We’re going deep into the archives to pull out a special conversation for this week’s bonus episode with our most beloved friend, Grammy Award-winning singer/songwriter, Amy Grant. The last time Jen and Amy sat down together, it was on the heels of an exhausting,arduous time in our county. Back then, Amy delivered some profound words of wisdom in the peaceful, soothing way that only she can. And we felt her words would be a welcome balm to soothe our weary souls today so we’ve brought it back for you to enjoy as a bonus episode!In addition to some very timely words of wisdom from Amy, this episode covers: Navigating life's difficulties while maintaining a positive outlook — Amy shares a touching story about the final lesson she’s learned from her parents Amy discusses her journey of healing from unexpected open heart surgery and she and Jen talk about learning to respect their bodies and live more in balance The importance of community and support systems, especially when enduring hard circumstances The complexities of cancel culture which has come for Amy on more than one occasion in her career and personal life The evolution of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) and the “The Queen of Christian Pop’s” impact on music that transcends genres and generations ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“Everybody brings different things to the table. Rapid-fire conversation or investigative or deep conversations might not be their comfort zone but there are other things that are. – Amy Grant“I have my hands on my own wheel. I can’t steer anybody else’s opinions. I can’t steer anybody else’s choices. But I’ve got to own mine.” – Amy Grant“When I was younger, I thought if I don’t say yes to everything, it’ll all stop. It’ll all dry up. It won’t keep coming. It’s my yeses that keep the energy moving forward. But I found out that’s not true at all. That was a fake story. It was just the scarcity mindset.” – Jen Hatmaker“Ask different questions. The next step, the next opportunity, the next enlightenment, the next everything for all of us is within reach. It always has been.” – Amy GrantResources Mentioned in This Episode:Jen at the Amy Grant concert in Austin 2023 - https://www.instagram.com/p/CxvoBcbujuB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this special episode, Jen and Amy get a visit from a Hollywood darling we’ve loved in countless films and shows like The Descendants, Archer, 27 Dresses, Arrested Development and 13 Going on 30 to talk about her newest project based on the beloved children’s book, The Best Christmas Pageant Ever! Actress Judy Greer talks about what it’s like to collaborate on such a treasured holiday story that she somehow missed out on as a kid but was lucky enough to discover when she was cast for the role. She sets the scene for what it was like to film the movie last fall in wintry Winnipeg with a cast full of kids on set and also takes a moment to share some highlights from earlier in her career.Also in this episode:  Amy and Jen talk about their mixed feelings toward pageants and public performances. As you might guess, one of them loves them, one hates them. In our GenXcellence segment, Jen and Amy recount their first movie-without-parents experiences. And we Rant or Rave about decorating the house at Christmastime. ***Thought-provoking Quotes: “I directed so many programs with my sisters and my girl cousins, and my parents were very, very mediocre audience members. If you’re going to have four kids, guess what you get to do? You’re going to sit on the brown corduroy couch and watch our shitty programs. That’s part of the deal. We practiced for six hours. I had choreography. At one point, I gave Lindsay an umbrella that she had to open at just the right lyric in the song and the bitch could not do it and it was so upsetting.” – Jen Hatmaker “I think what’s so beautiful about this story is that it’s about unity, and compassion, and empathy. And it’s about being welcoming.” – Judy GreerResources Mentioned in This Episode:48 Hours movie (1982) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083511/Film Rating Guide - https://www.motionpictures.org/film-ratings/Top Gun movie (1986) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092099/The Shining movie (1980) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/Alamo Drafthouse Cinema - https://drafthouse.com/austin37th Street Austin Light Display - https://www.instagram.com/37thstreetlights/Arrested Development - https://www.netflix.com/title/7014035813 Going on 30 movie (2004) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/The Descendants movie (2011) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1033575/I Don’t