Everybody's Business

Leo Feler, an economist known for his insights on immigration policy, shares a harrowing account of an ICE raid at his renovation site, discussing its chilling economic impacts. He reveals how such raids lead to anxiety-driven behaviors in communities and disrupt local economies. Sean Fennessey, Chief Content Officer at The Ringer, analyzes Hollywood's struggles in 2025, highlighting issues like superhero fatigue and changing audience preferences. He passionately defends horror films as a resilient genre, recommending both classic and modern titles for Halloween.

Kyla Scanlon visits the studio armed with her three most pressing indicators of the state of the economy. What do we make of all those auto loan defaults? Is Jamie Dimon’s new $3 billion “fortress” a harbinger of fundamental changes in the labor market? And why does an economically anxious population keep on spending? Lots to discuss. Max and Stacey also sit down with David Papadopoulos to talk about the forthcoming, high stakes election in Argentina and try to make sense of the Trump administration’s attempt to help the country out: a currency swap. Is it a bailout or does the US really need $20 billion worth of pesos?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Make sense of the world with one essential conversation, every week. Mishal Husain, one of Britain's best interviewers, brings her signature blend of curiosity and tenacity to weekly conversations with world leaders, business titans, and cultural icons, revealing who they really are and how they see the world changing around them.Follow the podcast wherever you listen, so you don't miss an episode.https://link.podtrac.com/iu94w2n4See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we hear from Domer - a longtime prediction markets junky who has placed more than $400 million worth of bets using Polymarket. At any point he might have 1,000 or more bets on prediction market sites, ranging from wagers of a few thousand dollars to as much as $1 million, roughly the sum he put on Taylor Swift’s new album sales. Plus, Bloomberg Businessweek columnist Amanda Mull explains the premium credit card wars, and we discuss OpenAI's forthcoming foray into pornography.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Polymarket is a strange place. You can bet on the price of Ethereum, whether Russia and Ukraine will agree to a ceasefire this year or who the next French prime minister will be. As silly as this might sound, Polymarket is worth $8 billion, according to an investment by the owner of the New York Stock Exchange. This deal comes on the heels of the new partnership between the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and sports betting site FanDuel. Now, in addition to betting on wheat futures, you can bet your life savings on the Lions making it to the Super Bowl. (Side note: Please do not put your life savings on the Lions going to the Super Bowl).  For decades, Wall Street has fought the accusation that investing was “just gambling.” Banks, financial institutions, regulators and the US government have spent decades establishing credibility, legitimacy, oversight and institutions to distinguish Wall Street as much as possible from the nickel slots. Now it seems that Wall Street is embracing its inner casino. Does this shift mean investment banks, hedge funds and bond traders are really all about gambling now? Is there a difference between shorting Tesla and picking which Taylor Swift song will be the least streamed this week? (At least $500,000 is riding on Honey—check out our recent podcast on this very subject. This week , Bloomberg Odd Lots podcast co-host Joe Weisenthal joins Max and Stacey to talk betting markets, investing and what these new partnerships mean for the economy.  Also this week, Casey Newton, host of the Hard Fork podcast, joins to talk about the future of artificial intelligence. Worries about AI companies and technologies being over-valued have been making the rounds. If AI is indeed a bubble, the economic implications could be dire. At the same time, companies, think tanks and workers are desperately trying to game out what kind of impact AI will have on jobs and industries. Everyone, it seems, is placing their bets—and the stakes are high.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The federal government shut down on Wednesday, which in the near-term probably sounds worse than it is. Yes, 750,000 workers are expected to be furloughed and yes, certain functions including visitor centers at national monuments and the release of economic data will pause. But functions deemed “essential” are continuing: mail is still being delivered, courts are still open, airport security continues and animals at the National Zoo are being fed.  In other words, you might be forgiven for ignoring the latest dispute, which stems from a White House insistence that Democrats vote for a new spending bill and Democratic leaders insist the Republicans restore some of the massive cuts to health care they pushed through earlier this year before millions lose coverage. But this shutdown may play out differently, as Justin Wolfers, the University of Michigan economist and author, explains on this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business. The White House, led by budget director and Project 2025 author Russell Vought, has indicated it wants to go beyond merely furloughing staff–and instead use the threat of a crisis to make the kinds of drastic job cuts Donald Trump attempted in the early months of his second term. Like many of those cuts, these too are arguably illegal and already being challenged in court. The first round, under the auspices of Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency, was both wildly unpopular and disruptive, leading to a backlash that ultimately may have cost Republicans a special election in Wisconsin and forced Musk to leave the White House. The government shutdown gives Trump—through Vought this time—a second bite at the apple. Later on the episode, Bloomberg reporter Zeke Faux joins to talk about his latest story on Justin Sun, the crypto entrepreneur whose colorful life has included a diplomatic post in Grenada, spaceflights with Blue Origin, a prime minister post in a libertarian micronation and the purchase of one of the most talked-about works of art in recent memory. Most recently though, the headlines have centered around his dealings with Trump and how in just a few short months Sun managed to go from being sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission to seeing the case dropped