

Business Trip
Greg Kubin & Matias Serebrinsky
Business Trip explores the frontiers of brain and mental health. Each episode features founders, investors, and researchers in psychedelics, neurotechnology, neurometabolism, precision medicine, digital therapeutics, novel modalities, and more.
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Oct 27, 2022 • 43min
Perspectives from Christian Angermayer, investor and founder in psychedelics
In this week's episode, we chat with Christian Angermayer. Christian co-founded atai Life Sciences and was an early investor in Compass Pathways -- two of the first companies commercializing psychedelic medicine. Christian also launched a fund dedicated to mental and neurological health called re:Mind, is an investor through his family office Apeiron, and co-founded two longevity biotech companies.Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music:Distant Daze by Zack Frank

Sep 14, 2022 • 55min
Soltara: an ethical and profitable ayahuasca retreat
In this week’s episode, we chat with Melissa Stangl, co-founder of Soltara Healing Center. Soltara is an ayahuasca retreat center whose ceremonies are lead by Shipibo healers, with locations in Peru and Costa Rica. The Shipibo people are from the Peruvian Amazon and are part of a tradition that has been drinking Ayahuasca for healing and spiritual purposes for thousands of years. In their ceremonies, the Shipibo serve ayahuasca and sing songs, called Icaros, which guide the healing process and journey.Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music:Distant Daze by Zack Frank

Aug 16, 2022 • 58min
Microdosing (part 3): The path to FDA approval w/ MindMed and Diamond Therapeutics
This is final episode in our 3-part series on microdosing that explores the science, history, and clinical applications. In this episode, we discuss the path to FDA approval for microdosing. We chat with the chief medical officers from Diamond Therapeutics and MindMed about their microdosing clinical programs. Diamond's program uses synthetic psilocybin and is focused on anxiety disorders. Meanwhile, MindMed is focused using low doses of LSD to treat adult ADHD. Our guests are Dr. Michael McDonnell (Diamond Therapeutics) and Dr. Dan Karlin (MindMed).In case you missed it: In part 1, we interviewed psychedelic researcher James Fadiman about the fundamentals of microdosing. In part 2, we discuss placebo effect and the results of a self-blinded placebo-controlled study with Balázs Szigeti from the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London.Disclaimer: This is not investment advice and is for information and educational purposes only. Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music:Distant Daze by Zack Frank

Aug 10, 2022 • 37min
Microdosing (part 2): Placebo is a hell of a drug with Balázs Szigeti
This is part 2 or our 3 part series on microdosing that explore the science, history, and clinical applications. In part 1, we interviewed psychedelic researcher James Fadiman about the fundamentals of microdosing. In part 2, we wanted to understand the placebo effect. In particular, is it the microdose that makes people feel better or it is a placebo effect? We interviewed Balázs Szigeti PhD, who is a researcher associate at the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London. His team conducted the largest placebo-controlled microdosing study in 2020. Balázs unpacks the study and their findings in the episode.Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack FrankZone Out by Daniel FridellLinks to topics discussed in this episode:Self-blinding citizen science to explore psychedelic microdosing (Szigeti et al., 2021)Centre for Psychedelic Research - Imperial College LondonStatistical and clinical significance

Aug 3, 2022 • 33min
Microdosing (part 1): James Fadiman and the fundamentals of microdosing
In this 3-part series on microdosing, we explore the science, history, and its clinical potential. The anecdotal benefits of microdosing include better mood, creativity, and increased focus. But there are still many unanswered questions that remain. What is an effective dosing protocol? Is it safe in long term use? Does it even work or is it a placebo effect?In part 1, we chat with James Fadiman, Ph.D who has been researching psychedelics since the 1960’s. He's the author of several books, including the Psychedelic Explorer's Guide. He has collected thousands of microdosing reports and even has his own microdosing protocol - called the Fadiman protocol. When we talk about standing on the shoulders of giants, James Fadiman is one of them.Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Greg Kubin Produced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack FrankLinks to topics discussed in this episode:Jim's microdosing websiteSofia UniversityThe Psychedelic Explorer's GuidePsychedelics Promote Structural and Functional Neural Plasticity (Ly et al, 2018)