Know What You Know Me From: Confessions of a Co-Star by Judy Greer - https://amzn.to/4hiDC0yThe Best Christmas Pageant Ever: A Christmas Holiday Book for Kids by Barbara Robinson - https://amzn.to/3YzrNfhThe Best Christmas Pageant Ever movie (2024) - https://bestchristmaspageantever.movie/Archer - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486217/Citizen Ruth movie (1996) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115906/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1Dallas Jenkins - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0420817/?ref_=tt_ov_dr_1Pete Holmes - https://peteholmes.com/Guest’s Links:Judy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/missjudygreerJudy’s Twitter - https://x.com/missjudygreerJudy’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJudyGreer/Movie Links:The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bestchristmaspageantevermovie/The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BestChristmasPageantEverMovieThe Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Twitter - https://x.com/BCPEMovieConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Let’s be honest: there are seasons in life when things feel heavy and hard and the thought of breaking through the noise and negativity seems impossible. But with a little retooling of perspective, you can shift the conversation to one that is more productive and more hope-filled. In this episode, Timothy Shriver discusses his lifelong commitment to promoting dignity and unity through his work with the Special Olympics and the Dignity Index. He shares practical steps (and real-life examples gleaned from guests of his brand new Need A Lift? podcast) to demonstrate how you can turn a difficult conversation into an opportunity to form a connection.And if that’s not enough, Jen and Amy dig into some of their biggest fears – the ones they want to Bless and Release. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“I was being invited into a world in which the pursuit of making the world better, more just, more hopeful was a joyful pursuit. It wasn’t a burden. It wasn’t a responsibility of commitment you had to keep.” – Tim Shriver"We need people willing to take a chance – on each other, on trying again, on their communities." – Tim Shriver“Without losing my passion, without losing my commitment to the issues, I can still treat people with dignity.” – Tim Shriver"Contempt for each other is the problem and treating each other with dignity is the solution." – Tim Shriver“We can’t get legislation in most states or at the Federal level that embodies either of those majority opinions [border security and gun control] because the contempt on the extremes is so dominating the conversation that our political leaders find it in their best interest not to solve the problem or too scary to try.” – Tim ShriverResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Special Olympics - https://www.specialolympics.org/Fully Alive: Discovering What Matters Most by Tim Shriver - https://amzn.to/3NXAie9The Dignity Index - https://www.dignity.us/Tim’s Need A Lift Podcast - https://www.timothyshriver.com/projects/need-a-liftHow Michael and Nicole Phelps Unlearned the Fear of Losing - https://apple.co/3NGKiYIA Special Olympics Gold Medalist on Authenticity and Play: Loretta Claiborne - https://apple.co/4hhBbLFSimon Sinek Believes that Idealism Belongs In the Workplace - https://apple.co/4dXmjj0Taking Off Our Masks through Confession with Fr. Mike Schmitz - https://apple.co/48gAlLlGuest’s Links:Tim’s website - https://www.timothyshriver.com/Tim’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/timothyshriverTim’s Twitter - https://x.com/TimShriverTim’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/timshriver/Tim’s Need A Lift Podcast - https://www.timothyshriver.com/projects/need-a-liftConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jen and Amy are beyond thrilled to welcome none other than late-night legend Stephen Colbert and his amazing wife, Evie McGee Colbert, to the show! They’re dishing about their brand-new cookbook, Does This Taste Funny?