

The China in Africa Podcast
The China-Global South Project
Twice-weekly discussion about China's engagement across Africa and the Global South hosted by journalist Eric Olander and Asia-Africa scholar Cobus van Staden in Johannesburg.
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Oct 1, 2025 • 57min
China's Play for Global Governance Leadership
Brian Wong, an assistant professor at the University of Hong Kong and expert on Chinese global governance, explores China's newly announced Global Governance Initiative (GGI). He discusses how China is positioning itself for leadership amid declining US influence, emphasizing its economic interests and support for multilateralism. Wong highlights the concept of 'dexterous ambiguity' in Chinese initiatives, and reveals the need for China to build trust with neighbors despite geopolitical tensions. He argues that the GGI offers states more options without completely challenging the current global order.

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Sep 26, 2025 • 46min
Africa Buys More From China Than Ever. That’s a Problem.
Trade between Africa and China is booming, surpassing $220 billion, but the surge in Chinese exports exacerbates a staggering $60 billion trade deficit. South Africa is struggling to close this gap, largely reliant on agricultural exports. The ethics of food exports amidst local food insecurity raises concerns. Local producers are squeezed by low-cost imports, complicating market dynamics. Discussion shifts to trade concentration and the potential of intra-African trade to reduce reliance on China. Hybrid consumer models may emerge as innovation drives new markets.

Sep 19, 2025 • 1h 1min
Africa-Asia Relations Beyond China
Amit Jain, Director at Nanyang Technological University, explores the evolving Asia-Africa economic landscape, highlighting Singapore's role as a trading hub. Veda Vaidyanathan from CSEP shares insights on India's renewed focus on Africa, discussing opportunities and challenges in these partnerships. The conversation delves into critical minerals, mutual learning, and the historical ties influencing current relations. Both guests stress the importance of African agency in navigating partnerships beyond China and the need for deeper engagement with Asian nations.

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Sep 12, 2025 • 52min
China’s Gradual but Growing Security Influence in Africa
Lungani Hlongwa, editor of the China-Africa Security Radar, dives into China's expanding security presence in Africa. He discusses how Chinese arms sales have made China the largest supplier in Sub-Saharan Africa. The conversation highlights the shift of African militaries towards China for support, moving away from traditional U.S. partnerships. Hlongwa also addresses rising concerns about the safety of Chinese nationals amid kidnappings in countries like the DRC and Nigeria, emphasizing the complexities of security governance on the continent.

Sep 5, 2025 • 35min
Kenya Caught Uncomfortably Between the U.S. and China
The Kenyan government is under mounting pressure from the United States over its close ties with China. Influential lawmakers in Washington are furious over comments made by President William Ruto during a visit to Beijing earlier this year, where he said Kenya and China will be the "architects of a new world order." The remark was particularly upsetting for some in Washington, given Kenya's role as a Major Non-NATO Ally. Aggrey Mutambo, Africa editor at the Nation newspaper, joins Eric & Cobus from Nairobi to discuss how the Kenyan government is responding and what it's doing to maintain stable ties with both major powers. SHOW NOTES: Aggrey Mutambo's article index at the Nation newspaper. JOIN THE DISCUSSION: X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander | @agmutambo Facebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProject YouTube: www.youtube.com/@ChinaGlobalSouth Now on Bluesky! Follow CGSP at @chinagsproject.bsky.social FOLLOW CGSP IN FRENCH: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChine JOIN US ON PATREON! Become a CGSP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CGSP Podcast mug! www.patreon.com/chinaglobalsouth

Aug 29, 2025 • 36min
Africa is a Testing Ground for China’s Global Security Initiative
Paul Nantulya, a research associate at the Africa Strategic Studies Center, dives into China's growing role in African security. He discusses China's Global Security Initiative, contrasting it with Western military approaches. Paul highlights how African leaders navigate loans and partnerships while assessing security training from China. The conversation sheds light on the complexities of China-Africa relations, emphasizing the reciprocal nature of security support and diplomatic backing. It's a riveting exploration of how these dynamics shape Africa's future.

