The Edge Podcast

Samyak Jain is the CoFounder of Instadapp. In this episode of The Edge Podcast, we interview one of the earliest and most respected builders in DeFi. Sam and his brother Sowmay Jain have an epic story to tell going back to 2019, when they won an ETHGlobal hackathon building what is now known as Instadapp. Instadapp is a rich platform for both users and developers to leverage the full potential of DeFi. With Instadapp, you have access to the most powerful flashloan recipes allowing users to create leveraged positions and move them across the most popular DeFi protocols, in just a few clicks. Since 2018, Instadapp has been trusted with as much as $13B in value deposited at once in its smart contracts. Today, we discuss their latest innovation--Avocado, a smart contract wallet enabling what's known as network abstraction, gas abstraction, and account abstraction. Buckle up because this podcast is packed with new information that you won't find elsewhere, about the future of Instadapp and DeFi! ------ 📺 To watch this episode of The Edge Podcast on Youtube with Sam's demo of Avocado, go to: https://www.youtube.com/@defidad THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 🏗️ MANTLE | HIGH-PERFORMANCE ETHEREUM L2 WITH MODULAR DESIGN, LOW FEES, AND HIGH SECURITY ⚖️ KYBERSWAP | DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE AGGREGATOR AND AMM 📈 GTRADE | DECENTRALIZED LEVERAGE TRADING ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🚀 LIQUITY | UNSTOPPABLE ETH-BACKED STABLECOINS AND LEVERAGE 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor The Edge Podcast? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 06:54 - Background on Sam 10:24 - Why share the spoils of DeFi 12:49 - Starting with Instadapp 14:44 - What is Avocado 16:24 - Fees on Instadapp 17:49 - Benefits of Avocado 27:14 - Impact of Avocado innovations 31:29 - Avocado Team (Avocado Multisig) 33:44 - Getting started with Avocado 34:29 - Value accrual to INST holders 38:24 - Demo of Avocado wallet 43:00 - Closing ------ Guest Links Samyak on Twitter https://twitter.com/smykjain Instadapp on Twitter https://twitter.com/Instadapp Learn about Instadapp Avocado https://avocado.instadapp.io/ ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Brooks Brown is the Founder and CEO of NOR. In this episode of The Edge Podcast, we interview a creative with 18 years of experience working on some of the most iconic brands and franchises in the world, including Avatar and Star Wars. After an illustrious career at places like LucasArts and James Cameron's Lightstorm Entertainment working with AAA console and mobile game studios, Brooks has set his sights on reimagining game with a greater sense of "permanence," or as he puts it, where "death and winning matter again..." Despite pushback from legacy gamers on crypto and NFTs, Brooks believes Web3 is the key to unlocking a world of gaming he's always dreamed of--where there's real skin in the game, where anyone is truly free to play and rise up through the ranks. Similar to professional sports, but where everything is on the line. For example, an NFT that represents all your winnings, stats, and reputation lost to your competitor in a final match! We talk about what's broken in gaming today, why monetization isn't the enemy, and how NOR is designing a gaming platform to truly test the grit of its players each season, as they compete on a playing field that more closely mirrors the highest level of competition in professional sports. THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 🏗️ MANTLE | HIGH-PERFORMANCE ETHEREUM L2 WITH MODULAR DESIGN, LOW FEES, AND HIGH SECURITY ⚖️ KYBERSWAP | DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE AGGREGATOR AND AMM 📈 GTRADE | DECENTRALIZED LEVERAGE TRADING ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🚀 LIQUITY | UNSTOPPABLE ETH-BACKED STABLECOINS AND LEVERAGE 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor The Edge Podcast? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 07:38 - Background on Brooks 13:43 - What's broken in gaming 16:33 - Making death matter in games 24:28 - Lessons from professional sports 29:34 - What is the NOR platform 33:46 - The opportunity for meta-gaming 39:53 - Crypto is a game 41:13 - Rearranging parts vs rebuilding gaming 47:43 - The Game vs The City 54:23 - "Permanence" in NOR aka death 57:58 - NOR token design 1:11:33 - Streamers, broadcasting rights, and more 1:20:43 - Bringing back a level playing field to gaming 1:26:43 - Games built on NOR 1:32:48 - What's next for NOR 1:37:13 - Closing ------ Guest Links Brooks Brown on Twitter https://twitter.com/playisfree NOR on Twitter https://twitter.com/welcome_to_nor Learn about NOR https://welcometonor.com/ ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Samantha Yap is the Founder and CEO of YAP Global. In this episode of The Edge Podcast, we speak with one of leading experts on PR (public relations) specific to the the crypto industry. Samantha Yap is a former journalist who started the crypto PR firm YAP Global in 2016. She has worked with clients from teams such as Frax Finance, Gitcoin, ETHDenver, and The Ethereum Foundation. We'll apply her insights and strategies to a variety of major crypto events (ie the Euler hack) to demonstrate how founders and teams can strategically approach PR to build trust and credibility in their brand, including in times of crisis. THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources ⚖️ KYBERSWAP | DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE AGGREGATOR AND AMM 📈 GTRADE | DECENTRALIZED LEVERAGE TRADING ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMUNICATIONS ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 07:00 - Background and what is PR 11:15 - Typical PR services in crypto 14:05 - PR in crypto vs elsewhere 18:00 - Social media comms 22:15 - Marketing vs comms vs PR 25:00 - Analyzing crisis comms for Euler hack 28:00 - Importance of repetition in PR 31:00 - Analyzing Sequoia's response to FTX debacle 33:45 - Why many VCs are bad at PR 39:00 - Common PR mistakes 42:45 - Avoiding drama 48:00 - PR insights for liquid staking teams 52:30 - Analyzing Balaji's $1M BTC bet 1:01:20 - Closing ------ Guest Links Samantha Yap on Twitter https://twitter.com/samanthawyap YAP Global on Twitter https://twitter.com/YAPGlobalTeam Learn about YAP Global https://yapglobal.com ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

DeFi Devin is CoFounder of GammaSwap. In this episode of The Edge Podcast, we do our first Quick Hit! Quick Hits will often be shorter episodes to spotlight up-and-coming DeFi and Web3 teams. DeFi Devin shares the alpha on their oracle-free decentralized perpetual trading platform preparing to launch. With GammaSwap, LPs on AMMs who often are burdened with impermanent loss, can use this new primitive to sell volatility to traders, hedgers, and speculators. If GammaSwap is successful, it's possible passive LPs will be able to simply earn more vs the status quo today in DeFi. THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources ⚖️ KYBERSWAP | DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE AGGREGATOR AND AMM 📈 GTRADE | DECENTRALIZED LEVERAGE TRADING ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMUNICATIONS ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 03:45 - Why Uniswap is an options market 09:36 - How GammaSwap solves for IL 13:00 - The UX for GammaSwap dApp 22:15 - How LPs use GammaSwap Earn 26:00 - Why LPs might use GammaSwap or not 28:20 - Risk in GammaSwap 31:20 - DEXs Partnering 36:30 - Huge Addressable Market 38:30 - Utility of future token 40:25 - Lessons from closed beta 44:00 - Closing ------ Guest Links DeFi Devin on Twitter https://twitter.com/0xDevinG GammaSwap on Twitter https://twitter.com/GammaSwapLabs Learn about GammaSwap https://gammaswap.com ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

John Ennis is the Founder and CEO of NeoSwap. In this episode of The Edge Podcast, we meet with one of the top founders building Web3 applications on top of AI. Having made the leap to building hybrid applications of crypto and AI, John shares why he believes the centralized computation of AI can benefit from the decentralized public database of Web3, as well as how AI can benefit from the permissionlessness of a blockchain. We dig into the power of combining these two technologies to enable new economic possibilities, including personalized, efficient, multi-way trading on NeoSwap. THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources ⚖️ KYBERSWAP | DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE AGGREGATOR AND AMM 📈 GTRADE | DECENTRALIZED LEVERAGE TRADING ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMUNICATIONS ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 06:45 - Background and why build NeoSwap 13:00 - AI-powered multi-way trading 15:10 - NeoSwap Demo and how AI is used 18:45 - ChatGPT-like trading experience 23:30 - Ordinals trading 27:30 - Why Web3 and AI synergy 30:15 - Closing ------ Guest Links John Ennis on Twitter https://twitter.com/john_ennis_btc NeoSwap on Twitter https://twitter.com/neoswap_ai Learn about NeoSwap https://neoswap.ai ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Seb is the anonymous Founder of Gains Network protocol and its decentralized leverage trading platform, gTrade. In this episode of The Edge Podcast, we interview the increasingly popular anonymous DeFi founder behind gTrade, which grew in 2022 despite the market headwinds in