and having dinner alongside the Republican president. Finally, we discuss the Bustle story about a supposed vibecession in sex work. Apparently, “sugar daddies” are cutting back on payments to their romantic partners, who have derisively begun calling them “Splenda daddies.” Stacey explains why, vibecession or no, the entire phenomenon is depressing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This year came with a promising start for Argentina. Inflation seemed under control, investment was coming back, double-digit poverty was (according to the government) beginning to fall and President Javier Milei—the chainsaw wielding, leather jacket-wearing, self-described libertarian—was being hailed by supporters as a tough-love leader bringing the country’s economy back from crisis. Milei also became a favorite of fellow political travelers to the north, namely Donald Trump and Elon Musk. But the year hasn’t been kind to Argentina or its populist leader. Once again, the country finds itself in crisis—crushing debt, panicked investors and the threat of political instability. But this time the US is pledging to help. The Trump administration has offered its support, both in terms of money and encouraging investment in Argentine businesses. This week, Max and Stacey talk to David Papadopoulos, executive editor of markets, about what happened and whether Milei can turn the economy around. Also this week, Lucas Shaw joins the show to talk about two of the modern kings of digital: David Ellison, son of Oracle founder Larry Ellison, who quickly became one of the most important players in Hollywood when his company Skydance snapped up Paramount last month; and MrBeast, the YouTube breakout star who has built an empire on video stunts (and more recently chocolate bars) and whose company, Best Industries, after years of astonishing growth, is experiencing growing pains. The show also explores the latest fad in workplace culture: Quiet cracking. The combination of low hiring rates, increasing workplace unhappiness and an uncertain economy is squeezing workers to the limit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business we're joined by Rohit Chopra, former director of the now largely kneecapped Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He argues that Trump’s efforts to apply political pressure to the Fed present an opportunity to scrutinize the central bank’s decision-making. Chopra points out that the Fed’s governors, who tend to either come from academia or Wall Street, originally came from a more eclectic array of backgrounds—with perhaps more sensitivity to the needs of small business owners and consumers. “I really think a good central bank is really good for democracy,” Chopra says. “But I think it has to also change with the times so that it is responsive and that it is not seen as a group of priests and priestesses who make determinations about our lives without really understanding how the economy is working on the ground.” Also this week, we bring in Bloomberg News reporter Randall Williams to unpack the story that is currently roiling the world of professional basketball: allegations that Los Angeles Clippers-owner Steve Ballmer improperly funneled payments to one of the team’s stars via a dubious (and now bankrupt) fintech company, Aspiration. Ballmer has denied the allegations, which first surfaced in an episode of the podcast Pablo Torre Finds Out. Aspiration’s co-founder has denied being party to any scheme to evade the salary cap. Williams explains why the story has garnered so much interest among NBA owners and how it illustrates the importance of salary caps in order to maintain competitive balance.  Finally, we unpack a strange case of fake branding, involving the logo of Elon Musk’s aerospace company.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Not that long ago the US economy was wrestling with an interesting problem: jobs data looked very strong with historically low unemployment and historically low firings, but people didn’t feel good about the economy. The dissonance became known as the “vibecession” and was the topic of many economic and policy debates. The question was: Why do people feel bad about the economy when the economy is actually doing great? With help of revised data, we now know that the vibes were right. This week, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics—part of the Trump administration’s Department of Labor—released its latest data, which included a massive revision. The US economy created roughly 900,000 fewer jobs between March 2024 and March 2025 than previously thought, the BLS says. That means only about half the jobs we thought had been created actually materialized, according to the agency. How did this happen and what does this mean? This week, economist Kathryn Anne Edwards, host of the Optimist Economy podcast, joins us to talk about how a giant revision like this can happen, as well as how it reflects on the market and the economy. Also this week, Max Chafkin talks about his book The Contrarian, which looks at the world of Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel. We discuss his influence and what it reveals about the intersection of technology, money and ideology. Also why he is suddenly so interested in the “antichrist.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we are joined by journalist and cultural commentator Sam Sanders, of the Sam Sanders Show, to unpack the lessons Hollywood is learning from its latest unexpected success: mega-viral sensation Kpop Demon Hunter. We discuss how Sony lost out on much of the movie's profits when it signed over the rights to Netflix–though arguably helped preserve its business during the Covid downturn by doing so–and how the success of KPop Demon Hunters at least partly vindicates Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos’ controversial claim that the experience of going to a movie theater is “outdated.” Sanders mostly agrees, suggesting that the theatrical experience will essentially go the way of opera–once a wildly popular medium that eventually settled into a narrow and extremely rarified niche. The songs are good too. We’re also joined by Odd Lots co-host Joe Weisenthal to fact check President Trump’s claim that the “stock market needs tariffs and ask college students about their AI habits as they head back to school. And, finally, we explain why, love them or hate them, tariffs are making your Pumpkin Spice Latte (not to mention any pumpkin spice cat litter you happen to buy this fall) more expensive.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.