—a project born right in the middle of pandemic life at home. Stephen and Evie share the hilarious backstory of how this all came together, dive into their kitchen quirks (spoiler: they don’t always see eye-to-eye in the kitchen), and their mutual love for Gullah cuisine from the heart of South Carolina’s Lowcountry. From the joy of cooking together to a classic metal spoon disaster, it’s the perfect blend of laughter, food, and a little bit of chaos.On today’s show:  Jen and Amy discuss their mixed feelings about high school reunions Jen offers some sage guidance to young girls about how not to accessorize in their senior photos Amy shows off in front of the Colberts with her plate of (gluten-free) Patti McGee’s Cheese Biscuits from their cookbook The group tries to unpack what made our children’s generation so sensitive about food expiration dates  Stephen shares the story about how he got radicalized by fancy butter  ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“Anytime somebody brings me my own cookbook – which is only a few years old at this point – and it’s dirty, filthy, greasy, I am thrilled. It’s the best compliment.” – Jen Hatmaker“My mom grew up in the heyday of processed foods. She didn’t have a lot of recipes that didn’t come from the back of a bottle of chili sauce or a packet of dried soup mix. So that’s where I started my culinary journey.” – Stephen Colbert“Those people who have cooking shows are amazing. Shout out to anyone who has to cook and talk in front of a camera.” – Evie ColbertResources Mentioned in This Episode:Flavors: The Junior League of San Antonio (1978) - https://www.abebooks.com/9780961041601/Flavors-Junior-League-San-Antonio-0961041609/plpThe Pioneer Woman Cooks: Recipes from an Accidental Country Girl by Ree Drummond (2009) - https://amzn.to/3Ue0eWdThe Colbert Report - https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-colbert-report/umc.cmc.3k1kkmfgd34hfnk8mc6p1uj01"I Hope This Grief Stays With Me" - Andrew Garfield Fights Back Tears And Celebrates His Mom - YouTube - https://youtu.be/_u_TswLQ4ws?si=Ah2cbnW3-5AiyAlFThe Daily Show - https://www.cc.com/fan-hub/the-daily-showThe Late Show with Stephen Colbert - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/After Midnight - https://www.cbs.com/shows/after-midnight/Montclair Film - https://montclairfilm.org/Does This Taste Funny?: Recipes Our Family Loves - https://amzn.to/3YoJeixFeed These People: Slam-Dunk Recipes for Your Crew by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/3BNozvMCandied Hot Peppers from Tiny Pizza Kitchen in Brooklyn - https://www.tinypizzakitchen.com/buy-chiliesGuest’s Links:Stephen’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stephenathome/Stephen’s Twitter - https://x.com/StephenAtHomeThe Late Show with Stephen Colbert Website - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/colbertlateshow/The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Twitter - https://x.com/ColbertLateShowThe Late Show with Stephen Colbert Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/colbertlateshow/The Late Show with Stephen Colbert YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/ColbertLateShowConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Friends, today’s episode is a powerhouse! We’ve got Sharon McMahon, aka “America’s Government Teacher,” bringing some serious wisdom from her new book, "The Small and the Mighty." Even the drafters of the Constitution worried about chaos, but they hoped for better things—and Sharon’s here to show us how twelve lesser-known heroes in American history made a huge impact on democracy. She’s drawing parallels to how we can still shape our future today, no matter how small we feel. Get ready to be inspired, y’all! Let’s dive in!In this hope-filled chat: Jen and Amy muse around which historical figures they would most like to meet and we get a glimpse of their preferred election night routines Sharon highlights the arc of her career from an award-winning yarn influencer known as the Yarnista, to a photographer, to “America’s Government Teacher” We discuss the need for reliable sources of factual information in a world filled to the brim with fake news and disinformation Sharon explains why we shouldn’t sit out during state and local elections We talk about a variety of ways to engage in democracy beyond just voting And Sharon fields questions from members of our audience. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“We’re all tired, we’re exhausted from the endless partisanship and the fake news and the disinformation and vitriol.” – Jen Hatmaker“I started noticing that there were a lot of people that were just really confidently wrong on the internet, saying things like ‘the electoral college is a university you can graduate from’.”