
Boxes and Lines
In today's equity markets, the devil’s in the details. This is a podcast for traders, asset managers, and anyone who wants to understand the machinations, politics, and incentive structures underpinning our shared markets.
With irreverence and insight, IEX’s Ronan Ryan and John “JR” Ramsay hold court on market structure with Wall Street’s most savvy market practitioners, sharing their insiders’ view on how Wall Street really works. You'll never trade the same way again.
Latest episodes

Oct 29, 2024 • 24min
The Parent Trap: Patrice Meagher of MilkMate on Creating Better Work Environments for New Moms
In this special episode of Boxes and Lines, we’re switching things up. Guest host Jayme Abrahamsen from IEX’s business development team takes over the mic to chat with Patrice Meagher, founder of MilkMate. Patrice shares the story behind MilkMate , a company dedicated to providing solutions for nursing mothers in the workplace. Tune in as Jayme and Patrice take a closer look at how industries like finance—often male-dominated—can benefit from adopting more inclusive parental support policies.

Oct 9, 2024 • 27min
Steering a Sovereign Wealth Fund with Emil Framnes of Norges Bank
Emil Framnes, the Global Head of Equity Trading and Transition at Norges Bank Investment Management, discusses how Norway's sovereign wealth fund, valued at $1.7 trillion, manages investments across 40 countries. He dives into the intricacies of market structure, the importance of risk management, and the trade-offs of liquidity in European versus U.S. exchanges. In a lighter moment, Emil playfully agrees that chocolate could serve as currency, showcasing the fun side of finance amidst serious investment strategies.

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Sep 24, 2024 • 0sec
The Penny Stock Problem – Boxes and Lines Lite
This week, JR, a former SEC insider, joins Ronan to dissect the world of penny stocks. They delve into why these low-priced stocks are notorious for being both risky and misleading. JR shares his insider perspective on the recent surge of penny stocks and the regulatory challenges that have arisen. The discussion highlights Virtu's recommendations for stricter regulations, focusing on insider dilution and market manipulation. Tune in for an engaging chat that uncovers the complexities of these tiny tickers!

Sep 10, 2024 • 43min
Youthquake! Ronan and JR Interview IEX’s Summer Interns
JR and Ronan interview IEX interns Annie, Shay, Alex, and Rory from our class of Summer 2024 with a twist: the interns are also asking some questions. As the co-hosts get in the hot seat, we hear what kept Ronan and JR up at night early in their careers, as well as their advice for the interns as these budding pros build their career paths.

Aug 27, 2024 • 38min
The Revolution Turns 25: Patrick Young on Markets, FinTech, and What’s Next
In this episode of Boxes and Lines, we’re joined by Patrick Young, trader, media pundit and author of late nineties fintech harbinger "Capital Market Revolution." Two decades after predicting the digitization of finance, Patrick reflects on how his forecasts have played out and what he got right, wrong, and how his lateral thinking has been both a blessing and a curse. Ronan and JR get his thoughts on AI handwringing, comparing it to the Y2K fears of the past, and explore how today’s technological anxieties and millennial solipsism might shape tomorrow’s markets. Patrick also shares insights from his daily newsletter, Exchange Invest, where he delivers a cheeky take on the latest in market infrastructure. Hit play and look for Patrick the next time you’re watching House Hunters International.

Aug 13, 2024 • 35min
Doom or Boom? Forecasting the Future with Economist Nouriel "Dr. Doom" Roubini
Note**: this episode was recorded before President Biden announced he wouldn’t be running for a second term ** We’ve got another predictions episode for you this season – this time with legendary economist Dr. Nouriel Roubini, who was given the warm and fuzzy nickname of 'Dr. Doom' by the media for his prescient prediction of the 2008 financial crisis. Dr. Roubini, a bestselling author and professor at NYU’s Stern School of Business and an expert in global economics, talks about the impact of the upcoming election, what each candidate might bring to their presidency, and shares his thoughts on crypto, blockchain, and AI. He also discusses his new book, “MegaThreats,” and, in a change of pace, gives some tips on living a long, fulfilling life. Whether you agree or disagree with his viewpoints, this episode will definitely get you thinking about your own predictions for November. (Or possibly reaching for a nice stiff drink.)

Jul 30, 2024 • 11min
Would 24/7 Trading Be a 24/7 Nightmare? Boxes and Lines Lite
24/7 trading – it’s the topic JR and Ronan love to hate and, according to a recent wave of press this year covering Wall Street’s wariness to adopt it, they’re not alone. But does everyone need to get with the program? Many retail brokers, including Robinhood and Interactive Brokers, offer 24-hour trading on weekdays for US stocks, and start-up 24 Exchange, backed by Steve Cohen’s Point72 Ventures fund, is seeking SEC approval to launch the first always-on exchange. In this new short “Lite” episode with JR and Ronan, they break down the arguments for and against round-the-clock trading and weigh in. Recorded July 23, 2024.

Jul 16, 2024 • 18min
Run, Ronan, Run: With Olympians Eamonn Coghlan and Gerry O’Reilly
Boxes and Lines is back from a summer break with new episodes, kicking off with this special edition featuring two legendary Irish Olympic runners, Eamonn Coghlan and Gerry O'Reilly. Running has been on Ronan Ryan’s mind lately, as he’s gearing up for a charity 10K race in November for GOAL, a global humanitarian organization, as part of the Great Ethiopian Run. As the chair of GOAL USA’s Board of Directors, Ronan will join 45,000 other runners in Africa’s largest road race to help GOAL address poverty, hunger, disease, and conflict in Ethiopia. Tune in to hear Ronan receive running tips from Eamonn and Gerry, along with some encouragement from JR via his attempt at an Irish accent. If you’d like to support Ronan and the work of GOAL, visit goalus.org. Recorded July 11, 2024.

May 28, 2024 • 43min
The Better Halves of Boxes & Lines – with Nick Buzard and Kara Ryan
This time, it’s personal. JR and Ronan’s spouses, Nick Buzard and Kara Ryan, join the show to discuss their kids, pets, their experiences navigating work-from-home life during COVID, and their advice for all newlyweds at IEX (and those listening!). For the final segment, the couples put their knowledge of each other to the test in a lightning round of the ‘Newlywed Game’ where the rules get quickly thrown out the window. Who comes out victorious? And will you still want to share chips and dip at a party with JR after you listen? Find out on this week’s Boxes and Lines. Recorded May 1, 2024.

May 16, 2024 • 43min
Trading Plays: The Intersection of Market Structure and Sports Betting with Sporttrade’s Alex Kane
In this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR chat with Alex Kane, CEO of sports betting exchange Sporttrade. He breaks down how Sporttrade incorporates features similar to traditional elements of trading and stands out from traditional sportsbooks by offering lower costs and more control to users. He also discusses the challenges of expanding the company amid the patchwork of U.S. gambling laws, as well as elements designed to protect consumers and Sporttrade’s more unique features like in-play betting. JR goes full “Godfather” and asks about horse heads in beds and kneecapping. We’re going to make you an offer you can’t refuse – hit play on this ep! Recorded May 9, 2024.
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