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Jan 22, 2023 • 42min
#0069 - Jim Benson - Kanban and the Collaboration Equation
Jim Benson, author of personal Kanban, discusses how Kanban helps teams identify and resolve bottlenecks. He emphasizes the importance of providing people with information, safety, and purpose in organizations to improve decision-making. The podcast explores the benefits of Kanban boards, challenges in bureaucratic structures, and the shift towards empowerment and collaboration to enhance efficiency and innovation.

Jan 13, 2023 • 44min
#0068 - agile innovation
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat about their experience with start ups and scale-ups venture capitalists and corporate innovation. We talk about manager's fear of innovation, innovation theatre, and some models that organisations could use to be far more innovative than they are now.
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Jan 8, 2023 • 57min
#0067 - Eric Lopez - mission command
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss mission command with Eric Lopez, a management consultant, CEO and retired US Army Colonel who commanded troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Eric explains how mission command allows leaders to decentralize tactical decisions so that people on the ground can take initiative to achieve the mission in a volatile and uncertain environment. Mission command helps leaders become much more agile in a rapidly changing world.
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Dec 31, 2022 • 59min
#0066 - Teresa Torres - continuous discovery.
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Teresa Torres, a product coach, speaker, and author of continuous discovery habits. She explains how product managers, designers, and software engineers can use continuous discovery to ensure that they're building the right product and continuously improving it over time. In this interview, you'll learn to balance action with research so that you can get started without being blindsided by what you don't get right. If you want to discover products that customers love that deliver valuable business results. Then this interview is for you.
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Dec 17, 2022 • 1h 11min
#0065 - Dan Olsen - the lean product development playbook
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Dan Olson, author of the lean product development playbook. A practical guide to building products that customers love. Most new products fail on most new features are rarely used. Dan describes a practical six step process to improve your chances of building successful products.
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Dec 9, 2022 • 45min
#0064 - Anabela Cesario - ProductOps
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Anabela Cesário VP of product ops at OutSystems, a low code development platform. Anabela describes what product ops is and how her team mentors, coaches, supports and trains 25 product managers. From setting up the product board tool to training people in continuous discovery, providing standard data for product reporting and managing the company's strategic product planning and reporting process.
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Dec 1, 2022 • 50min
#0063 - Jonathan Hall - implementing continuous delivery
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jonathan Hall about implementing Continuous Delivery. CI/CD requires a level of test automation that seems impossible for most organisations. Jonathan describes a practical implementation path to CI/CD that everyone can do. Start by changing the role of QA to focus on pairing with developers to write good automated tests. Automate tests for all of your code changes, bug fixes and change regression testing. Automate your deployment and rollback tests. Test your changes one at a time against a fresh copy of production. Fix all defects and broken tests immediately. This will allow you to move to full CI/CD over time. And that will allow you to learn and produce results much faster and more efficiently.
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Nov 23, 2022 • 57min
#0062 - Jeff Gothelf - lean ux and sense and respond
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jeff Gothelf about Lean UX and Sense and Respond. Lean UX explains how to do UX design and product development in a highly agile way. The core of Lean UX is the canvas, a facilitation tool for collaboratively collecting and testing product hypotheses. The key output is a prioritised backlog of discovery experiments. Sense and respond is a management book that explains how to organise and support agile product teams and encourage agile product and UX design thinking. It explains how to continuously research, design and development to maximise learning and value. Dual Track means that one team with one backlog does research, design and delivery work simultaneously with the same team in the same iteration. A lot of discovery stories should result in no further development. Higher-level planning should be done with outcome-focused product roadmaps, not lists of features. Outcomes, not outputs. Collaboration, not authority. Continuous discovery, not upfront design. Cross-functional product teams, not specialised research and design functions.
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Nov 17, 2022 • 24min
#0061 - Adam Thomas - product survival metrics
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Adam Thomas about Product Survival Metrics. Empower the product team to make decisions quickly in uncertain situations by negotiating clear boundaries for the product team. Negotiate boundaries with stakeholders early. Use data to track your progress. When your heading towards a boundary make decisions to stop, pivot or invest. Product development is not a linear path. Agile product development is not a methodology that you buy it's a way of working that you find. Use decision journals to document and review decisions.
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Nov 10, 2022 • 56min
#0060 - Christian Crumlish - the intersection between UX design and product management
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Christian Crumlish about the intersection between UX Design and Product Management. The risk of designing the wrong product is high. Customer research reduces that risk and uncertainty early. Product Development is a process of continuously learning, building and adapting. You can start anywhere in the cycle if you keep looping through it. Good products come from cross-functional product teams that are focused on measurable outcomes. Be outcome-focused rather than output-focused. One team rather than silos. Empowered teams rather than bureaucracies. Tailor your design process for your situation rather than religiously following a framework. Let the problem lead you to the solution. Product Managers facilitate constant communication between stakeholders, customers, designers and engineers. Retrospectives are a powerful way to improve.
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