– Sharon McMahon“There’s a big list of people, especially women, who never, ever get the credit when it comes to the civil rights movement – it’s the attorneys, it's the Thurgood Marshalls, it’s the Freddie Grays,  it’s the Martin Luther Kings.,and, of course, what they did is incredibly important but… there are a lot of women with whom this hot air balloon does not get off the ground. There is no leaving the ground without the significant contributions of women.” – Sharon McMahon“We have to stop viewing this as a zero sum game in which our enemies must be defeated or destroyed. That’s an onramp to dictatorship.” – Sharon McMahon“There are many ways to be involved in democracy. It’s not just voting and running for office. There’s not one prescription for how to be involved. Do things you are good at and contribute in your own way. We can’t all be parade goers.” – Sharon McMahon“We tend to put all of our eggs in this basket of who will win the presidential election but who gets elected in your state matters so much. The things that really affect your daily life are defined at the state and local level.” – Sharon McMahonResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Henry Fite House of Baltimore - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fite_HouseThe Angry Trout Cafe, Grand Mariais, MN - https://www.angrytroutcafe.com/The Small and the Mighty: Twelve Unsung Americans Who Changed the Course of History, from the Founding to the Civil Rights Movement by Sharon McMahon - https://amzn.to/3NsoqjIGuest’s Links:Sharon’s website - https://sharonmcmahon.com/Sharon’s Newsletter, The Preamble - https://thepreamble.com/Sharon’s Governerds Book Club - https://sharonmcmahon.com/products/governerds-insiderSharon’s Here’s Where It Gets Interesting Podcast - https://sharonmcmahon.com/podcastSharon’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sharonsayssoSharon’s Twitter - https://x.com/sharon_says_soSharon’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/sharonsaysso/Sharon’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@sharonsayssoConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this engaging conversation, actress, activist, and all-around beautiful human, Yvette Nicole Brown, gives us a lesson on the fundamental importance of joy, the blessings of caregiving, and the significance of community support. Through an exploration of Yvettes’ career, first in the music business, and now in the entertainment industry, she and Jen and Amy discuss the many challenges that face black women today while also talking about one of black women’s greatest superpowers – the sisterhood that exists among them. They lean into how white women can learn to harness that power in their relationships, too, and the things that can be done to support their sisters of color right now. Yvette also reflects on her personal life as a devoted caregiver, and dishes for a moment about the beauty of finding love in your late 50s.***Thought-provoking Quotes:“I don’t know as a kid that I ever thought that I would be a star. I always felt that I would be impactful in people's lives in some way because of the way that I love people.” – Yvette Nicole Brown“I am still pinching myself. I’m Forrest Gump in the flesh – in real life – because I just say yes to things that feel right and God just takes me to the next opportunity to do the same.” – Yvette Nicole Brown“That’s why black women are always so close with each other because whenever you see a ‘sista’, you know her story, without knowing her story. That’s why we call each other ‘sista’, because we know what she’s been through. Same thing with black men. ‘Brotha’. ‘Sista’. We know what the other person has been through and we stand with each other and support each other. But here’s the thing, we stand with and support everybody else too. And that’s why we say ‘vote like black women, think like black women’. That’s not hubris. That’s not arrogance. That’s heart. That’s soul.” – Yvette Nicole Brown“When it comes to anything that comes up in the news, culture, current events, whatever’s going on, if I feel even a modicum of uncertainty about how to feel about it, I just look to the black women. It’s the correct reading of the room. The response is always for the greater good. It’s what’s good for culture, for people, our neighbors, progress, equality.” – Jen Hatmaker“Instead of me showing you my pain, I’m going to use my joy as my strength and I’m going to dance and laugh through this thing.” – Yvette Nicole BrownResources Mentioned in This Episode:I Take My Coffee Black: Reflections on Tupac, Musical Theater, Faith, and Being Black in America by Tyler Merritt - https://amzn.to/3U6nMfNYvette’s acting and producing credits - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1304328/Kamala Harris for President - https://kamalaharris.com/How Black Women Organizers Broke Zoom to Raise $1.5 Million - Fortune.com K-Pops by Anderson .Paak at Toronto International Film Festival - https://tiff.net/events/k-popsFrasier - https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/frasier-2023/Among Us - https://www.innersloth.com/voice-cast-for-the-among-us-animated-series-round-1/Donors Choose - https://www.donorschoose.org/The