
The Edge Podcast
Stay ahead of the curve with DeFi Dad and Nomatic! Join two seasoned crypto investors and power-users as they dive into the untold stories shaping the future of crypto—covering everything from Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana, to DeFi, blockchain gaming, and AI. Get insider insights through candid conversations with the trailblazing founders, developers, and investors you won’t hear about elsewhere.
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Latest episodes

Feb 24, 2024 • 33min
Canto: The L1 Built for DeFi and RWAs | Quick Hit
Legendary DeFi builder Scott Lewis shares insights on Canto, a Cosmos EVM L1 for DeFi/RWAs. Topics include Canto's unique features, early adoption of RWAs, staking CANTO, EVM compatibility, and upcoming network upgrades. The episode also touches on Callisto upgrade, Maverick Protocol, and navigating the music industry in the tech era.

Feb 22, 2024 • 45min
Puffer Finance: Ethereum Native Liquid Restaking | Quick Hit
Amir Forouzani is the CEO of Puffer Labs.
In this episode, we cover Ethereum native liquid restaking protocol, Puffer Finance. Less than a month since its pre-Mainnet launch kicked off, Puffer has attracted over $1B in liquid staked ETH deposits. Learn about the vision behind one of the biggest LRT projects to launch this year, including how Puffer’s native LRT works, Puffer's anti-slashing tech, how node operators will run ETH validators with as little as 1 ETH, and what they have planned in their roadmap for 2024.
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💧 INSTADAPP | NEW LENDING AND BORROWING VAULTS WITH FLUID
🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🟢 KELP DAO | THE FIRST LIQUID RESTAKING PLATFORM FOR LSTS
🟣 MAVERICK PROTOCOL | DEFI INFRA MADE TO CUSTOMIZE, AUTOMATE & INCENTIIZE LIQUIDITY
🔵 BLUEBERRY | THE DEFI PRIME BROKERAGE
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
5:19 - Founding Puffer
14:10 - Liquid restaking vs native liquid restaking
19:22 - Puffer's launch campaign
25:42 - Blueberry and Maverick mid-roll
27:21 - stETH depositors earning points
28:56 - pufETH token and withdrawals
30:43 - What happens when pufETH native liquid restaking is live?
32:32 - Future is LRTs
34:56 - Vault controlling stETH deposits
37:16 - AVS yield
40:27 - Closing
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Puffer Website: https://puffer.fi/
► Puffer Quest: https://quest.puffer.fi/
► Puffer on Twitter: https://twitter.com/puffer_finance
► Amir on Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmirOnchain
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad is an advisor to Puffer Finance. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Feb 17, 2024 • 1h 4min
Investing This Crypto Bull Run with Pantera Capital
Guest Paul Veradittakit from Pantera Capital discusses major crypto investment themes like Bitcoin DeFi, decentralized social, modular tech, RWAs, stablecoins, and crypto x AI. Insights on successful investing, founder qualities, Maverick Protocol, and phases of a bull run.

Feb 14, 2024 • 46min
A Beginner’s Guide to Monad’s Parallelized EVM
Keone Hon is the CoFounder of Monad.
In this episode, we cover a beginner's guide to Monad's parallelized EVM-compatible L1. Discover how Keone and his team designed a high-performance L1, with an estimated 10,000 transactions per second, how Monad differentiates from other L1s and Ethereum L2s, and what goes into boostrapping this new Monad community prior to their Mainnet launch.
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The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources
🌊 SWELL NETWORK | NATIVE LIQUID RESTAKING WITH RSWETH
🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🥑 INSTADAPP | THE NEW AVOCADO WALLET AND MULTISIG
🟢 KELP DAO | THE FIRST LIQUID RESTAKING PLATFORM FOR LSTS
🟣 MAVERICK PROTOCOL | DEFI INFRA MADE TO CUSTOMIZE, AUTOMATE & INCENTIIZE LIQUIDITY
🔵 BLUEBERRY | THE DEFI PRIME BROKERAGE
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
4:43 - Background and founding Monad
8:06 - Why we need Monad
11:37 - Monad's parallel execution
15:19 - Benefits of parallel execution for users
16:32 - Pipelining
21:01 - Selling Monad to EVM devs
23:28 - Decentralization vs high-performance
27:40 - Blueberry and Maverick mid-roll
29:22 - MonadBFT consensus
34:54 - Fees on Monad and MONAD token
36:52 - New possibilities to build on Monad
39:58 - Monad community building
43:51 - Closing and ETA for Monad Mainnet
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Monad Website: https://www.monad.xyz/
► Monad on Twitter: https://twitter.com/monad_xyz
► Keone on Twitter: https://twitter.com/keoneHD
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Feb 9, 2024 • 57min
Wormhole: The Interoperability Platform for Web3
Robinson Burkey, CoFounder of Wormhole Foundation, talks about the role Wormhole is playing in the future of interoperable DeFi, solving for liquidity fragmentation, scaling the protocol while remaining secure and decentralized, and its competitors.

