
Acquisition Talk
A podcast on the management, technology, and political-economy of weapon systems acquisition.
Latest episodes

Nov 30, 2022 • 55min
Creating Innovation Navigators with Sabra Horne
Sabra Horne joined me on the Acquisition Talk podcast to discussed her new book: Creating Innovation Navigators: Achieving Mission Through Innovation. She is an executive in residence at BMNT, and before that she held a number of important roles including Innovation Hub Chief at DHS's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, Deputy for Information Sharing and Collaboration at the National Security Agency, and an advisor to the Chief of Staff for the Director of National Intelligence.
1:20 - characterizing the 300 federal innovation efforts
3:40 - streamlining clearance and suitability processes
6:30 - how to select metrics and evaluate performance
10:00 - when mission calls, people deliver
13:30 - using commercial solutions openings
17:00 - leadership and the DHS procurement innovation lab
22:00 - partnering with general counsel to adopt authorities
23:50 - BMNT's innovation navigator's course
27:00 - how to get to 'yes' with the frozen middle and stakeholders
31:10 - we need 20 Hondo Geurts and 20 Mike Browns
32:30 - it took 30 years for government to organize around cyber
37:00 - the innovation pipeline
39:30 - requirements and budgeting misaligned with human-centered design
45:00 - engaging with industry
50:00 - investment readiness levels, adoption readiness levels
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com

Nov 19, 2022 • 56min
PPBE Reform with Ellen Lord and Michael Brown
Ellen Lord and Michael Brown joined me at the 2022 Conference hosted by George Mason University and Defense Acquisition University to discuss PPBE Reform. Ellen Lord is Vice Chair of the Commission on PPBE Reform and former USD A&S, while Mike Brown is a Partner at Shield Capital and Visiting Scholar at the Hoover Institute, just recently finishing up as Director of the Defense Innovation Unit.

Nov 17, 2022 • 38min
NatSec News: Nov. 11, 2022
Eric Lofgren and Matt MacGregor chat about the week's newsworthy headlines the world of military acquisition.
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com

Nov 10, 2022 • 59min
Getting Weapons Into Production With USD A&S Bill LaPlante
The Undersecretary for Acquisition & Sustainment (USD A&S) Bill LaPlante joined us at the 2022 Conference hosted by George Mason University and Defense Acquisition University. He was on fire and dropped a ton of amazing insights, so I had to republish the audio to the podcast. I'll link to the video when it's up, but you'll get to listen to it here first. Bill LaPlante touches a number of important areas. The outline of the discussion is below.
2:30 - Production really matters
3:30 - Minimum sustaining rate
4:50 - HIMARS produced in a converted diaper factory
5:50 - In the past, DoD stopped production on HIMARS, Mark 48 torpedo, and Tomahawk
6:45 - In 70 years of demos, DoD has not gotten hypersonics into production
7:50 - DoD was bad at prototyping until MTAs and OTAs
8:30 - Don't tell me it's got AI and quantum, don't drop DevSecOps -- production at scale
9:20 - If something blew up in INDOPACOM next week, what does DoD have in quantity?
10:30 - Null Program found it takes 4 years for DoD to produce nothing
11:15 - Tech bros aren't helping much in Ukraine
12:45 - RFPs, source selections, money -- that's what matters
14:30 - FFRDCs get paid to write a paper that finds when quantity goes down, price goes up (duh!)
15:00 - Predicts that Congress will put billions into production lines
15:30 - M777, HIMARS, Stinger all have obsolescence issues
17:30 - National Armaments Directors from 45 partner countries meet to coordinate
18:30 - Industry won't invest without demand signal because DoD left them "holding the bag" in the past
18:45 - Supply chain issues in microelectronics, solid rocket motors, actuators, rare earth magnets
19:15 - Allies must not only be interoperable, but interchangeable
20:00 - Industry must be forced into interchangeability, like MOSA, because it lowers barriers to entry
20:30 - Take advantage of allied non-recurring development, like on E-7 Wedgetail
21:30 - US weapon production lines opening in Japan and Australia is a key deterrent
22:45 - Outsourcing production was a bad idea, dev & prod must be co-located
23:45 - Japan strategically kept rare earth processing capacity
26:00 - In JADC2, latency matters, link budgets matter
27:40 - Services working together very well on JADC2
28:30 - JTRS architecture was flawed from first principles, no one caught it
29:00 - Service oriented architecture was wrong for things like GPS OCX
32:30 - $50B spent on MTA, $2B for SWP (and another $8B in POM)
33:15 - MTA, SWP, BA 8 are small slivers compared to traditional acquisition
34:15 - Cycle time from Milestone B to C has not increased since 1960s, still 5-7 years
35:40 - Definition of success: production, relevant in high-end fight, and DOTMLPF
36:15 - Derek Tournear and SDA on path to do something remarkable
36:45 - Conventional Prompt Strike MTA may be first hypersonic in production next year
37:00 - Not many MTA successes in production yet
37:30 - OTAs not good for large weapon systems where DoD needs data rights
40:30 - Requirements, PPBE, and acquisition report up different chains, not synced
40:00 - How Air Force RCO decisions are made at the top, quickly
41:30 - RCO model doesn't scale to entire DoD, senior lead attention limited
42:20 - PEOs must be able to trade requirements and money in year of execution
42:30 - Cool if PPBE commission could make PPBE agile
44:15 - Appropriators won't want to give DoD flexibility
44:30 - Without PPBE reform, DoD is doing a "Poor Man's" version of portfolio management
46:25 - Remembering the late Ash Carter
47:00 - Acquisition community was not at war until 2009
47:30 - Creation of the Senior Integration Group (SIG)
51:30 - Bipartisan support for national security
52:40 - DoD response to inflation
53:00 - Believes suppliers are hurt by inflation, but no data yet
55:30 - Expects CPIF contracts will slip due to inflation
57:30 - Competition changes behavior, no question
57:50 - Little difference between classified info on Ukraine and public news
58:40 - Acquisition is fun

