

Ride AI
Sophia Tung and James Gross
The Ride AI podcast presents cutting-edge insights and meaningful conversations with the world’s top mobility technology leaders so that you learn hard-won lessons of investment and innovation.
Ride AI is hosted by Ed Niedermeyer an American author and analyst who focuses on the automotive industry and mobility innovation. Co-hosts include Horace Dediu, Oliver Bruce and James Gross.
Ride AI is hosted by Ed Niedermeyer an American author and analyst who focuses on the automotive industry and mobility innovation. Co-hosts include Horace Dediu, Oliver Bruce and James Gross.
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Aug 5, 2022 • 42min
143: The incredible economics of Last Mile Micromobility Delivery with Adam Barmby, founder of EAV
This week Oliver interviews Adam Barmby from EAV, the electric cargo bike manufacturer based in the UK.
When Amazon launched their 'micromobility hub' in the UK recently, an EAV bike was the pictured bike used in promotional material for the announcement.
Micromobility for freight hasn’t been discussed a lot on the podcast, and it was really exciting to unpack the implications of Micromobility and see how it conforms to the thesis that Horace and Oliver have been weighing out of the last couple of years.
It is especially exciting to hear that EAV is fundamentally changing the business model of last mile delivery, where interestingly more than half of the cost of delivery is incurred. Adam was part of the Micromobility Accelerate pitch contest that in the recent Micromobility Europe conference in June.
Specifically they tackle:
The background for EAV and how it came to be founded
What EAV builds, and why it matters impact of cargo vans in cities
Their traction to date including recent business development deals and the sales pipeline to operators working for large ecommerce platforms.
The fundraising journey so far
See more of what Adam is doing within the micromobillity industry here.
You can view the EAV website here
Micromobility America conference coming up on the 15th and 16th of September in the Bay Area. We will have over 1000 guests from hundreds of companies talking about the future of Micromobility and how it can simultaneously help us with climate change while, disrupting the urban transport economics of cities. It’s going to be a wonderful reunion for the industry to all get together with incredible vehicles, including the Nimbus which Oliver covered in episode 141, as well as the new autonomous bike from Weel which we will be covering on a future podcast , as well as a whole heap of other really cool product announcements. Learn more and get tickets here.

Jul 28, 2022 • 26min
142: Lawrence Leuschner - The Tale of TIER
This week is the release one of the episodes from recorded at the recent Micromobility Europe conference in Amsterdam in early June.
This episode is the story of TIER with Lawrence Leucshner, and interviewed by Julia Thayne DeMordaunt from The Rocky Mountain Institute.
TIER is now the worlds largest micromobility operator. Lawrence was a guest on the podcast very early on, back in episode 37, in August 2019. A lot has happened since then, and it really is a fascinating take with Lawrence this episode.
Specifically they tackle:
- How Tier started out with much less money than their competitors
- The importance having a mission
- How the industry has evolved and what is done well and what it hasn’t done well.
You can learn more about Lawrence here and learn more about TIER on their website
If you like this you will probably also really like the Micromobility America conference coming up on the 15th and 16th of September in the Bay Area. It’s going to be a wonderful reunion for many of us in the industry to all get together with incredible vehicles, including the Nimbus which Oliver covered in episode 141, as well as the new autonomous bike from Weel which we will be covering on a future podcast , as well as a whole heap of other really cool product announcements.

Jul 14, 2022 • 41min
141: How tilting unlocks micromobility for the mainstream - the story of Nimbus with CEO Lihang Nong
This week Oliver is excited to share an interview with Lihang Nong, CEO and founder of Nimbus. Nimbus recently went public with their vehicle, the Nimbus One, in a Techcrunch article.
Oliver has been talking to Lihang for years and was excited to be able to interview him and bring a bit more of the story for you. We think what Nimbus is building is really really important - as you’ll hear hear, in an era of climate change, high costs of travel and urbanisation, we need lightweight electric vehicles more than ever, and what Nimbus is proposing solves a lot of the issues that folks have levelled at micromobiility to date.
Specifically they tackle:
- The latest announcements from Nimbus - prototypes, fundraising etc.
- The history of Nimbus
- Why this space is compelling.
- Why small electric vehicles like Nimbus creates haven’t had a breakout hit yet
- The next steps for manufacturing/scaling
Learn more about Nimbus and the exciting developments they have planned on their website (try.nimbus.com)
Disclosure: Oliver is an advisor to Nimbus.

Jul 13, 2022 • 41min
141. How tilting unlocks micromobility for the mainstream - The story of Nimbus with CEO Lihang Nong
This week we share an interview with Lihang Nong, CEO and founder of Nimbus. Nimbus recently went public with their vehicle, the Nimbus One, in a Techcrunch article. Oliver has been talking to Lihang for years and was excited to be able to interview him and bring a bit more of the story for you.

