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We’re done talking about the movies. Now let’s talk about the series.We have come to the end of our Horror Debuts series, exploring six films and one extra as our September 2021 Member Bonus Episode. All told, we looked at Messiah of Evil, Goodnight Mommy, A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night, The Babadook, The Lure, Saint Maud, and Relic. Each director (or pair of directors as the case may be) brings a unique vision to their story, and perhaps the fact that they chose the horror genre as the place to start their feature film career is telling as it allows for a lot of play. So what did we – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – think about not just the films but the series as a whole? How do these films stand up to other horror films of the past and of this last decade? Why these shifts in the types of horror films getting made? We dig in to horror films in general and these films specifically in our Horror Debuts Retake.Here’s a hint at what we talk about.How accurate were our original star ratings from when we had our initial conversations as compared to now? Pete found that Goodnight Mommy hasn’t held up over time and demoted it whereas Andy largely still connects with The Babadook the least. Relic tops both of our lists though. Horror films have evolved over the years and decades. It’s great seeing so many strong female voices rising in the ranks as directors over the last few decades. We would’ve liked to have had more woman-directed horror debuts on this list but found few before the turn of the century. Messiah of Evil is a fun one to include, but even that was co-directed (and still had Gloria Katz uncredited for her role in directing, likely because of DGA policies). But is there anything to the fact that these films have horror elements but aren’t straight-up horror films? Or that they’re incorporating metaphorical elements much more strongly than we’ve seen recently? Horror films have shifted each decade, so this tone definitely seems to fit the overall vibe of horror in the 2010s, but is any of that coming from the larger group of female directors?We finally rank all of the films on Flickchart. It’s becoming more and more clear to us that our middle block is throwing too many films we really like into the bottom half. Regardless, it’s an interesting order that mostly reflects our positions on the films, even if not 100% accurate. All in all, it was a thrilling series and a great addition to our 11th season. Next up – as a way to celebrate our tenth anniversary coming up on November 11th, we’re looking at 10 films that are also celebrating their Tenth Anniversaries! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesOriginal poster artworkRank the Movies on Flickchart:Messiah of EvilGoodnight MommyA Girl Walks Home Alone at NightThe BabadookThe LureSaint MaudRelicThe Series on LetterboxdListen to Each of the Episodes:Messiah of EvilGoodnight MommyA Girl Walks Home Alone at NightThe BabadookThe LureSaint MaudRelicThis is a member bonus episode.We'd love it if you became a member to support our show, but you’d love it because of everything you get. We have monthly member bonus episodes that only members can access. You also get monthly Flickchart re-ranking episodes, access to members-only Discord channels, and early releases for every episode. We have a special episode we release at the end of each series called Retake during which we break down our overall thoughts of the entire season. Plus, you get to vote on the movies we discuss in our members only episodes as well as the movie lists we discuss on the Saturday Matinée podcast! What can we say? It pays to be a member. Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.

“Meryl Streep is not in enough movies where she feeds on people with the mouth in her armpit.”Who rules the roost in this month’s Flickchart Re-Ranking? Pete or Andy?Pete and Andy are back for yet another cockfight, this time for our October Flickchart Re-Ranking for our wonderful members. Also, Andy challenges Pete to remember which series each movie was featured. Here’s a breakdown of the battles. Based on this list, what would you pick to win? And which one will win as we duke it out?Here's the list of our rankings in this month's Flickchart Re-Ranking episode.Inception vs. The FlySnatch. vs. MoonCity Zero (Zerograd) vs. The Illusionist (2006)Sophie’s Choice vs. TimeCrimesDr. Strangelove vs. Miller’s CrossingThe Book of Eli vs. The EmigrantsIl Postino (The Postman) vs. Force MajeureCompulsion vs. NetworkStar Trek V: The Final Frontier vs. The TownDefending Your Life vs. RabidFast Times at Ridgemont High vs. Day of the LocustCloverfield vs. The Philadelphia StoryDuck, You Sucker vs. IntactoBorn on the Fourth of July vs. 2001: A Space OdysseyLady Vengeance vs. Underworld: EvolutionInterstellar vs. The Man With Two BrainsRoma vs. Son of the BrideNational Lampoon’s Vacation vs. DetourDead Ringers vs. The Lonely GuyThe Illusionist (2006) vs. Letters From Iwo JimaSilver Streak vs. Sophie’s ChoiceThe Hurt Locker vs. Pennies From HeavenDrive vs. Alice Doesn’t Live Here AnymoreWe also look at our top 5 and bottom 5.Should we feel guilty about any of these or are we okay with where they are? What do you think?So much blood in our re-rankings this month. Wanna look at our entire chart? Just click here to visit our Flickchart page!

