
Shrinking Trump
Psychologists John Gartner, Harry Segal, and their expert guests, conduct weekly sessions analyzing the psyche of Donald Trump, documenting his cognitive decline and plumbing the depths of his malignant narcissism.Dr. Gartner is a former part-time assistant professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University Medical School and the founder of Duty To Warn, an association of mental health professionals warning about Trump and Trump-ism.Dr. Segal is a senior lecturer in psychology at Cornell University.
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Nov 15, 2024 • 2h 9min
Post-Election Psychological Landscape: Coping with Grief, and The Resistance Rises
In this all-new session, Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel enlighten us with a raw discussion about the current state of America, following last week’s shocking election results. Along with our guest, renowned psychologist Dr. Drew Weston, we’ll discuss the damaging implications of Trump’s bizarre cabinet picks and look at how it reflects a broader effort by Donald to dismantle our institutions.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/This 29th episode of Shrinking Trump marks a crucial moment in addressing the collective unease felt nationwide. We’ll open the show with a reflection on the core psychological concerns that inspired this podcast series: Donald Trump's apparent cognitive decline and malignant narcissism. Dr’s. Gartner and Siegel recap the importance of recognizing how Trump’s dementia is intertwined with a pathological narcissism—a combination that leaves no room for empathy, morality, or humility. Our guest Dr. Weston provides an unmatched expert perspective on the current political climate, and emphasizes the need for understanding the systemic issues that led to our current situation. Dr.’s Gartner and Siegel stress the potential for radical acceptance—a psychological term for facing reality as it is, without denying or fighting against it.And together, they urge our listeners to remain informed and engaged, but also to maintain a balance in their lives, nurture their mental health, and find moments of joy wherever possible.We’ll share feedback from our viewers and listeners from across the country, revealing a nation dealing with fear, grief, and an overpowering sense of loss. We’ll also draw parallels to the therapeutic approaches for trauma, where naming and acknowledging emotions is a key step in healing.Our hosts also introduce the concept of radical acceptance—a psychological term for facing reality as it is, without denying or fighting against it. And along with Dr. Weston, They encourage our listeners to remain informed and engaged, but also to maintain a balance in their lives, nurture their mental health, and find moments of joy wherever possible.To conclude, the episode extends a call to action, using historical lessons to remind us all that adversity can forge a powerful resilience. In what seems like very dark times, our hosts encourage listeners to band together as symbols of hope, truth, and unwavering commitment to democracy.Join us next week as we continue to uncover the psychological layers of these unprecedented times, helping us all navigate whatever lies ahead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 8, 2024 • 1h 31min
Post-Election Session: Facing the Unthinkable in Uncertain Times
Welcome to the session of Shrinking Trump we all need after a difficult week, where Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel address the aftermath of a surprising post-election landscape that has left many Americans grappling with uncertainty, fear, and trauma. Along with their guest, John Skrovan, a renowned therapist, they delve into how to process these overwhelming emotions and maintain a realistic sense of hope.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/Dr. Skrovan joins the show to offer a calming perspective on how to navigate this new, hostile world. He advises on reconnecting with one’s surroundings and focusing on present, tangible sources of joy and goodness as a means to counteract despair. Dr.’s Gartner and Siegel reflect on their own surprise at the election results, having expected different outcomes based on their analyses of the candidates' psychological health. The episode focuses on addressing the collective trauma experienced by listeners, comparable to an emotional earthquake that leaves people in a state of shock and confusion.The hosts emphasize the importance of openly discussing feelings associated with trauma, as bottling them up can hinder the healing process. Dr. Siegel draws parallels with historical and personal experiences of loss to highlight the deep emotional impact of the election results. And In perhaps the most profound moment of the session, we’ll find meaning amidst the chaos, sharing the example of Austrian Psychologist Viktor Frankl’s resilience during dire times.The discussion transcends politics, touching upon the fundamental human need for stability amidst the fear of malevolence and unpredictability. We’ll conclude with a reminder of the power of community and collective action. There are always ways to resist authoritarianism and safeguard democracy. Whether through meditation, activism, or community involvement, the call is to stay engaged, informed, and connected.Be sure to join us next week as we continue to navigate psychological dimensions of America’s ongoing political turmoil. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 1, 2024 • 2h 22min