Aug 23, 2025 • 50min
How Zambian Media Frames China, the U.S., Japan, and South Africa
Who shapes Africa’s story? Zambia’s media offers a rare window into how local voices frame global powers like China, the U.S., Japan, and South Africa. From debates on debt and development to questions of governance and influence, the coverage reveals both common threads and striking differences with other regions. Natsuko Imai Kanayama, a researcher at the JICA Ogata Sadako Research Institute for Peace and Development in Tokyo joins Eric & Géraud to share insights from her comparative study, highlighting how Zambian media narratives can challenge global assumptions about power, partnerships, and agency. JOIN THE DISCUSSION: X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander | @christiangeraud Facebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProject YouTube: www.youtube.com/@ChinaGlobalSouth Now on Bluesky! Follow CGSP at @chinagsproject.bsky.social FOLLOW CGSP IN FRENCH AND ARABIC: Français: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChine Arabic: عربي: www.alsin-alsharqalawsat.com | @SinSharqAwsat JOIN US ON PATREON! Become a CGSP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CGSP Podcast mug! www.patreon.com/chinaglobalsouth

Aug 15, 2025 • 25min
If You Want to Get Rich, Build a Road. Testing China’s Theory in Africa
There's a Chinese proverb that says, “If you want to get rich, build a road first.” That philosophy has guided China's development strategy in Africa for much of the past 25 years, that's led to the construction of more than 100,000km of new roads across the continent. We wanted to find out, though, if it's true: does a new road actually pave the way for prosperity, as they say it does? So, we asked Malawi-based journalist Raphael Mweninguwe to visit two highways, the M1 and M26, to speak with local residents and shopkeepers about whether their lives have improved since the Chinese built these highways. Raphael joins Eric from the Malawian capital, Lilongwe, to discuss his report that was published on CGSP this week and explain why the question about whether the road helped improve their lives doesn't have a simple answer. SHOW NOTES: The China-Global South Project: Chinese-Built Roads in Malawi Bring Hope but Not the Riches Many Expected by Raphael Mweninguwe JOIN THE DISCUSSION: X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander Facebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProject YouTube: www.youtube.com/@ChinaGlobalSouth Now on Bluesky! Follow CGSP at @chinagsproject.bsky.social FOLLOW CGSP IN FRENCH AND ARABIC: Français: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChine Arabic: عربي: www.alsin-alsharqalawsat.com | @SinSharqAwsat JOIN US ON PATREON! Become a CGSP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CGSP Podcast mug! www.patreon.com/chinaglobalsouth

Aug 8, 2025 • 1h 7min
A Turbulent Week for China-Africa Media Narratives
Over the past week, sharply contrasting images of Chinese engagement in Africa surfaced online. Anger erupted on social media over the release of yet another violent video that shows Congolese soldiers brutally beating local miners purportedly at the behest of Chinese nationals watching in the background. A controversial hour-long documentary by one of Zambia's leading newspapers also sparked a lot of discussion over the labor and environmental records of Chinese mining companies in the country. The Chinese embassy in Lusaka denounced the program as "biased" and containing "hidden motives." Meanwhile, in China, a 15-second teaser of a new blockbuster movie also dropped this week that looks like it's set in a fictitious North African country, while popular Chinese travel vlogger Zhang Jun released a visually stunning 2.5-hour-long documentary on the Congolese fashion scene known as "La Sape." Eric, Géraud & Cobus discuss these various clips and shows that emerged this week and what they reveal about the evolution of China-Africa media narratives. SHOW NOTES: Justicia ABSL: Violent beating of Congolese miners by FARDC soldiers News Diggers: China: The Good, the Bad and the Dangerous Movie Trailer: 用武之地/The Point of No Return The Fashion Bible: Congo’s “La Sape” Fashion Culture Through the Unlikely Lens of a Chinese Vlogger JOIN THE DISCUSSION: X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander | @stadenesque | @christiangeraud Facebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProject YouTube: www.youtube.com/@ChinaGlobalSouth Now on Bluesky! Follow CGSP at @chinagsproject.bsky.social FOLLOW CGSP IN FRENCH AND ARABIC: Français: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChine Arabic: عربي: www.alsin-alsharqalawsat.com | @SinSharqAwsat JOIN US ON PATREON! Become a CGSP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CGSP Podcast mug! www.patreon.com/chinaglobalsouth

Aug 1, 2025 • 48min
[WEEK IN REVIEW] China Invests in Angola to Secure Food Supply Chains
A massive $100 million deal sees Sinohydro enhancing Angola's agricultural infrastructure to boost grain production, with 60% destined for China. This comes alongside Citic's $250 million contract to develop large-scale soybean and corn farms. The discussion delves into why these strategic moves are crucial for China as it seeks to reduce its reliance on U.S. imports. Insights into the broader implications for Africa's agricultural landscape and geopolitical tensions provide a compelling backdrop to the story.