"We don’t need anyone else.”The release of Rose Glass’s 2019 film Saint Maud was cut short due to the pandemic. That being said, the film still garnered enough attention from festival play and the awards circuit to become a talking point in movie circles as the newest horror film worth seeing. Glass received a lot of the praise as a new director who clearly has a sense of vision and story with this, her debut feature. And the performances of both Morfydd Clark and Jennifer Ehle were discussed as true highlights. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we wrap up our Horror Debuts series with Glass’s 2019 film Saint Maud.We are a bit split on Saint Maud.Despite the fact that the trailer for this was selected for a Saturday Matinée episode in December 2019, Pete didn’t remember watching it so had no idea what to expect when he started this movie. When the story shifted at its midway point, that disappointed him. The story in that first half engaged him so strongly that he was never able to really connect with the film after that point. Andy, on the other hand, remembered the trailer. While he didn’t feel the trailer changed his opinion of the film, he was able to move along with the shift in the story.So does that matter? Or does it end up becoming a point in the story where you just have to go along with the shift? Some people seem to be able to go along with that better than others but there certainly is a contingent of people online who seemed to connect more to the first half of the story.Despite our split, there's a lot to love about Saint Maud.Outside of that, though, Glass has a sense of story clearly. We both firmly connected with Maud’s journey, particularly as it relates to her time with Amanda. Both Clark and Ehle are perfect in their parts. The exploration of obsession, possession, and mental breakdowns are handled well.Glass crafted a difficult but affecting journey with Maud. We discuss the way she works through Maud’s descent into madness and religious fervor. Maud's self harm comes up. Maud also uses sex as a tool when she is trying to get out of her personal nadir before reconnecting with God.Then there’s the conversation with Joy. If Joy had agreed to hang out, would all of this have gone away? Or would it have gotten there eventually? It’s hard to say but interesting to think about.It’s a powerful film that didn’t affect us equally but is still a strong one worth looking at. So check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel! Learn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Film SundriesFind out where you can watch this at JustWatchTheatrical trailerPoster artworkFlickchartLetterboxd Support The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible

“To me, you’ll always be a fish, an animal.”There is clearly a coming of age story in Agnieszka Smoczynksa’s 2015 film The Lure, which is also a horror and a musical. And it’s likely that genre mashup that made it difficult for people to connect to the movie and why it did poorly at the box office. Smoczynska created a strong vision for her first film, though. Because of that, the film’s cult following is already growing not to mention people taking it seriously because of its placement in Criterion’s lineup of releases.Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – for the fifth film in our Horror Debuts series as we join the dance party in Smoczynska’s 2015 film The Lure.The Lure is pretty bonkers, but at a level that works well for both of us.While the genre mashup may be difficult for some people to click with, it worked for us. Well, to that end, Andy feels more comfortable calling it a dark fairytale musical rather than a horror film. No matter how you slice it, though, it’s a fascinating film that metaphorically explores female coming-of-age and sexuality through a fairytale lens. There is a strong current of Hans Christian Anderson’s “The Little Mermaid” running through this film. The filmmakers have also imbued the mermaids with the darker elements from Homer’s “The Odyssey.”Using horror films like The Lure to explore metaphorical issuesWe’ve talked about horror as metaphor in both The Babadook and Relic. Horror has often been a way for storytellers to deal with issues in metaphorical ways. There’s something strong in this recent run of films we’ve discussed, though, that seems to make the metaphors very visual. It’s a wonderful genre to explore ideas like these. We love how recent filmmakers are pushing their stories forward so deliberately. Plus, they all have strong visual design and story structure that makes these films stand out. The Lure does have its share of story issues, particularly as it builds toward the climax in the third act, but the world is so unique and engaging that it’s easy to give it more of a pass.But why does The Lure need to be in the 80s? Is it just because that’s when the director, writer, and musicians upon which the story is very loosely based spent their childhood? Do the metaphors work when trying to explore what they’re saying about Communist Poland in the 80s? On top of that, we also have a metaphor for immigrants moving to foreign lands to make better lives for themselves only to get trapped in the sex industry. So when is it too much?Regardless, we still really enjoy The Lure. The performances are great, particularly from the three actresses playing the two mermaids and their mother figure in the band. We have a lot to talk about with this one so check the film out and tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Amazon, or find other places at JustWatchScript TranscriptOriginal theatrical trailerOriginal poster artworkFlickchartLetterboxd Support The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible