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Jun 29, 2022 • 1h 23min
140: What is Micromobility and why does it matter? (2022 edition) with Horace Dediu
This week Horace and Oliver were together in person for the first time in nearly two and a half years as they got ready for the Micromobility Europe conference. One of the things that they love to do every so often is to revisit the Micromobilty thesis.
They want this to be the episode you share with everyone who is perhaps interested in what all the fuss is about. If you’re a first time listener, Horace Dediu is the creator of the term Micromobility, and this podcast was where he and Oliver first started talking about it.
They’ve now done over 140 episodes, covering all manner of lightweight electric vehicles including interviewing CEOS/founders in this space from companies like Vanmoof, Cowboy, Onewheel, Unagi, Segway, Arcimoto and more, while also talking to shared operators such as Tier, Lime, Bird, Dott, Revel and Beam.
They try to focus on the intersection between the new vehicle tech, cities and consumers, using the disruptive innovation framework developed by Clay Christensen to ask what jobs are being solved, why these small and low cost vehicles are interesting, and what the implications will be on wider society.
Specifically they tackle:
- Where the insight for micromobility came from
- The core tenets of what it is - electric, lightweight, utility
- Why it matters including how the world is urbanising, how we need to radically reduce emissions per vehicle, how most trips are short trips and how small vehicles evolve faster than small vehicles etc.
- Why it is significant to transport systems in terms of enabling point to point transport in dense urban areas
- What we got wrong in the last four years

Jun 7, 2022 • 36min
139: Designing iconic ebikes - Job Stehmann, Chief Product Officer at Vanmoof
This week Oliver speaks with Job Stehmann from Vanmoof. Job is the chief of product design and technology at Vanmoof and responsible for bringing you the beautiful bikes that they produce.
Specifically they tackle:
- Vanmoof’s new bikes, the A5 and the S5 and the innovations that they have on them.
- The wider context of Micromobility and design, and what works.
- Job's journey with Vanmoof from where it was when he arrived (around the start of ebikes) to now, and how that journey has been for him
- Vanmoofs pivot to proper integration of a phone/app and how Job sees that integrating with the overall experience.
- What Job is excited about in micromobility design overall.
Learn more about Job and Vanmoof by heading to their website.
Our sponsor for this episode is Joyride.
Joyride’s SaaS platform powers every point of the micromobility journey, from vehicle selection to turnkey software to extensive resources. As one of the world’s first micromobility platforms, Joyride’s shared mobility customers span more than 200 global markets and thousands of multimodal vehicles. These micromobility operators - no matter their size - are on a fast-tracked road to profitability with Joyride’s low-cost operating platform, exclusive hardware deals and industry hand-holding through obstacles like insurance, RFP writing and data compliance.

May 29, 2022 • 37min
138: RAMPing heavy micromobility with Mark Frohnmayer of Arcimoto
This week Oliver interviews Mark Frohnmayer, CEO of Arcimoto. Mark has been on the podcast before on episodes 111 and 46, and this time they discuss the latest progress with the vehicles they’re building, like the FUV and where they’ve got to with future vehicles like the Mean Lean Machine. They get into the revisions to the platform they’ve made for manufacturing with one of Oliver’s industry favourites, Sandy Munro, as well as the various variants that they’ve developing.
Specifically, they tackle:
- The latest on Arcimoto production and the development of the FUV platform.
- The journey through Arcimoto’s project with Sandy Munro.
- Mark’s vision for the Mean Lean Machine and how they manufacture the vehicles locally.
– Funding, and how the Arcimoto stock 30x’ed and then corrected heavily in line with a lot of other EV manufacturers, how they can bring this technology to the market without going bankrupt.
Learn more about Mark and Arcimoto by visiting their website right here.
Our sponsor for this episode is Joyride.
Joyride’s SaaS platform powers every point of the micromobility journey, from vehicle selection to turnkey software to extensive resources. As one of the world’s first micromobility platforms, Joyride’s shared mobility customers span more than 200 global markets and thousands of multimodal vehicles. These micromobility operators - no matter their size - are on a fast-tracked road to profitability with Joyride’s low-cost operating platform, exclusive hardware deals and industry hand-holding through obstacles like insurance, RFP writing and data compliance.
And now, the Joyride team is taking their micromobility know-how on the road to host the first-ever Joyride Academy Experience. This one-of-a-kind, hands-on workshop made entirely for micromobility operators is being held on June 1 as part of Micromobility Europe. They’ll be covering Financing, Advanced Operational Efficiencies, Data-Driven Insurance and hosting a fireside chat with some of the industry’s biggest players. If you’re managing - or thinking of managing - a micromobility fleet, this is the place to be on June 1.
The best part? The Joyride Academy Experience is completely free to Micromobility Europe ticket-holders, so register today and head over to our blog to see how to sign up for the workshop before spaces fill up.