Feb 7, 2024 • 34min
Blueberry: Building The DeFi Prime Brokerage | Quick Hit
Slater Heil is a CoFounder and Contributor at Blueberry.
In this Quick Hit, we spotlight the building of a DeFi prime brokerage called Blueberry. Having recently launched on Ethereum, we discuss how Blueberry works, what aggregated strategies we can expect in its DeFi terminal, and how they will offer 20-50x leverage for the most-in demand DeFi strategies, including Pendle Finance LRT markets.
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📺 Watch this prior episode on LRTs: https://youtu.be/X7wtCGovhfc
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The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources
🌊 SWELL NETWORK | NEW RSWETH LIQUID RESTAKING TOKEN
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🥑 INSTADAPP | THE NEW AVOCADO WALLET AND MULTISIG
🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🟣 MAVERICK PROTOCOL | DEFI INFRA MADE TO CUSTOMIZE, AUTOMATE & INCENTIIZE LIQUIDITY
🟢 KELP DAO | THE FIRST LIQUID RESTAKING PLATFORM FOR LSTS
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
4:10 - Slater's background
6:57 - What is Blueberry?
8:35 - Why Chainlink invested
10:08 - Blueberry vs other money markets
14:07 - How Blueberry offers leverage
15:36 - Risk and listing assets
18:22 - Criteria for new assets
22:15 - DeFi strategies
26:57 - Lockdrop
28:51 - BLB token utility
31:31 - Closing
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Blueberry Website: https://www.blueberry.garden/
► Blueberry Lockdrop: https://app.blueberry.garden/lockdrop
► Blueberry on Twitter: https://twitter.com/blueberryFDN
► Slater on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SlaterHeil
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Feb 2, 2024 • 50min
Mode: The Modular DeFi L2 on Optimism Superchain
James Ross is the Founder of Mode.
In this episode, we spotlight a new modular DeFi L2 on Optimism Superchain called Mode. Having just launched Mode Mainnet, we interview James about how this L2 aims to differentiate itself, including details on their ongoing MODE airdrop campaign called Sunrise.
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🌊 SWELL NETWORK | NEW RSWETH LIQUID RESTAKING TOKEN
🥑 INSTADAPP | THE NEW AVOCADO WALLET AND MULTISIG
🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🟣 MAVERICK PROTOCOL | DEFI INFRA MADE TO CUSTOMIZE, AUTOMATE & INCENTIIZE LIQUIDITY
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
4:59 - Background in crypto and founding Mode
11:14 - Elevator pitch for Mode
14:39 - Why build on OP Superchain?
19:13 - Sequencer fee sharing
23:22 - Mode referral revenue
24:54 - Maverick mid-roll
26:06 - Smart Treasury
30:24 - Lessons from other L2s
36:07 - Attracting protocols and net new builders
42:19 - Native yields coming to Mode
44:24 - MODE token utility
48:03 - Closing and MODE airdrop details
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Mode Website: https://www.mode.network/
► Mode Sunrise airdrop blog post: https://mode.mirror.xyz/e37GCFsELjLzSJZzEJ31hX0W3GMoraDDyRd6JioSxOc
► Mode on Twitter: https://twitter.com/modenetwork
► James on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JRossTreacher
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Jan 31, 2024 • 1h 4min
Morpheus: The Open Source Network for AI Smart Agents
David A. Johnston is an open source contributor at Morpheus.
In this episode, we spotlight the open source network for AI smart agents--Morpheus. David believes Morpheus offers the best solution to the legacy issues crypto faces with UI/UX. With Morpheus, the average user someday will be able to type in normal language and have AI take complex actions on behalf of their crypto wallet, based on their approval.
If you've been wondering, where's the overlap between AI and crypto--this is the podcast for you!