"It’s here. Under the bed.”Relic delivers on the haunted house tropes.There’s a tone and mood that often permeates horror films that give you a constant sense of dread and terror. Sometimes, it’s broken up with laughs or jump scares, but that’s clearly not what director/co-writer Natalie Erika James is looking for. Her debut film Relic generates this sense of dread and terror but maintains it throughout in a quiet way that for some keeps them on the edges of their seats but for others leaves them feeling bored. Which are we? Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we add to our Horror Debuts series this member bonus episode, James’ 2020 film Relic.Relic is a quiet but moody metaphorical horror film.There are shadowy spirits lurking in the corners of Edna’s house, but are they really there? The way James constructs the film creates wonderful tension as we just catch glimpses of something in the shadows. It’s really a blink-and-you-miss-it type of treat because they’re not highlighted by musical stings that hit you over the head. We love the way she builds tension through these techniques, and how she uses her location to great effect.The cast is wonderful as well. Emily Mortimer, Robyn Nevin and Bella Heathcote play the three generations of this family and as the story progresses, we are right there with mother and daughter as they try to sort out what’s wrong with Gram. Their performances become more affecting as the story reveals itself to be about the family struggle with Alzheimer’s. It’s a powerful metaphor handled well and works because of the power in the three lead performances.Relic is a quiet horror film but one that works exceptionally well for us. It’s likely not for everyone, particularly people who are looking for those jump scares in their horror, but we had a great time watching it and talking about it. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatchTheatrical trailerPoster artworkFlickchartLetterboxdGet your Relic T-Shirt!

"I promise to protect you if you promise to protect me.”What is it about Jennifer Kent’s film The Babadook that draws so many people in?Before writer/director Jennifer Kent made her debut feature film The Babadook, she made a short film called Monster which bears a lot of similarities with her feature. What it doesn’t have is the metaphorical element that the feature carries, but it’s got a mom, her son, and a monster living in the closet. In some ways, the streamlined short story works better because it’s just a straightforward story. The feature film is hard to separate from its existence as a metaphor as grief. Still, countless people have found a connection with it.Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our Horror Debuts series with Kent’s first film, 2014’s The Babadook.Here’s a hint at what we talk about in our conversation about The Babadook.Does the fact that the Babadook is so obviously a metaphor for the mother character’s grief after losing her husband in a car wreck make the film less interesting? Or perhaps that’s its strength and why so many people connect with it. Either way, the film seems to have garnered many fans who love it and just as many who find it too obvious as to what Kent is saying. (Oddly, when Andy first saw the film, he completely ignored any readings of the film and watched it only for what it was, and seeing it that way didn’t work that well for him.) What it does do, however, is allow for interesting conversations about grief after watching it, so perhaps it’s a win no matter how you see it.But assuming you get past the grief metaphor, what about the way the mother and child are written? It’s a difficult duo to connect with because we’re asked to join Amelia seven years after she’s lost her husband and she’s a mess. She also isn’t a great parent – Samuel, who’s about to turn seven – is aggressive, violent, and uncontrollable. He often seems like he’s more in charge than she is. But is that a bad thing if they’re written this way and we can’t connect? Or does it force us to find a way to sympathize with them? (No matter how you slice it, though, six-year-old Noah Wiseman delivers as strong a child performance in a horror film as Danny Pintauro did in Cujo.)These two elements seem to largely be the things that keep audiences from really connecting with The Babadook. If you can get into the metaphor and if you can connect with the characters, you’ll likely love this ride. If you can’t truck with one or both of these, however, you may struggle a bit more with the film.And that’s where we sit.That’s not to say we didn’t like The Babadook.Kent clearly has a handle on her directing style. The Babadook looks great. She uses creative transitions. We feel completely in this world and it works well. The character design of Mister Babadook, done with practical effects and patterned in part after Lon Chaney in London After Midnight, is terrifying. And honestly, there may be elements that we each struggle with but we still find it an effective ride.So to that end, should we count this as a win? We think so. It’s a strong first film and clearly shows her vision as a storyteller. Plus, it allows for an exciting conversation. We have a great time digging into this one, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatchScript Draft 6.3 by Jennifer KentTrailerPoster artworkFlickchartLetterboxdJennifer Kent’s short film Monster Support The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible

A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night is a unique take on the vampire mythos.Ana Lily Amirpour had written a dozen screenplays but wasn’t getting any traction with getting them made. That’s when she had the idea for her Iranian vampire story. The script came easily and was something she could make in the small town of Taft CA on an ultra-low budget. Watching the film, though, Amirpour clearly had a vision and was able to bring it to screen. The film is hypnotic, dark, full of mood, and surprisingly romantic. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our Horror Debuts series with Amirpour’s 2014 film A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night.They don’t say much in Amirpour’s film, but we have a lot to say about it.It’s an interesting film in its simplicity and pacing. Combing through reviews, it seems a good number of people find issue in the slow pace and long takes. Even Pete initially reacted this way. But this film has a way of sticking with you. Both of us found the film to be one that lingers, and in the end, we both ended up big fans of Amirpour’s vampire story. Is it the fact that it’s horror-lite? Or perhaps that we connected with the romance, which Amirpour herself talks about as being like in a John Hughes film? Regardless, it’s a bit hypnotic spending time in this film and one we’d return to readily.The black-and-white cinematography by Lyle Vincent paired with Amirpour’s story as well as the soundtrack fully immerse us in this town of Bad City. It helps that Sheila Vand plays such a compelling vampire, stalking the streets in her chador and on her skateboard. And we’re intrigued by the larger messages Amirpour puts forth in the film, even if she’s not overtly trying to make comments on these things.Things like the oppression of women in Iran and other Middle Eastern countries. Addiction. Social isolation. Depression. Social status. Even the way we drain the land of its oil like vampires on the Earth is emphasized over and over again with the shots of the oil pumpjacks moving up and down. But it’s not a message movie. Amirpour includes those elements as themes to look at and think about, but we think she’s really focused on the love story and these two lost souls trying to find a connection in a dark town.A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night is really a love story.That connection between Arash, played by Arash Marandi, and Vand’s vampire (called simply The Girl) is the beating heart in this dark, cold movie. The scenes the two of them have together – at the street light, in her place, and at the power plant – create strong moments that are some of the more unforgettable moments in cinema.We found a strong connection to this film. It’s one we’ll likely jump back into sooner rather than later to reconnect with Arash and The Girl. We have a great conversation about Amirpour’s film A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night. Check it out and tune in to this week’s show. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatchScript TranscriptTheatrical trailerPoster artworkFlickchartLetterboxd Support The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible

Two Directors With a Shared Voice for HorrorDirecting duos are rare, but it may be a completely unique situation to have a directing duo be an aunt/nephew pair. That’s the case with Veronika Franz and Severin Fiala, the writers/directors of Goodnight Mommy. When they realized they shared a love for horror films, this duo decided to pursue it and to date have three horror features under their belt. They certainly found a strength in their tone and style, which was clear right out of the gate with their narrative debut.Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our Horror Debuts series with Franz’s and Fiala’s 2014 film Goodnight Mommy.From the tone to the story, we have a lot to say about Goodnight Mommy.Goodnight Mommy is an exercise in cinematography that evokes mood. From the framing to the lighting, Franz and Fiala, along with cinematographer Martin Gschlacht, use the camera to set a tone of horror and discomfort right from the start. Even when the two twin boys, Elias and Lukas, adventure through the woods, they capture it with an aura of tension. Nothing feels safe. We love brilliant cinematography and that holds true here. (This was something that worked well for Steve and Ray in their conversation about Franz's and Fiala's The Lodge, which they talked about here on Trailer Rewind.)But how does the story hold up? It’s one of those films with a big surprise. We both picked up on it right away. Does that ruin the film? Or perhaps leave it feeling plodding? We come at that from two perspectives and in the end think it works either way. The question still remains if the film just becomes boring afterward.The performances are top notch both from the twins, played by Lukas and Elias Schwarz, and from Susanne Wuest playing their mother. It says a lot about the directors what they were able to get from these kids. It also says a lot about Wuest who has to act for half the film with her head wrapped up in