Nov 2, 2022 • 59min
NatSec News: Nov 1, 2022
Eric Lofgren and Matt MacGregor chat about the week's newsworthy headlines the world of military acquisition.
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com

Oct 28, 2022 • 46min
Industrial policy to counter China with Emily de la Bruyere
I was pleased to have Emily de la Bruyere join me on the Acquisition Talk podcast. She's a co-founder of Horizon Advisory, a geopolitical consultancy, and a senior fellow at the foundation for defensive democracies. She's frequently cited on China and industrial matters, and she has brought some excellent voices together on these topics in a new publication called Force Distance Times.
In the episode we discuss:
Vertical integration of supply in China
If the term 'industrial policy' is naughty or not
Whether US or European firms are transferring more tech to China
How the DC consensus has changed
The dangers of underestimating China
Emily argues that Beijing's industrial strategy is to create incentives for private and state owned companies to invest in redundancy and excess capacity. While it produces inefficiencies, analysts on the outside are inclined to look at the failures rather than the totality of investments. Not only have many sectors been successfully developed, they gained enormous leverage over US supply chains that gives it coercive power -- not to mention how redundant industrial capacity is a critical to mobilize the nation for a major conflict.
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com

Oct 26, 2022 • 56min
NatSec News: Oct 25, 2022
Eric Lofgren and Matt MacGregor chat about the week's newsworthy headlines the world of military acquisition.
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com

Oct 5, 2022 • 1h 1min
Military AI/ML in China and the United States with Greg Allen
In this cross-over episode of the Acquisition Talk and China Talk podcasts, we have Greg Allen on to discuss progress in AI/ML defense applications in China and the United States. Greg Allen is the director for the project on AI governance at CSIS, and was formerly the director of strategy and policy at the Joint Artificial Intelligence Center (JAIC).
During the episode, we discuss:
- Military use cases of AI/ML as they are shaping up in Ukraine
- Bureaucratic challenges in the US to fielding AI/ML systems
- How far is the US away from weaponizing autonomy
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com
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Sep 28, 2022 • 47min
NatSec News: Sep. 27, 2022
Eric Lofgren and Matt MacGregor chat about the week's newsworthy headlines the world of military acquisition.
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com

Sep 20, 2022 • 53min
The power of the industry consortium with Stephanie Halcrow and Moshe Schwartz
In this episode of the Acquisition Talk podcast, we listen in an event hosted by the Center for Government Contracting to discuss a recent paper authored by Center Senior Fellow Stephanie Halcrow and longtime acquisition guru and President of Etherton and Associates Moshe Schwartz. The paper is called The Power of Many: Leveraging Consortia to Promote Innovation, Expand the Defense Industrial Base, and Accelerate Acquisition. In the episode, they discuss:
Whether consortia have increased nontraditional participation with DoD
- Challenges in Other Transaction data collection
- How OT consortia can help DoD and industry collaborate in real time
- Dangers of adding too much process onto consortia
- How allies and foreign partners can participate
To discuss the paper, Stephanie and Moshe invited an excellent panel including: Margaret Boatner, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army for Strategy and Acquisition Reform; David Simenc, Executive Director of Tactical Systems at SciTech Inc.; and Charlie Zisette, Executive Director of the National Armaments Consortium.
This podcast was produced by Eric Lofgren. You can follow me on Twitter @AcqTalk and find more information at https://AcquisitionTalk.com
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