the crypto space. Seb isn't one to seek media attention and has done few interviews outside of the Gains Network Discord but he kindly shared his insights and strategy building a top decentralized leveraged trading dApp that might someday outcompete with centralized exchanges. gTrade has been making waves in DeFi with features like 1-click trading and up to 150x leverage on cryptos, 1000x on forex, 50x on stocks, 35x on indices, and 250x on commodities. More importantly, to offer some edge in understanding gTrade's ambitious mission, we dissect every aspect of the gTrade trading platform as well as the GNS tokenomics which underpin gTrade's operation, such as the 20% deflation in the supply of GNS, due to GNS being burnt from gTrade trading activity. THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 📈 KYBERSWAP | DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE AGGREGATOR AND AMM 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMUNICATIONS ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 05:00 - Why Seb built Gains and gTrade 05:52 - How leverage and gDAI works on gTrade 09:12 - GNS Staking and GNS burn/mint 13:30 - Pros and cons of GNS to recapitalize 19:30 - gDAI OTC mechanism 20:45 - Other GNS utility 23:13 - GNS NFTs 27:49 - GNS deflation trend 32:40 - Lessons from gTrade referral links 35:20 - Comparing gTrade to competitors 42:00 - The Arbitrum effect 47:30 - New traders onboarding post-FTX 48:30 - Building a casino with gDAI vault 50:00 - Building a Metaverse (in 2 years) 50:50 - Should we trust anon builders? 52:20 - New features coming to gTrade 54:52 - Closing ------ Guest Links Gains Network on Twitter https://twitter.com/GainsNetwork_io Learn about Gains Network https://gainsnetwork.io/ Learn about gTrade https://gains.trade/Gains Network Dune Dashboardhttps://dune.com/unionepro/Everthing-Gains-Network ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Marco Cora is the Head of Business Development at Matter Labs (zkSync). In this episode, we talk about the imminent launch of zkSync's zkEVM! This Ethereum L2 will significantly increase the throughput of the Ethereum network, reduce transaction costs, and improve overall efficiency. We talk with Marco about why they believe an EVM-compatible zkRollup-based L2 is better technology for scaling Ethereum long term and why we as users should care. Given the launch of optimistic rollup-based L2s like Arbitrum and Optimism, we were eager to discuss the ongoing process of onboarding DeFi and Web3 teams to zkSync Era, how they will bootstrap liquidity, and if zkSync launches a token, how it will work in decentralizing their L2. Given zkSync is solely run and operated by the zkSync team's servers, it is currently centralized, but this is expected to be transitioned to a decentralized system this year or some time in early 2024. Find out how to get ahead for what is anticipated to be the next biggest L2 launch since Arbitrum! THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------ 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------ 🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 📈 GTRADE | DECENTRALIZED LEVERAGE TRADING https://gains.trade/ 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING https://staderlabs.com/ 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMUNICATIONS https://app.push.org/ ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS https://www.utopialabs.com/ ------ Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 03:25 - History of zkSync & Gitcoin Grants 04:00 - Background on Matter Labs and zkSync 07:25 - Defining a zkRollup and zkEVM 15:50 - What will a zkEVM enable for users 23:15 - zkSync suite of products 29:30 - Hyperchains and Hyperscaling 33:50 - How near is Hyperscaling 37:50 - Why CEXs may opt to run on a zkEVM 41:55 - What do we know about a zkSync token 46:00 - Lessons from other L2 launches 50:15 - Projects to launch on zkSync Era 55:50 - What's least understood about L2s 01:00:10 - Advice for crypto newbies 01:01:30 - Scaling Ethereum security and values 01:03:55 - Closing ------ Guest Links Marco Cora on Twitter https://twitter.com/Be1garat zkSync on Twitter https://twitter.com/zksync Learn about zkSync Era https://zksync.io Learn about Matter Labs https://matter-labs.io/ ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. 4RC invested in the Series B round for zkSync. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Sam Kazemian is the Founder of Frax Finance. In this episode, we go deep with one of DeFi's most accomplished builders. Sam launched Frax Finance in 2020, being one of the earliest stablecoins to launch in the new era following DeFi Summer. We talk with Sam about how Frax has managed to thrive in such a competitive sector of DeFi, while leveraging a positive-sum strategy to not only grow Frax stablecoins but also some of their fiercest competitors. We also discuss their newest stablecoin pegged to 1 ETH called frxETH, which as of this recording, is #4 in total staked ETH among LSTs just behind Rocket Pool (even though frxETH isn't intended as an LST)! THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED.   ------  🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------  🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING: https://staderlabs.com/ 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMUNICATIONS: https://app.push.org/  🌿 LENS | DECENTRALIZED SOCIAL GRAPH: https://lens.xyz/  ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS https://www.utopialabs.com/  ------ Topics Covered   00:00 - Intro 02:50 - Sam's background 06:30 - The origin of Frax Finance 10:40 - The Frax suite and The DeFi Trinity 16:25 - Stablecoin Maximalism 23:30 - Frax positive-sum strategy 33:45 - Why Sam and Frax bet on Curve and Convex 44:30 - How FRAX could be backed by Fed deposits 52:30 - Why the Frax Price Index (FPI) exists 53:30 - frxETH and backing it with other LSTs 57:45 - What's next for Frax 01:00:30 - frxETH as a WETH replacement 01:05:20 - Closing ------ Guest Links   Sam Kazemian on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SamKazemian Frax Finance on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FraxFinance Learn about Frax Finance: https://frax.finance/  Frax Facts: https://facts.frax.finance/  Frax Convex Booster: https://frax.convexfinance.com/  ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Sreeram Kannan is the Founder of EigenLayer. He is also an associate professor at University of Washington Seattle, where he runs the UW Blockchain Lab. In this episode, we cover everything you need to know about one of the most talked about projects in crypto. Getting to know EigenLayer in 2023 will be like getting a head start on liquid staking back in 2020. Sreeram walks us through how he came upon the idea that Ethereum could eventually export its trust to other blockchains, apps, and protocols through restaking ETH via EigenLayer. EigenLayer is a marketplace for decentralized trust. Similar to how venture capital decouples the need for entrepreneurs to have both innovative ideas and the capital to execute on their vision, EigenLayer decouples the need for a coincidence of both innovation and trust, so that blockchain builders with expertise to build new Web3 products can simply leverage the trust/security of Ethereum.   THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT TO BUY ANY TOKEN OR NFT RELATED TO ANY PLATFORMS DISCUSSED. ------  🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor episodes of The Edge? Fill this out: https://hl6pu9d99u5.typeform.com/to/E3NY5Mqn ------  🌲 LINKTREE FOR THE EDGE PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod 🔎 DISCOVER DEFI & WEB3 BLOG POSTS, PODCASTS, TUTORIALS: http://defidad.com/ ✅ FOLLOW DEFI DAD ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ✅ FOLLOW NOMATIC ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources   🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING: https://staderlabs.com/ 🔔 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMS INCLUDING NEW PUSH GROUP CHAT: https://app.push.org/ 🌿 LENS | DECENTRALIZED SOCIAL GRAPH: https://lens.xyz/ 🤖 UTILITI.AI | ALL-IN-ONE PLATFORM TO LAUNCH DAPPS AND GAMES: https://www.utiliti.ai/ ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS: https://www.utopialabs.com/  ------  Topics Covered 00:00 - Intro 02:20 - How Sreeram committed to building on Ethereum 06:00 - What's the state of teaching crypto in universities 10:00 - Accelerated social mobility made possible by crypto 14:30 - What is the status quo in a world where EigenLayer doesn't exist 23:00 - What is EigenLayer 26:30 - Why EigenLayer is a marketplace of decentralized trust  34:30 - DeFi Dad and Nomatic dumb down EigenLayer 36:00 - Sreeram's mental models for explaining EigenLayer 43:00 - The future UI/UX and applications built on EigenLayer 48:45 - How EigenLayer will work with liquid staking protocols 54:00 - How will EigenLayer establish trust to restake ETH 58:00 - What happens when an EigenLayer restaker gets slashed 01:04:30 - How would protocol tokens work with EigenLayer 01:10:00 - Will EigenLayer have a token? 01:10:55 - How will EigenLayer accrue value 01:13:00 - What is least understood about EigenLayer 01:18:11 - When will EigenLayer go live 01:19:00 - Closing ------ Guest Links   Sreeram on Twitter https://twitter.com/SreeramKannan EigenLayer on Twitter https://twitter.com/eigenlayer Learn about EigenLayer https://www.eigenlayer.com/ ----- All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research.