bandages. Even when the story feels a bit incredulous, their performances work brilliantly.Do we buy the story?But speaking to the story feeling incredulous, particularly as it builds toward its conclusion, how much do we care that it’s not as believable? Or does it ruin the film when we never see the mother call the father to discuss the children? Or doesn’t put them in grief counseling? Are we able to look past those issues and just assume Mommy is making some dumb decisions that pushes things a certain way? (Even though we spoil the film thoroughly in our conversation, we’re trying not to spoil it here.) Where is the line in the decisions that get made that’s too far?And speaking of ‘too far,’ what is up with those Red Cross workers? Is there something we don’t know about Austrian customs as far as unlocked doors? Because these two Red Cross workers looking for donations who swing by to ask for money then just won’t leave after the child says Mom’s not home definitely cross the line for us. It’s a great tense scene, but it’s nonsense because it’s only here to serve the plot – not the reality of the story. But can we keep it anyway?The concept of coping mechanisms to deal with grief play strongly in this film. We like how they tie to the concept of lullabies as a way to sooth children. This film largely works, even with some of its less believable elements, because this theme holds strong and creates a frightening portrait of unmanaged grief at the worst of possible moments that leads to devastating consequences. The film is certainly one to watch.It has its problems, but is immensely watchable.There are enough issues we find with the story that we’d be hard-pressed to give this film five stars. Still, it’s a fun watch – and beautiful to look at for a horror film. We have a great time talking about it on the show this week. This is definitely an episode to listen to after you’ve seen the movie, so check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Amazon or find other places at JustWatchScript TranscriptOriginal theatrical trailerOriginal poster artworkFlickchartLetterboxd Support The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible

"We’re never going to leave this place, are we?”While Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck were writing the script for American Graffiti for their USC chum George Lucas, they were working on a low budget horror film that they would produce, write, and direct together. This film was Messiah of Evil and, unfortunately for them, was taken away by the producers before they could finish filming. The producers hastily cut the project together and released a version in 1973, hoping it would make its money back. Because of that, Katz and Huyck largely dismissed the film for decades. It wasn’t until its 35th anniversary when it was restored that they seemed to recognize the film was peculiar but had its fans and its strengths.Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we kick off our ‘Horror Debut’ series with Katz’s and Huyck’s 1973 horror film Messiah of Evil.What works in Messiah of Evil and what doesn’t?Katz’s and Huyck’s film is a bit of a mess when you look at the story, but is that what you’re meant to take away from it? Perhaps if Katz and Huyck had been able to finish it their way. Then again, who knows? They did make Howard the Duck. So we have to look at the film as what we have here. And honestly, the story may not be that strong, but a horror tone poem certainly is. It’s a tremendous creation in mood and tone.That can be a bit of a struggle, though. It’s certainly more of a struggle for Pete who felt like he’d been set up for more slasher killings as we get in the start of the film before it shifts into less overt, bloody killings. But the mood is there and it gets under Andy’s skin. He feels it’s enough and thinks the film is excelling at creating a vibe that’s hard to shake.The colors, scene construction, lighting, editing, music, production design and effects all lend tremendously to this mood. Again, is that enough? Regardless, how great is it seeing so many film artists in these roles that would go on to contribute so strongly to the industry.We try tackling the story to see if we can sort out what we’re meant to get from it. Because the story is more vague and ill-defined, it’s tricky. There’s a lot of guesswork in here on our parts. We think we have it sorted out, but again, this speaks to the problems with the story as it was constructed for this finished film.The artfulness with the visuals really speaks to us though. From the first out of focus shot of Arletty in the hallway as she walks toward camera and eventually into focus, we’re hooked. From creepy zombie people’s silhouettes on the skylight to the crazy paintings on Arletty’s dad’s studio, to the killing in the movie theatre, the images are designed to terrify.And speaking of that movie theatre scene, that’s likely the strongest horror scene in the film. It builds the tension well and becomes truly terrifying. The grocery store is great too, but doesn’t work quite as well as this. And it leaves the question – if these townspeople are mindless zombies eating whatever meat they can find, why does the albino leave her alone when he picks her up hitchhiking? Is it because he’s full from eating rats? Or has the sickness not quite completely infected him? These are those story points that can be frustrating.Regardless, it’s a great film selection to kick off our Horror Debuts series. It gives us a chance to talk about Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck, which is particularly touching having lost her in 2018 to ovarian cancer. We have a great conversation about this film so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Amazon, or find other places at JustWatchOriginal theatrical trailerOriginal poster artworkFlickchartLetterboxdGet your Blood Moon Centennial Celebration t-shirt! Support The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible

"So you’re the one that’s been kicking me.”How Does Heckerling’s Biggest Hit Hold Up 30+ Years Later?It’s funny looking back on writer/director Amy Heckerling’s 1989 romantic comedy Look Who’s Talking now and thinking that studios thought it was too sexual for the genre or that women couldn’t carry a comedy like this. Heckerling has said that she had to pitch the film as a talking baby voiced by a hot male comic because of that fact. Remembering that it was the 80s perhaps is all the reminder we need as to why she struggled to find a studio for the film. But the president of Tri-Star saw Heckerling’s ‘quirky, offbeat sense’ and greenlit the film. Lucky for all of them, it was a huge hit that led to a very successful franchise. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we wrap up our ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling’ series with Heckerling’s 1989 romantic comedy Look Who’s Talking.Mikey’s not the only one talking. We’ve clearly got a few things to say about Look Who’s Talking.What about the movie makes it feel dated? There are definitely some derogatory comments that people just wouldn’t say today, but there’s more to it than that. Is it how Kirstie Alley’s Molly tells everyone that she was artificially inseminated instead of coming clean about accidentally getting pregnant? Should she have had more agency and just admitted that she accidentally got pregnant? Does that feel dated, or is that relevant still today? Maybe it’s that people were so surprised by a working, single woman deciding to raise a child on her own. Between this and Baby Boom it was definitely a topic at the time. We bat around a few ideas but never quite agree on why some of the elements feel dated.One thing that certainly doesn’t feel dated is the relationship between Molly and John Travolta’s James. They’re a delightful pair and we love the chemistry they clearly have on screen. The movie also doesn’t feel like it has to rush with their relationship. In the realm of romantic comedies, this works well.Pete really struggles with the talking baby conceit though. Why is it in here? It’s a fun element that, when paired with Molly’s fantastical dreams and visions throughout the film, lend the movie a sense of fantasy that we don’t often see in romantic comedies. We like that they’re doing something different with the genre here. But Bruce Willis as the baby? Pete never can quite come to terms with it, whereas Andy doesn’t find any problems with it. We think largely it’s one of those things you either can buy into or can’t when you sit down to watch the film.But what about Heckerling’s script? Do we like Molly’s and James’ meet-cute in the taxi cab? It has its issues, largely centered around the silly race through the city to get Molly to the hospital in time. What about the way Heckerling comes up with to keep James in Molly’s life after that initial meeting? This is a potential problem for some because of the way he lies to use her mailbox for grandpa’s residency, but they both handle the element realistically and because of that, we buy into it.But speaking of grandpa, it’s a toothless Abe Vigoda! This is an interesting part of the script because it gives us the conclusion of the film, and to that end actually delivers on something we buy into.What we have a harder time buying into is the way James sabotages one of Molly’s dates. Why? The date is clearly a schlub and she won’t end up with him. Does he do it just for fun? We’re not really sure.One thing we are sure of is how great Heckerling is at putting amazing soundtracks together. The music in this film is eminently listenable.Something that may not hold up as well as the music selections – the kinda creepy fetus puppet we see before Mikey’s born. It’s kinda fun but those eyes... yeah... just a bit creepy...What was it about this film that drew so many people in at the time? It was successful enough for them to greenlight two sequels and a TV show. Our recollection of the subsequent films is thin but it’s hard to get people to realize just how massively this film was at the time.We have a great time talking about this film, which may be our least favorite in this series thus far but was still an entertaining watch and a welcome entry into the show. Check it out then tune in to hear all of these thoughts and more. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!Join the conversation with movie lovers from around the world on The Next Reel’s Discord channel!Film SundriesLearn more about supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast through your own membership — visit TruStory FM.Watch this on Apple or Amazon, or find other places at JustWatchScript TranscriptOriginal theatrical trailerOriginal poster artworkFlickchartLetterboxdGet your Ubriacco Flight School t-shirt inspired by the movie! It also comes as a light t-shirt! 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