Creative Coalition Commission on Caregiving - https://thecreativecoalition.org/caregiving/Emily’s ListGuest’s Links:Yvette’s website - http://www.actressyvettenicolebrown.com/Yvette’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/yvettenicolebrownYvette’s Twitter - https://x.com/ynbYvette’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/YvetteNBrown/Yvette’s Squeezed Docupodcast - https://lemonadamedia.com/show/squeezed/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Jen and Amy sit down with the charismatic and engaging Stanley Tucci, to discuss his new book, 'What I Ate in One Year', that explores the deep connections we can find amongst the food we eat, the memories we make, and the emotions we feel and how our cultural practices around food can provide fuel for us, not just in times of celebration, but can also provide us comfort in times of grief. Stanley reflects on how food plays a role in both joyous and difficult moments, emphasizing the importance of sharing meals with loved ones, hoping that readers will find comfort and connection through his work, especially in a time when we are all experiencing more loneliness and disconnection.***Thought-provoking Quotes:"You're such a Renaissance man." – Jen Hatmaker"I like it so much more when we all eat together." – Stanley Tucci"Food is just a part of life, which means it's a part of death too." – Stanley Tucci“When somebody brings me bread, that’s my person. Let’s get married.” – Jen Hatmaker“Even if you’re in a really shitty place, even if the food is terrible, but you’re eating with people that you love, it’ll be a memorable meal.” – Stanley Tucci“I don’t want to eat a well done burger. I’d rather eat an extra side of fries.” – Jen Hatmaker“Eating outdoors makes things taste better. Why is that? I don’t know but the place is crucial…in a weird way. It can change the taste of things.” – Stanley Tucci“We think that in the moment we’re going to remember something forever but we don't. It just slips away. Even just writing your story down for you has meaning.” – Jen HatmakerResources Mentioned in This Episode:Stanley Tucci’s new book 'What I Ate in One Year' - https://amzn.to/484rxb2Big Night (1996) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115678/CNN Show: Searching for Italy - https://www.cnn.com/shows/stanley-tucci-searching-for-italyStanley Tucci makes a Negroni for his wife, Felicity - https://bit.ly/4h2L9QWThe Devil Wears Prada (2006) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458352/Stanley Tucci’s film bio - https://imdb.to/3YgfeW2Stanley Tucci’s theater bio - https://playbill.com/person/stanley-tucci-vault-0000019856Taste: My Life Through Food by Stanley Tucci - https://amzn.to/4f08P6YGuest’s Links:Stanley’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/StanleyTucciStanley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stanleytucci/Stanley’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@stanley.tucciConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Named a best podcast of 2023 by Vulture, Time, The Economist, & Vogue. No question too big, no question too small. On Search Engine, host PJ Vogt answers the kinds of questions you might ask the internet when you can't sleep. If you find the world bewildering, but also sometimes enjoy being bewildered by it, we're here for you. Edited by Sruthi Pinnamaneni. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this month’s Jen Hatmaker Book Club episode, we speak with the author of A Woman of Intelligence, Karin Tanabe. In this fascinating interview, we learn that Karin originally set out to write a book about WWII women code breakers, but ended up turning it into an ode to the struggles of women finding themselves during early motherhood and the imminent right they have to a future chosen for themselves. The story follows a woman in the 50’s who sets out on a spy adventure, departing wildly from her mundane life, and making difficult choices that come with choosing yourself over society’s whims.Jen and Karin personally and candidly reflect on the pressures of motherhood, the erasure of self that can come with parenting full time, and the history that brought us to where we are today.Some topic points include:  The fascinating pivot from Tanabe's original book pitch to the creation of "A Woman of Intelligence" Discussion of rarely-taught aspects of U.S. history, including government-funded childcare during WWII Tanabe’s approach to crafting complex characters, including the memorable mother-in-law The careful construction of the novel's open-ended finale Join Jen and Karin for an engaging conversation that will leave you eager to dive into "A Woman of Intelligence" and reflect on how far we've come – and how far we still have to go.