Jasper is a prominent member of the Rocket Pool community, as the former Treasurer of the Protocol DAO and currently known as the Community Advocate, serving on the Incentives Management Committee and as a member of the oDAO. In this episode, Jasper walks through why Rocket Pool is poised to take over in 2023. He breaks down Rocket Pool's edge as a decentralized liquid staking protocol for ETH. Our conversation includes everything to know about Rocket Pool including their LST, rETH, the design choice to prioritize home stakers, why Ethereum values are Rocket Pool values, and how Rocket Pool is rapidly scaling the largest network of permissionless node operators. ------ 🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗 ► Subscribe on Youtube: https://youtube.com/@defidad ► Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod ► Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify ► Subscribe on Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod ► Follow DeFi Dad: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ► Follow Nomatic: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ► Learn about DeFi and Web3: http://defidad.com/ ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 🌊 STADER | MULTICHAIN LIQUID STAKING 🌿 LENS | DECENTRALIZED SOCIAL GRAPH 📱 ORB | IOS/ANDROID MOBILE APP FOR LENS SOCIAL MEDIA 🤖 UTILITI.AI | ALL-IN-ONE PLATFORM TO LAUNCH DAPPS AND GAMES 📊 PUSH PROTOCOL | WEB3 COMMS PROTOCOL ⛩️ UTOPIA | PAYROLL AND EXPENSE MANAGEMENT FOR DAOS 🙋‍♀️ Interested to sponsor The Edge Podcast? Fill this out! ------ Timestamps 00:00 - Intro 03:15 - Jasper's background 05:25 - How Jasper found a home at Rocket Pool 08:00 - What is Rocket Pool as a protocol 10:30 - Why does Rocket Pool have over 2000 node operators 12:30 - How rETH works and accrues yield 14:30 - Understanding the risks of LSDs 19:50 - The expected impact of lowering bond requirement to 8 ETH 22:15 - Why RPL is integral to Rocket Pool 25:30 - How more validators = more buy pressure on RPL 28:00 - Growth struggles for Rocket Pool during initial launch 31:20 - Liquidity incentives and future strategies for Rocket Pool 36:00 - Values of Ethereum are values of Rocket Pool 43:15 - Pros and cons of rETH token design 45:15 - Why Rocket Pool voted to self-limit its share of LSD market 48:45 - What happens to RPL if ETH exits rETH and moves to other LSDs 53:25 - How EigenLayer will impact Rocket Pool and other LSDs 57:00 - Catalysts for LSDs in an "exalted new category" 58:30 - Jasper's alpha on Rocket Pool 59:30 - Closing ------ 🔗 Guest Links 🔗 ► Jasper on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jasper_ETH ► Learn about Rocket Pool: https://rocketpool.net/ ► Jasper's paper "Why Paradigm Was Wrong: How rETH Will Flip stETH:" https://mirror.xyz/jasperthefriendlyghost.eth/pnaLyH6W4j58vfypsOKHciF_BM5HFvTkouTd9uThesM ----- 🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. As of this recording, DeFi Dad and Nomatic hold RPL. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.