On the Edge of History: Shrink-Wrapping the Election Stakes
In our 27th episode, hosts Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel are joined by Dr. Stefan Ducat, to dive into all the latest drama in the pivotal pre-election landscape, underlining the dramatic importance of the imminent election on global stability and America’s future. Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/Dr.’s Gartner and Siegel, both seasoned psychologists, began this podcast series to alert the public about Donald Trump's severe personality disorder and worrying signs of cognitive decline. Initially met with a feigned ignorance and neglect by the media, their message is now being recognized as truth, thanks in part to Kamala Harris’s unmatched ability to openly challenge Trump's unhinged behavior.Dr. Stefan Ducat, a political psychologist, author, and a former psychology professor, joins the show to analyze Trump’s recent Madison Square Garden rally, drawing parallels with events from darker chapters in American history. We’ll explore how the dangerous rhetoric unleashed there revealed Trump's true internal narrative, but also mobilized an instant backlash in crucial swing states like Pennsylvania.In this episode, our hosts present a stark dichotomy between Trump's chaotic rallies, where he stokes division and fear, and Kamala’s inspirational leadership, which evokes unity and hope. We’ll also hear about how the election is a moral crossroads for America, discussing the geopolitical and domestic stakes of the results.The upcoming election is not just another political event. It's a referendum on America’s collective psyche—a choice between the chaos of authoritarianism and the promise of renewed democratic ideals. As election day looms, we hope "Shrinking Trump" has served as both a warning sign and a beacon of hope, reminding everyone of what’s at stake, while embracing this moment's potential for profound change. And don’t worry - we’ll be back again as the saga continues well beyond the ballot box, paving the way for another important journey of political and psychological insight, post-election. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 25, 2024 • 2h 21min
Kamala Calls out Donald's Decline
Welcome to another insightful session of Shrinking Trump, where Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel, along with special guest George Conway, dive into alarming new details of Donald Trump's cognitive decline, and the potential repercussions of his victory for American democracy. We are 11 days away from November 5th, 2024, the day which will determine the ultimate fate of our United States.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/In this 26th episode, our focus is squarely on the mounting new evidence of Trump's rapid deterioration. Dr. Gartner and Dr. Siegel analyze Trump's recent disjointed speech patterns, off-topic rants, and struggle to maintain coherent narratives. They’ll contrast Donald’s current performances with earlier public appearances, which were far more focused, well-spoken, and calculated. And you’ll discover how Trump's obsessive and erratic behaviors manifest in his public speeches, like with monologues about Arnold Palmer's anatomy.Our good friend George Conway returns to the show to share the latest from his Anti Psychopath PAC's efforts to expose Trump's dangerous tendencies. His movement is dedicated to broadcasting Trump's malignant narcissism and cognitive deteriorations across pivotal swing states. This week, the PAC launched a powerful full-page letter in the New York Times, bearing signatures from over 230 mental health professionals, explicitly warning the public of Trump's dangers. Our hosts dissect the behavioral contrast between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Trump's chaotic speech patterns, and unhinged public appearances are starkly juxtaposed with Harris’s consistent clarity, and ethical integrity. As Trump continues to unravel, Harris’s leadership offers a beacon of hope and stability.We’ll explore the long-term socio-political impacts of Trump's rhetoric, which continues to resonate with his base, despite his apparent cognitive decline. Our hosts also discuss the potential paths for the GOP should Kamala Harris win, and emphasize the long-term effects Trump is sure to have on the Republican party. Be sure to join us next week, for our final episode before The Election. You won't want to miss it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 18, 2024 • 2h 17min
Donald's Thought Disorder Has Become Psychotic
In this 25th episode of Shrinking Trump, hosts Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel are joined by psychologist Dr. Drew Westen to take a hard look at new evidence of the alarming cognitive decline of Donald Trump. Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/Westen, an emeritus professor of psychology from Emory University, is known for his work on the psychological aspects of political campaigns and decision-making. Westen shares his brilliant insights on Trump’s cognitive deterioration and discusses Democrats' strategies in dealing with Donald’s behavior.Dr. Gartner and Dr. Siegel analyze recent indicators of Trump's decline, which have escalated from subtle abnormalities to outright chaos. They dissect his latest episodes of disjointed speech patterns, bizarre off-topic rants, and an inability to maintain a coherent narrative. And we’ll underscore how the media has left a vacuum for independent journalists to fill by refusing to cover these issues properly. Using specific examples, we’ll assess the degradation of Trump's language skills into simplified syntax and disjointed thoughts—which stands in stark contrast to his previous style. We’ll also take a look back at our hosts' early warnings about Trump, which were largely dismissed by the media and public. They lay out in stunning detail how Donald’s signs of early dementia and severe personality disorder, which experts like John have been calling out since 2016, have now become undeniable.In this episode we’ll also present a strong contrast of Trump’s implosion with Kamala Harris’s composure and competence. Against Trump’s incoherence, Harris has emerged as a beacon of clarity, authenticity, and vigor - giving rise to her support among independent voters.Our hosts discuss the latest legal troubles for Donald, and highlight how his inability to accept the 2020 election results are symptoms of his narcissism and rapid cognitive decline. We’ll talk about all of the recent prominent figures that have acknowledged Trump's dangers, and we’ll explore some of the wild possibilities of the post-election landscape.We only have a couple episodes left before the election, so be sure to join us next week for another highly entertaining and insightful episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 11, 2024 • 1h 42min
Trump Chickens Out After Kamala Kills It On 60 Minutes
Dr.’s John Gartner and Harry Siegel return for another important session of Shrinking Trump, where they detail more shocking signs of Donald Trump's cognitive decline, and illustrate just how far Trump has drifted from a once sharp and calculated approach. And Majid Padellan, aka Brooklyn Dad, joins the show to tell us about his brand new book, The Bigliest Loser.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/Our hosts recap their nine-year journey of demanding media coverage of Trump's brain failures, which culminated this week in a scathing New York Times article, titled Trump’s Speeches, Increasingly Angry and Rambling, Reignite the Question of Age. Dr.’s Gartner and Siegel examine Trump's erratic behavior at a recent Wisconsin rally, where he made outlandish claims about connecting Elon Musk’s Starlink to aid natural disaster zones. We’ll also look at pointed examples of Trump's apocalyptic language, reflecting his fascist tendencies and deliberate effort to stoke chaos, which could have potentially dangerous effects on society.You’ll hear the latest on how George Conway’s brilliant Anti Psychopath PAC ads are driving Trumpworld bonkers, leading even Bill O’Reilly to issue an angry statement in defense of Donald.Listen in as our hosts draw a sharp comparison between Trump’s cognitive struggles with Kamala’s adeptness and clear, unifying campaign. Analyzing the pivotal role of middle-of-the-road voters, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Siegel emphasize Harris's unprecedented support among independents, suburban voters, and white college graduates, which could all be deciding metrics in the election. Be sure to join us next week for more insights on the evidence of Trump's cognitive decline, as we continue to unravel the social and political ramifications of Donald’s dangerous behavior. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 4, 2024 • 2h 22min
He’s Incoherent - Trump’s Cognitive Decline Accelerates
In this episode of, Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel are joined by George Conway to give you the latest on Jack Smith’s new damning indictment, and present new, clear evidence of Donald Trump's rapid cognitive decline.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/George Conway gives us the scoop on Trump’s decline, discusses the reliability of polls, and lays out exactly what kind of legal troubles this new indictment spells for Trump. George also tells our listeners how his Anti Psychopath PAC is triggering Donald by circulating new ads in swing states highlighting his awful history of alleged sexual misconduct.Dr. Gartner and Dr. Siegel provide an analysis of the latest evidence of Trump's deterioration, like disjointed speech patterns, off-topic rants, and struggling to maintain coherent narratives, which stand in stark contrast to his earlier public appearances. They'll also examine the legal implications of Trump's sociopathic behaviors and tendencies toward demagoguery. We’ll take a hard look at the vice presidential debate and contrast Trump's chaotic characteristics with Kamala's clarity, authenticity, and strong ethical stance on key issues. Our hosts break down Jack Smith's recent indictment, which highlights a systematic attempt by Trump to overturn the 2020 election. The filing paints a clearer picture of Trump’s relentless pursuit to cling to power and his inability to grasp reality. The Doctors explain how Trump's insistent denial of his legitimate loss and the frantic attempts to stay in power are signs of a rapidly deteriorating cognitive state. John and Harry also discuss potential paths for the GOP, post-Trump, should Kamala Harris win the election. And you’ll hear an analysis on the socio-political impacts of Trump's dangerous rhetoric, and the social psychology of his rabid base. You won’t want to miss this session of Shrinking Trump, where we shed light on the long-term political implications as America heads into another crucial election period. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sep 27, 2024 • 2h 1min