May 18, 2022 • 49min
137: The interplay between technology, politics and the social contract with Laura Fox, GM of Citi Bike
This week Oliver interviews Laura Fox, General Manager of the Citi Bike bike sharing service in New York, and Senior Director of Lyft Bikes. This podcast was also released on our sister podcast project, Infinite Block.
Laura has a very deep background and thinking about the future of cities, not only in an operational sense - running a Micromobility firm, before that working for Sidewalk Labs for Google and working with former world bank urban economist, with whom she edited one of Oliver's favourite books on urban economics “Order Without Design.”
In this episode, Laura talks with Oliver about the implications of Micromobility on the city and also new forces calling upon her background at Sidewalk Labs, and consulting on the interplay of regulations and housing supply in Mexico City with Alain Bertaud.
In this weeks episode, they talk specifically about:
- How Citi Bike is a novel means of accessing high performance city vehicles, but it's highly dependent on government interventions for things like street space, allocation and funding. What would happen if NYC voted in a new council that took Citi Bike very seriously as a transport option?
- Laura reflects on her time at Sidewalk Labs: What went well, and whether their new focus on software enabled tools is a step down.
- A city often builds up complex regulations over time, and that deregulation, especially around things like zoning and building codes (for example in Mexico) can unlock cities to be more responsive to their citizens. Oliver and Laura discuss how this can be achieved.
- Where are there cities who are not as fast at responding to tech advances, and how the process can be accelerated.
- How we can trust in governance in an age of quicker change, and what countries are doing this well.
- Whether there have been any alternative methods for infrastructure funding that have been successful.
Check out Citi Bike and their developments within New York right here
Our sponsor for this episode is Joyride.

May 9, 2022 • 35min
136: Building Cities for people, not cars - the story of Culdesac with founder Ryan Johnson
This week Oliver interviews with Ryan Johnson, CEO and founder of Culdesac. This was first released over on the Infinite Block, our sister podcast looking at the intersection of urbanism, technology and the social contract (more on that below).
Ryan is building the first Micromobility-focused real estate development in the US, with the goal of eventually building the US’s first car free city.
The majority of people want to live in walkable/bikeable neighborhoods, yet only 8% do. Culdesac are developing a system for building real estate that will bring that to the masses, and with it, put micromobility at the centre of how we can get around in these new developments.
Oliver and Ryan discuss the implications it will have on things like zoning, parking, housing and cities. It’s clear that what Ryan is doing is super important and something that is hopefully becomes the example others point to for a new micromobility-centred real estate model going forward.
Specifically they talk about:
- What Culdesac is trying to build, and why that matters.
- How Culdesac came together in Ryan’s mind.
- Why they chose Tempe in the first place and what they did as a city that enabled being there
- The roles and responsibilities of Culdesac as a developer/landlord in terms of the contract that it has with its citizens.
- The role of capital formation in unlocking this type of urban form innovation.
- Is it really just as simple that they’re packaging all the things that have been done in Europe and working out how to bring them to the US?
- How we can increase a city's capacity and flexibility without getting tied up in council and regulatory purgatory.
- How Culdesac convinced venture capital to invest, and what they saw that other urbanists didn’t.
- Whether getting MPR amendments is a sustainable advantage in creating differentiated built form
- How Ryan considers cities emerging and responding in response to economic opportunity.
- How we can avoid the common pitfalls seen with the new urbanist movement in the past.
- How they consider emerging new forms of transport when selecting sites and designing communities.
Check out Culdesac’s website right here - https://culdesac.com/
The Infinite Block is a podcast about the intersection of tech, the social contract and cities, using the lens of disruptive technologies like micromobility and crypto to understand how cities of the future will work in an age of declining trust and agility in governments. Check out our newsletter and podcast.

May 1, 2022 • 43min
135: A full stack electric motorbike and battery swapping solution in Rwanda! - Ampersand
This week Oliver interviews Josh Whale, the founder/CEO of Ampersand, based in Rwanda. This is a story that we've wanted to bring our listeners for more than two years - ever since we first heard that there was a team trying to build their own full stack motorbike and battery swapping hardware and software in one of the world's most underserved mobility markets. We're excited that it shows the adoption of micromobility in markets purely on the basis of its economic merits, and helps develop low-carbon pathways to mobility market growth.
Specifically they talk about:
- How Josh, a New Zealander, ended up in Rwanda building electric motorbikes.
- What is Ampersand and how their growth has tracked so far.
- Why micromobility matters for countries like Rwanda.
- How they source vehicles, why they chose to go to route of building their own and what has worked/not worked.
- Over time, might they build a Gojek style application for Ampersand
- How have they managed to fund the operation to date and what have they learnt in that process
- what are the unit economics like in Rwanda for motorbike taxi operators, and how Ampersand improves this
- What the scene for local indigenous vehicle production is like in Rwanda and surrounding countries
- What Josh would like people to know about the micromobility scene in Rwanda