ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Policy, Guns & Money is produced by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
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Mar 15, 2022 • 42min
SBY's tears; series final
The ASPI special series ‘SBY’s tears: From managing crisis to managing process in Australia-Indonesia relations since the fall of Suharto’ has explored the changing nature of the Australian-Indonesian relationship since the fall of Suharto, as seen through the eyes and experiences of its ambassadors to Jakarta.
In this final episode of the series, Dr David Engel and Hillary Mansour revisit some of the themes explored throughout the series, such as Indonesia’s foreign policy, its relationship with Australia and the changes to Indonesian democracy. They reflect on the past experiences of Australia’s ambassadors, and how these lessons can impact our future relationship with Indonesia.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Dr David Engel: www.aspi.org.au/bio/david-engel
Hillary Mansour: www.aspi.org.au/bio/hillary-mansour
John McCarthy AO: asialink.unimelb.edu.au/about-us/lead…n-mccarthy-ao
Ric Smith AO, PSM: sdsc.bellschool.anu.edu.au/experts-pub…mith-ao-psm
David Ritchie AO: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ritchie_(diplomat)
Bill Farmer AO
Greg Moriarty: www.defence.gov.au/about/leaders/secretary
Gary Quinlan AO: www.apln.network/members/australi…gary-quinlan/bio

Mar 8, 2022 • 27min
International Women's Day 2022
In this episode of ASPI’s Bigger Picture series, ASPI’s Anastasia Kapetas, Daria Impiombato and Katja Theodorakis explore the nexus of climate change and gender, considering the official 2022 International Women’s Day theme, ‘Changing Climates: Equality today for a sustainable tomorrow.’
They discuss the disproportionate gendered impacts of climate change, the agency of women in climate and security narratives, and focus on the intersectional dimensions of the climate movement within different regional contexts.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Anastasia Kapetas, National Security Editor The Strategist: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/anastasia-kapetas
Daria Impiombato, Researcher ASPI’s International Cyber Policy Centre: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/daria-impiombato
Katja Theodorakis, Head of ASPI’s Counterterrorism Program: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/katja-theodorakis

Mar 4, 2022 • 16min
A conversation with Ukraine's Chargé d'Affaires Mr Volodymyr Shalkivskyi
In this episode of ASPI’s Bigger Picture series, Brendan Nicholson speaks to the Embassy of Ukraine’s Chargé d'Affaires, Mr Volodymyr Shalkivskyi, on the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Russia’s invasion has sent shockwaves across Europe and the international community, with countries pledging humanitarian aid and military assistance to the Ukrainian government. They discuss how the conflict is currently unfolding, the different war-fighting capabilities of Russian and Ukrainian forces, and potential avenues for the resolution of the war.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Brendan Nicholson: www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson
Mr Volodymyr Shalkivskyi
Music: "Salt Lake Swerve - Chillout Remix" by Maarten Schellekens, via freemusicarchive.org

Mar 3, 2022 • 37min
Russia invades Ukraine, policing and AI, an Australian DARPA
This week, Russia continues its assault on Ukraine despite widespread international condemnation, including a vote by 141 member states of the UN condemning the invasion. Michael Shoebridge and Dr Marcus Hellyer explore how Russia’s attack has intensified, Ukraine’s long-term war-fighting capability and the potential off-ramps for this conflict.
Dr Teagan Westendorf speaks to Professor Lyria Bennett Moses about the ethics of artificial intelligence in policing. They explore different ethical frameworks, oversight measures, data practices of AI in law enforcement, and consider the notion of ‘undemocratic AI’.
Dr Marcus Hellyer speaks with Graeme Dunk, about the potential for an Australian ‘Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency’, or DARPA. They discussed how a DARPA would support defence innovation and the delivery of capability in Australia.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Dr Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Dr Teagan Westendorf: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/teagan-westendorf
Professor Lyria Bennett Moses: https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/lyria-bennett-moses
Graeme Dunk: https://www.shoalgroup.com/about-us/our-team/

Feb 28, 2022 • 30min
SBY’s tears, featuring Greg Moriarty
In the penultimate episode of ASPI’s special series ‘SBY’s tears: From managing crisis to managing process in Australia-Indonesia relations since the fall of Suharto’, Dr David Engel, Head of ASPI’s Indonesia Program and Hillary Mansour, former ASPI Research Intern, speak to Greg Moriarty, who was ambassador to Indonesia from 2010 until 2014.
Their conversation explores Indonesia’s foreign policy under SBY, the bilateral economic relationship and cooperation in the area of counter-terrorism. They also discuss some of the challenges in the bilateral relationship, such as the banning of live cattle exports to Indonesia and people smuggling.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Dr David Engel: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/david-engel
Greg Moriarty: https://www.defence.gov.au/about/leaders/secretary
Hillary Mansour: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/hillary-mansour