Dementia is Not the Only Reason Donald Acts This Way
Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel dive into the alarming patterns behind Donald Trump’s increasingly apocalyptic language and what it signals about both his cognitive state and fascist inclinations. And special guest Laurie Winer, author of the upcoming book, "The Hitler Tour," connects Trump’s apocalyptic behavior with the strategies employed by figures like Hitler.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/We’ll discuss the reliability and limitations of traditional voter polls, and highlight more predictive metrics such as voter registration trends. Our hosts also contrast the energetic support for Kamala Harris with the waning enthusiasm for Trump, and reflect on Joe Biden’s epic UN speech.We also hear Lori’s first hand-experience of her family's division over Trump, showcasing how there are stark contrasts in interpretation and allegiance even within tight-knit communities. She tells us just how Trump’s use this language, not as a symptom of dementia, but as a calculated effort to sow chaos and maintain control. By understanding these patterns, we can better prepare to counteract the dangers they pose.Dr.’s Gartner and Siegel analyze Trump's reliance on superlatives and bombastic declarations, demonstrating how this extreme language is more than just a sign of cognitive decline: it fits well within the rhetorical framework of a fascist leader. As Lori explains, this kind of language not only divides and incites but also prepares the populace for real, impactful violence. We think you’ll really enjoy this session as we seek to better understand Trump’s patterns and prepare to counter the dangers they pose. Stay tuned for next week, as we have another very special episode planned for you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sep 20, 2024 • 1h 51min
Trump's Pet-Eating Claims Will Cost Him The Election
Arlie Russell Hochschild is a Professor Emerita of Sociology at Berkeley, renowned for her insights into socio-economic issues. In this discussion, she highlights Trump’s cognitive decline through alarming speech patterns. Hochschild also shares thoughts from her book on how structural shame fuels Trump’s base. The conversation dives into the absurdities of political rhetoric, exploring the ridiculous claims about pet consumption and the absurd 'Eat the Cat' trend. The guests analyze the broader implications of emotional politics and the impact of misinformation on communities, emphasizing the need for empathetic leadership.

Sep 13, 2024 • 2h 1min
Debate Edition: “They are Eating The Cats”
Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel discuss how Donald Trump’s cognitive decline and psychological weaknesses were on full display during Kamala’s dominating debate performance. Harris biographer Dan Morain joins the show to share his unique insights into the VP’s career, personal history, and the impact her immigrant parents had on shaping her story. You’ll also get an update on how the media and political elite, once ignorant of the dangers Trump posed, seems to have finally grown aware of Donald’s profound detachment from reality.Make sure you join us here on Patreon to support our work and gain access to exclusive perks: patreon.com/ReallyAmericanMediaOur site: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4Subscribe on Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trumpSubscribe on iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/We have a lot to unpack after this week’s historic debate performance by Kamala Harris and the Trump campaign’s ensuing meltdown. Our hosts analyze how Harris systematically dismantled Donald Trump on every front, showcasing her eloquence, grace under pressure, and a strong strategic understanding of her opponent's weaknesses. Our guest today is Dan Morain, a long-time journalist and author who has spent much of his career covering Kamala Harris. His book, Kamala's Way, gives an intimate look at the Vice President’s personal journey, and charts how the daughter of two immigrants in segregated California became one of this country’s most effective power players. Morain joins the show to help us understand how a determined mother and her immigrant heritage shaped Harris’s resilience, intelligence, and preparedness that have clearly paid off in the political arena today. Dan also shares some touching anecdotes about Kamala’s heartfelt humanity, and willingness to personally connect with people away from the cameras.Trump’s debate debacle is just another glaring piece of evidence of his cognitive decline. Our hosts will break down how Harris's debate strategy is a part of a broader, well-executed plan to exploit Donald’s vulnerabilities and expose his broken brain. An official campaign ad features Barack Obama’s critique of Trump’s obsession with crowd sizes, and George Conway’s success in goading Donald with targeted attack ads, proves just that.Dr. Gartner and Dr. Siegel will also dissect various parts of the debate and other recent Trump speeches to analyze the growing evidence of Trump’s deteriorating mental state. And we’ll wrap up with a reflection on the remarkable journey of Shrinking Trump so far.Thanks for joining us. Be sure to join us for next week’s session, as we embark on this pivotal moment in American history together. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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