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🥩 ETHER.FI | LIQUID STAKING AND RESTAKING ALL-IN-ONE
🌊 SWELL NETWORK | NEW RSWETH LIQUID RESTAKING TOKEN
🥑 INSTADAPP | THE NEW AVOCADO WALLET AND MULTISIG
🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🙋♀️ Interested to sponsor The Edge Podcast? Fill this out!
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
6:00 - Background and alarming regulation for AI
13:40 - How AI regulation parallels the Crypto Wars
17:08 - Why do we need decentralized AI?
22:03 - What's the purpose of centralized AI?
26:39 - What is Morpheus?
30:12 - Roles within Morpheus
35:15 - How Morpheus would work with DeFi staking
40:02 - Decentralized frontends
43:04 - The MOR token and Incentives within Morpheus
50:11 - Erik Voorhees involvement
54:45 - 90 Day Bootstrapping Period
58:01 - Innovations to build on Morpheus
1:00:25 - Closing
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Morpheus Website: https://mor.org/
► A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace: https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence
► Morpheus on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MorpheusAIs
► David on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DJohnstonEC
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Jan 26, 2024 • 34min
Renzo ezETH: Native Liquid Restaking on EigenLayer | Quick Hit
Lucas Kozinski is a Founding Contributor at Renzo Protocol.
In this Quick Hit, we spotlight native liquid restaking on EigenLayer with Renzo Protocol's ezETH. We cover all you need to know about one of the top 2 fastest growing LRTs, including how you can natively restake and maintain your liquidity, how ezETH differentiates from other LRTs, and how Renzo is optimizing for AVS yield once EigenLayer is fully live.
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The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources
🥩 ETHER.FI | LIQUID STAKING AND RESTAKING ALL-IN-ONE
🥑 INSTADAPP | THE NEW AVOCADO WALLET AND MULTISIG
🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🙋♀️ Interested to sponsor The Edge Podcast? Fill this out!
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
6:04 - Background in DeFi
7:14 - What is Renzo?
11:34 - How to mint ezETH and what can you do with it
13:04 - How ezETH differs and designs for AVS yield
20:44 - Predictions for market dynamics when AVSs go live
24:16 - Pendle LRT mania
26:35 - Beyond LRT speculation
28:09 - Future Renzo token
31:47 - Closing
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Renzo Website: https://www.renzoprotocol.com/
► Renzo on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RenzoProtocol
► Lucas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LucasKozinski
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Jan 24, 2024 • 41min
A Guide to Sei V2: Parallelizing The EVM
Jay Jog is the CoFounder of Sei Labs.
In this episode, we walk through a guide on Sei V2 and how it's parallelizing the EVM. With its anticipated launch slated for early 2024, we’ll cover all you need to know, including its backwards compatibility, its optimistic parallelization, SeiDB, and how the interoperability of the chain leads to a more seamless developer experience.
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🧑🌾 MANTLE | THE ETHEREUM L2 FOR TOP NATIVE YIELDS
🥑 INSTADAPP | THE NEW AVOCADO WALLET AND MULTISIG
🦊 METAMASK PORTFOLIO | TRACK AND MANAGE YOUR WEB3 EVERYTHING
🥩 ETHER.FI | LIQUID STAKING AND RESTAKING ALL-IN-ONE
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
4:54 - Jay's background and founding Sei
9:33 - Shortcomings in Ethereum L1 that led to Sei
13:43 - What is a parallelized EVM?
19:05 - Overview of Sei V2
20:04 - Reasons for devs to build on Sei
23:28 - When will Sei V2 be live?
25:04 - Rapid fire on Sei V2
25:39 - Backwards compatibility
26:04 - Optimistic parallelization
26:23 - SeiDB
27:58 - Interoperability
28:46 - Importance of tech vs community
32:36 - Growing dApps on Sei
37:11 - Power of the Seiyan meme
37:55 - Utility of SEI token
39:40 - Closing
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🔗 Guest Links 🔗</p>
► Sei Website: https://www.sei.io/
► Sei Network on Twitter: https://twitter.com/seinetwork
► Sei Labs on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sei_labs
► Jay on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jayendra_jog
► Blog post on Sei V2: https://blog.sei.io/sei-v2-the-first-parallelized-evm/
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🙏 The Edge Podcast is produced by 4RC Labs. If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/
All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.