Feb 23, 2022 • 34min
SBY’s tears, featuring Gary Quinlan AO
In this episode of ASPI’s special series ‘SBY’s tears: From managing crisis to managing process in Australia-Indonesia relations since the fall of Suharto’, Dr David Engel, Head of ASPI’s Indonesia Program and Hillary Mansour, former ASPI Research Intern, speak to Gary Quinlan AO, who was Ambassador to Indonesia from 2018 until 2021. Their conversation explores developments in the Australia-Indonesia economic relationship, the development of Indonesia’s democracy and the relationship between religion and politics in the country. They also consider the impacts of climate change and Covid-19 on Indonesia and Australia’s use of soft power.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Dr David Engel: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/david-engel
Gary Quinlan AO: https://www.apln.network/members/australia/gary-quinlan/bio
Hillary Mansour: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/hillary-mansour
Background music: "Moonshiner" by Jacob Field Productions: https://soundcloud.com/jacobfieldpr/moonshiner-royalty-free-music

Feb 18, 2022 • 51min
China’s influence in Australia, global strategic assessment & countering global corruption
This week, ASPI released the report ‘Taking the low road: China's influence in Australian states and territories’ which maps out the changing nature of China’s engagement with Australian states and territories, local governments, city councils, universities, research organisations and non-government organisations. Peter Jennings is joined by report editor Emeritus Professor John Fitzgerald for a conversation on the report’s findings.
So far, 2022 has been full of strategic challenges; Covid-19 impacts are still being felt globally, tensions remain heightened between Russia and Ukraine, and a recent meeting between Presidents Putin and Xi has some analysts calling their relationship a de-facto alliance. Michael Shoebridge speaks to Arthur Snell about the latest developments, how the international world order is being challenged and why this is an important moment for democracies.
In December last year, the White House released the first U.S. Strategy on Countering Corruption. Anastasia Kapetas and Dr Teagan Westendorf discuss the different pillars of the strategy and whether it will be enough to counter corruption globally.
Mentioned in this episode:
+ ASPI Report ‘Taking the low road: China's influence in Australian states and territories’: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/taking-low-road-chinas-influence-australian-states-and-territories
+ ‘Doomsday Watch’ podcast: https://apple.co/3gWSgg0
+ U.S. Strategy on Countering Corruption: https://bit.ly/3JDR4dI
Guests (in order of appearance):
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Professor John Fitzgerald: https://www.swinburne.edu.au/research/our-research/access-our-research/find-a-researcher-or-supervisor/researcher-profile/?id=johnfitzgerald
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Arthur Snell: https://twitter.com/SnellArthur
Anastasia Kapetas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/anastasia-kapetas
Dr Teagan Westendorf: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/teagan-westendorf
Background Music: "Airflow" by Bio Unit, via the FreeMusicArchive: https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Bio_Unit

Feb 8, 2022 • 25min
SBY’s tears, featuring Bill Farmer AO
In episode 4 of ASPI’s special series ‘SBY’s tears: From managing crisis to managing process in Australia-Indonesia relations since the fall of Suharto’, Dr David Engel speaks to Bill Farmer AO, Ambassador to Indonesia from 2005 until 2010. They discuss the pivotal moments in the Australia-Indonesia relationship, SBY’s presidency and the Global Financial Crisis, and Indonesia’s foreign policy. They also talk about the Lombok Treaty, people smuggling and counterterrorism and how Australia should approach its northern neighbour going forward.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Dr David Engel: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/david-engel
Bill Farmer AO

Feb 7, 2022 • 43min
Understanding China, tech diplomacy, climate security in the Middle East
Fergus Ryan speaks to China expert Joanna Chiu about her new book ‘China Unbound: A new world disorder’. They discuss the changing attitudes towards China in Western countries and the importance of developing China expertise.
Critical and emerging technologies are quickly becoming a key focus area of geopolitical competition. Karly Winkler speaks to Bonnie Glick about the newly established Center for Tech Diplomacy at Purdue and the links between technology advances and national interests.
Anastasia Kapetas speaks to Gidon Bromberg about climate and security in the Middle East. They discuss the ‘green blue deal’ concept and climate progress in the region.
Guests (in order of appearance):
Fergus Ryan: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/fergus-ryan
Joanna Chiu: https://www.joannachiu.com/about
Karly Winkler: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/karly-winkler
The Hon. Bonnie Glick: https://techdiplomacy.org/member/the-hon-bonnie-glick/
Anastasia Kapetas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/anastasia-kapetas
Gidon Bromberg: https://twitter.com/gidonb

Feb 1, 2022 • 26min
The Bigger Picture: Russia-Ukraine with Paul Dibb and Kyle Wilson
In this episode of ASPI’s Bigger Picture series, Peter Jennings speaks to Emeritus Professor Paul Dibb and Kyle Wilson from the Australian National University about the Russia-Ukraine crisis. They consider the likelihood of an invasion, Putin’s long-term strategy and whether sanctions can deter Russian military action.
Guests in this episode (in order of appearance):
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Emeritus Professor Paul Dibb: https://researchprofiles.anu.edu.au/en/persons/paul-dibb
Kyle Wilson: https://ces.cass.anu.edu.au/people/mr-kyle-wilson


