience in the face of market volatility.

Discover how over-optimization can backfire in personal finance. Learn about the risks of tax-loss harvesting and why it often yields minimal benefits when misapplied. Explore the complexities of Roth conversions and how they can unintentionally increase taxes. Jesse reveals that dividend investing isn't necessarily superior, emphasizing the importance of total return over mere yield. The conversation delves into asset allocation strategies and the hidden pitfalls of managing investments, urging a holistic view for long-term success.

Explore Warren Buffett's investment wisdom, focusing on long-term strategies and intrinsic value. Discover the importance of a margin of safety during market volatility and how to navigate irrational markets. Learn about the balance between concentration and diversification, and the value of economic moats. Trust and reputation emerge as foundational elements in successful investing, contrasting with the fleeting nature of market trends. This rich discussion serves as a guide for both investors and those seeking a principled life.

Join humorist Joe Saul-Sehy from Stacking Benjamins and Bill Yount from Catching Up to FI as they discuss financial priorities. They dive into the iceberg principle of stealth wealth, emphasizing that true riches often lie in what you don't spend. Joe shares amusing anecdotes about financial mishaps, while Bill highlights the evolving nature of spending through life’s seasons. Together, they explore how our emotional ties to money affect our choices, encouraging listeners to align spending with personal values for greater satisfaction.

Jesse answers a range of listener questions on topics including estate planning, life insurance, financial benefits of marriage, tax strategies for high earners, healthcare in retirement, and investing during economic uncertainty. He explains that heirs to traditional IRAs must pay income tax on withdrawals, while taxable accounts benefit from a step-up in basis, and argues that whole life insurance is generally a poor investment choice for most people. He outlines how married couples enjoy more financial advantages due to shared costs, tax benefits, and retirement perks, though singles benefit from greater autonomy. A high-earning listener weighing Roth versus traditional retirement contributions is advised to consider tax-bracket arbitrage in retirement or hedge with a 50/50 split. Jesse also dives into healthcare planning, covering employer plans, HSAs, COBRA, ACA subsidies, and Medicare, while stressing the complexity and importance of planning for long-term care. On investing, he cautions against trying to time recessions and emphasizes aligning investment strategies with individual goals, risk tolerance, and time horizons. Key Takeaways:• Traditional IRAs require heirs to pay income tax on withdrawals within 10 years, but this is deferred tax, not a penalty. • Whole life insurance is generally more expensive and offers lower returns than term insurance plus independent investing. • Married couples often benefit financially from economies of scale and joint tax advantages. Single individuals have greater financial control and simpler planning but may miss out on some systemic benefits for couples. • Healthcare planning is a critical but often overlooked aspect of retirement financial planning. Jesse discusses ACA, COBRA, and HSAs. • Short-term market volatility can be misleading; experiencing real losses helps build long-term investing discipline. • Selling stocks to avoid recession dips is risky because market recoveries often precede economic improvements, resulting in missed gains. Key Timestamps:(00:00) Question 1: Whole Life Insurance (17:47) Question 2: Financial Pros and Cons of Being Single vs. Married (27:19) Question 3: Roth vs. Traditional Accounts (37:54) Question 4: Planning for Healthcare Costs in Retirement (42:31) Maximizing HSA Growth with a Strategic Loophole (45:08) COBRA and ACA for Early Retirees (53:48) Medicare: Breaking Down the Basics (01:03:02) Question 5: Investment Strategies During Economic Uncertainty Key Topics Discussed:The Best Interest, Jesse Cramer, Wealth Management Rochester NY, Financial Planning for Families, Fiduciary Financial Advisor, Comprehensive Financial Planning, Retirement Planning Advice, Tax-Efficient Investing, Risk Management for Investors, Generational Wealth Transfer Planning, Financial Strategies for High Earners, Personal Finance for Entrepreneurs, Behavioral Finance Insights, Asset Allocation Strategies, Advanced Estate Planning Techniques Mentions:https://bestinterest.blog/is-benefits-hacking-genius-or-immoral/ Deep Risk: How History Informs Portfolio Design by William J. Bernstein More of The Best Interest:Check out the Best Interest Blog at bestinterest.blog Contact me at jesse@bestinterest.blog The Best Interest Podcast is a personal podcast meant for education and entertainment. It should not be taken as financial advice, and is not prescriptive of your financial situation.  

Today, Jesse is joined by Don McDonald to offer a critical examination of the financial advising and annuity industries, warning retirees and near-retirees about misleading sales tactics that exploit fear - especially the fear of market losses. They emphasize the importance of working with fee-only, fiduciary advisors who are legally obligated to act in clients' best interests, in contrast to commission-based salespeople who often obscure fees, misrepresent guarantees, and use charm to build trust. Drawing from Jason Zweig’s “19 Questions to Ask Your Financial Advisor,” Jesse highlights key criteria for evaluating advisors, including transparency, credentials, investment philosophy, and service scope. They condemn opaque fee structures, sales contests, and annuity marketing tactics - like steak dinners that pressure attendees into high-commission products - and describe most annuities as complex, wealth-threatening vehicles. Jesse adds practical suggestions like inquiring about an advisor’s succession plan, communication style, and client load, and stresses the value of education and evidence-based investing. The two advocate for comprehensive financial planning and alignment of advisor-client interests, with Don underscoring the importance of commitment to honesty, transparency, and fiduciary duty. Key Takeaways:• Annuity and investment salespeople often exploit retirees' fear of losing money in market downturns to sell high-fee products. • While there are niche use cases, many annuity products are expensive, opaque, and designed to benefit the seller more than the buyer. • You need to know what happens to your financial relationship if your advisor retires or leaves. • State-level oversight often fails to protect consumers from misleading practices. • Know the difference between moral fiduciary responsibility and legal fiduciary responsibility. • It’s a red flag if an advisor recommends products they wouldn’t use for themselves. Key Timestamps:(00:00) Understanding Annuities and Financial Advisors (02:08) 19 Questions to Ask Your Financial Advisor (08:13) Conflicts of Interest in Financial Advising (12:56) Investment Philosophy and Market Timing (18:34) Professional Credentials and Requirements (23:07) Additional Questions for Your Financial Advisor (29:05) The Gamble of Annuities (34:34) The Deceptive World of Indexed Annuities (36:17) The Ethics of Financial Advisors (39:29) The Lack of Federal Oversight (46:38) Misleading Sales Tactics (49:42) Advice for Annuity Holders and Seekers (56:45) Don McDonald's Financial Talk Show Key Topics Discussed:The Best Interest, Jesse Cramer, Wealth Management Rochester NY, Financial Planning for Families, Fiduciary Financial Advisor, Comprehensive Financial Planning, Retirement Planning Advice, Tax-Efficient Investing, Risk Management for Investors, Generational Wealth Transfer Planning, Financial Strategies for High Earners, Personal Finance for Entrepreneurs, Behavioral Finance Insights, Asset Allocation Strategies, Advanced Estate Planning Techniques Mentions:Website: https://talkingrealmoney.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donmcdonald/   More of The Best Interest:Check out the Best Interest Blog at bestinterest.blog Contact me at jesse@bestinterest.blog The Best Interest Podcast is a personal podcast meant for education and entertainment. It should not be taken as financial advice, and is not prescriptive of your financial situation.