Jun 24, 2022 • 49min
How the DEA and FDA will regulate psychedelic medicine
In this week’s episode, we chat with Matt Zorn, an attorney at Yetter Coleman with expertise in DEA law, especially regarding psychedelics. Matt is currently challenging the DEA’s decision to schedule 5 new tryptamines, he recently argued Kathryn Tucker’s psilocybin “Right To Try” case against the DEA, and previously co-led Sue Sisley’s DEA case related to cannabis scheduling. Matt also writes the drug policy newsletter On Drugs.Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Matias Serebrinsky & Greg KubinProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack Frank

Jun 5, 2022 • 46min
The state of psychedelics: Dr. Rachel Yehuda and Zach Haigney (live recording at Soho House)
In this week’s special episode, Matias chats with Dr. Rachel Yehuda and Zach Haigney at Soho House in New York City. The episode was recorded in front of a live audience. Dr. Yehuda has spent the last 30 years doing research on PTSD and trauma and is leading the MDMA-assisted therapy research at the US Veterans Affairs Medical Center. She is the Director at the Mental Health Patient Care Center at the James J. Peters VA Medical Center, Director of the Center for Psychedelic Psychotherapy and Trauma Research at Mount Sinai Hospital, as well as Professor of Psychiatry and Neuroscience at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital. Zach Haigney writes the Trip Report by Beckley Waves, a newsletter about the science, policy, and business of psychedelics.Credits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Matias Serebrinsky & Greg KubinProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack Frank

May 23, 2022 • 42min
Empowering the next wave of psychedelic therapists: Journey Clinical
In Episode 18, we chat with Jonathan Sabbagh and Myriam Barthes, the co-founders of Journey Clinical, a platform that enables licensed therapists to offer ketamine-assisted psychotherapy (KAP). Journey Clinical provides licensed therapists with an on-demand KAP-trained medical team, customized treatments for each client, and a portal to connect with other therapists and educational resources.In this episode, we discuss:The journey from idea to 100+ therapist membersHow ketamine-assisted therapy works and the Journey Clinical's vision for the futureBalancing growth with protecting the relationship between patient and therapistCredits: Created by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Matias Serebrinsky & Greg KubinProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack Frank

Apr 18, 2022 • 36min
Osmind and the future of electronic health records in psychedelic medicine
In today’s episode, we chat with Lucia Huang, the CEO and co-founder of Osmind, an electronic health record software system for treatment resistant mental health practices that is already in over 300 clinics. In this episode, we discuss:How Osmind makes data-driven decisions Osmind’s quick growth in only 2 yearsWhat it will take for insurance to cover ketamine therapy, as well as other psychedelic therapiesCreated by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Matias Serebrinsky & Greg KubinProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankMarketing by DaisyMae VanValkenburghFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack Frank

Mar 21, 2022 • 48min
Palo Santo on investing in 2nd gen psychedelics and public markets
In today’s episode, we chat with Tim Schlidt, a partner at Palo Santo. Palo Santo is a fund investing in psychedelic therapeutics. Palo Santo’s portfolio includes companies like Eleusis, Tactogen, and Journey Clinical.In this episode, we discuss:Tim’s background in healthcare financeInvesting in classic psychedelic compounds vs. 2nd generation compoundsHallmarks of a good first meeting with a prospective investmentCreated by Greg Kubin and Matias SerebrinskyHost: Matias Serebrinsky & Greg KubinProduced by Jonathan A. Davis & Zack FrankMarketing by DaisyMae VanValkenburghFind us at businesstrip.fmFollow us on Instagram and Twitter!Theme music by Dorian LoveAdditional Music: Distant Daze by Zack Frank