* * *Resources & Books Mentioned in This Episode:A Woman of Intelligence by Karin Tanabe - https://bit.ly/47GdbxIThe Sunset Crowd by Karin Tanabe - https://www.karintanabe.com/copy-of-the-listA Hundred Suns - https://www.karintanabe.com/a-hundred-sunsKarin’s Booklist - https://www.karintanabe.com/books-w3touElizabeth Bentley - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_BentleyThe Lanham Act of 1940 (Government-Subsidized Health Care) - https://bit.ly/3XS2UenThe Red Scare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_ScareThe Cliffs by J. Courtney Sullivan - https://bit.ly/4evbYLGPrivate Equity: A Memoir by Carrie Sun - https://bit.ly/3Bbgy3wEyeliner by Zahra Hankir - https://bit.ly/4gDgdqCGuest’s Links:Karin’s Website: https://www.karintanabe.com/Karin’s Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/karintanabeKarin’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karintanabeKarin’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/authorkarintanabeConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Jen and Amy dive deep into the mind of bestselling author and one of the most influential thinkers of the 2000’s, Malcolm Gladwell. Exploring the intriguing concepts behind his latest book, The Revenge of the Tipping Point, the conversation ebbs and flows through Malcolm's ability to turn dense data into compelling narratives, weaving stories that captivate readers in unexpected ways. Jen and Amy key into Malcolm's knack for viewing problems from unique angles, a skill that sets him apart in academic and popular discourse. Throughout the chat, Malcolm reveals how his perspectives have evolved over the last 25 years and how the nuances of today's world demand a fresh interpretation of the ideas that he first introduced. Their discussion underscores the blend of rigorous analysis and storytelling magic that defines Malcolm's work and leaves a lasting impact on listeners eager to engage with the pressing questions of our time.Malcolm gives us insight into all manner of cultural phenomena, including:  A definition of “overstories” and how they can refine and deepen our understanding of the spread of customs, mores, and practices The advent of “superspreaders:” those very few people who have a large amount of influence, a situation which has shifted with the onset of social media Snippets of fascinating social observations, illustrated in stories from his book including a look at the opioid epidemic, the growing mental health issues of students, and the power of television shows like “Will & Grace,” toward creating massive cultural shifts  * * *Thought-Provoking Quotes:“The overstory that is over our heads right now that we're not thinking about is one that says the most important way to understand ourselves and our differences from others is to look through the lens of politics. I think political ideology has somehow kind of become central in a way that it wasn't 25 years ago. That's a kind of weird thing going on right now that we're sort of not paying attention to. I'm hopeful that will shift. I would much rather people find themselves using other categories. Because there are other categories that are far more meaningful.” - Malcolm Gladwell"If you look at platforms like Twitter or TikTok, you'll see that a very small number of people have a massive amount of reach. As we examine how we're influenced, it's clear that the sources and individuals projecting influence in the world are getting smaller and smaller — which is weird, because we initially thought the opposite was happening." - Malcolm GladwellResources Mentioned in This Episode:What’s Going On by Marvin Gaye - https://bit.ly/3TLRne5Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2 - https://bit.ly/4gQTdECLosing My Religion by R.E.M - https://open.spotify.com/track/31AOj9sFz2gM0O3hMARRBxMalcolm’s Book List - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/landing-page/malcolm-gladwell-books/Revenge of the Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell - https://bit.ly/3XYc7BNAnna Muller - https://umdearborn.edu/people-um-dearborn/anna-mullerSeth Robertson - https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/people/seth-robertsonWill and Grace - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_%26_GraceGuest’s Links:Malcolm’s Website - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/Malcolm’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/gladwellMalcolm’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/malcolmgladwellbooks/Malcolm’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/malcolmgladwell/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices