Design Development

Rens Hayes
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Oct 13, 2026 • 57min

200: Finding the Opportunity Inside Your Business with 2x Founder Matt Pierce, PIERCE Property Services

What if the most valuable thing a window cleaner brings down from the side of a building isn’t clean glass — but information?Matt Pierce started his career pounding the pavement, walking into restaurants, car dealerships, and storefronts selling recurring window cleaning. Today, he leads PIERCE Property Services, a roughly 120-person company providing maintenance, waterproofing, restoration, roofing, and broader building-envelope services.The leap between those two businesses wasn’t part of some perfectly executed strategic plan.It started with listening.A crew member once pointed out that if they were already standing on the ladder cleaning windows, they only had to climb a couple more steps to clean the gutters.That simple observation became a much bigger philosophy:If the customer already trusts you with one problem, what other problems are you uniquely positioned to solve?Eventually, Matt recognized an even larger opportunity. His crews weren't simply servicing buildings. They were repeatedly seeing parts of the asset that owners, property managers, and even consultants rarely see.So PIERCE began documenting what they found.That eventually became LIFECYCLE360 — technology designed to capture, locate, and track building-envelope conditions so owners can better understand what is happening to their assets and plan maintenance and capital expenditures before small problems become major restoration projects.Today, Matt says the company has captured roughly 250,000 images that are helping power the next AI-backed iteration of the platform.And he isn’t stopping there.Matt also launched Building Envelope Group, exploring whether the systems, technology, training, and operating model developed at PIERCE can help established contractors in other markets evolve their businesses — without requiring those owners to sell to private equity or abandon the brands they've spent decades building.In this episode, Matt and Rens dig into:How storefront window cleaning became the foundation for a building-envelope company.The employee observation that helped reshape how Matt thought about expanding services.Why recurring maintenance creates an unusually valuable relationship with building owners.The original problem that led PIERCE to develop LIFECYCLE360.How 250,000+ field images are being used to build its next AI-backed iteration.Why deferred maintenance can become dramatically more expensive as buildings age.Matt's philosophy of “listening to the whispers of the business.”Why his strength as a delegator can also become a weakness.Using data to separate great-looking opportunities from businesses that actually produce healthy margins.Why Matt created Building Envelope Group instead of simply planting PIERCE offices across the country.The tension between private-equity consolidation and independent, family-owned contractors.How Matt thinks about growth after surpassing milestones he once thought might never be possible.The role faith, family, reflection, and intentionality play in keeping ambition from consuming everything else.Why Matt says he wants to “fight for these days” while his kids are still at home.The business lesson underneath the episode is bigger than building envelopes:Pay attention to the advantages hiding inside the business you already have.Sometimes the next business isn't a completely new idea.It's sitting two steps higher on the ladder.Thanks for being part of the Design Development community.New episodes drop every Wednesday, featuring leaders across real estate, design, and construction.The goal is simple: learn from how great people think, lead, make decisions, navigate setbacks, and create opportunity.There is no single path to success.Careers are not linear.The lessons are in the story.Subscribe so you don’t miss the next conversation.Follow us on LinkedIn, Instagram & YouTubeFind out more at https://h-o.engineering/podcasts/Let’s go.
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Oct 7, 2026 • 1h 42min

199: How to Engineer Business Value: Scaling Smart, Hiring Right, and Creating Freedom with Rens Hayes IV (Guest Episode)

Most business owners go through a pivotal moment—their first real look behind the curtain at how buyers value companies. For Rens Hayes, that moment came when he went through a sale and due diligence process for his father’s structural steel business. What he learned from that experience completely changed how he approached building and scaling his own company, H&O Structural Engineering.In this episode of Independence by Design™, Rens and host, Ryan Tansom, break down how he engineered his business for value creation, using Ken Sanginario’s Engineer’s Value Opportunity Profile (VOP) as his roadmap. Instead of scaling haphazardly, Rens built his company by systematically improving the eight functional areas that drive business valuation—the same areas buyers care about most.  Rens and his partner have taken a deliberate approach to aligning cash flow, valuation timelines, and growth goals, ensuring that every dollar reinvested moves them closer to financial independence. Whether you are preparing for an eventual exit or simply want to build a business that works for you instead of the other way around, this conversation is packed with insights that will change the way you think about scaling, hiring executives, and managing risk.Rens Hayes is a structural engineer and entrepreneur who transformed H&O Structural Engineering by applying enterprise value principles to modernize the traditional engineering industry. After experiencing due diligence firsthand, he shifted from operator to owner mindset, implementing Ken Sanginario's Value Opportunity Profile to align business growth with long-term value creation. Hayes helps real estate developers maximize returns through strategic design and cost-efficient engineering, while sharing insights on scaling, capital allocation, and executive hiring—expertise valuable for business owners seeking to build wealth-generating enterprises rather than just larger companies.Resources:Website: H&O Structural Engineering LinkedIn: Rens Hayes Podcast: The H&O Podcast Sound Bites: "Scaling a business isn’t just about revenue—it’s about building an asset buyers actually want." – Rens Hayes "The biggest mistake founders make? Hiring executives before they know what success looks like." – Ryan Tansom "If you don’t know how to allocate capital inside your own business, you’re just hoping for growth—not engineering it." – Rens Hayes "There’s a difference between working in the business and working on the business. The sooner you figure that out, the sooner you get your time back." – Ryan Tansom Thanks for being part of the Design Development community.New episodes drop every Wednesday, featuring leaders across real estate, design, and construction.The goal is simple: learn from how great people think, lead, make decisions, navigate setbacks, and create opportunity.There is no single path to success.Careers are not linear.The lessons are in the story.Subscribe so you don’t miss the next conversation.Follow us on LinkedIn, Instagram & YouTubeFind out more at https://h-o.engineering/podcasts/Let’s go.
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Sep 23, 2026 • 43min

198: Building Smarter: Construction, Cost & Growth with Jon Weiss, B2K Development

Jon Weiss, a fourth-generation builder and B2K Development leader, shares how family roots shaped his career and how B2K unlocked Long Beach’s long-stalled Superblock. They explore local approvals, housing shortages, construction costs, early preconstruction, community buy-in, and B2K’s expansion into Connecticut, New Jersey, and South Florida.
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Sep 16, 2026 • 37min

197: The Judgment Behind Great Real Estate Deals with Patrick Carino, VP Development @ NRP Group, Founder @ DealNav

Patrick Carino, VP of Development at The NRP Group and founder of DealNav, brings experience from over $1 billion in CBRE transactions. He explores why capitalization can be tougher than finding deals, how institutional committees differ from family offices, and why relationships and judgment still matter. Patrick also recounts walking away from a flawed Westchester project and explains how specialization helps NRP scale.
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Sep 9, 2026 • 55min

196: Aligning Design, Cost, and Business Strategy with Rens Hayes IV

Rens Hayes IV, co-founder of H+O Structural Engineering and a certified value growth advisor, discusses aligning structural design with business strategy. Topics include the H+O Cost Index, proprietary data, hidden construction savings, open-book management, and adaptable design. He also explores Revit automation, buildable digital models, AI-powered site planning, and the future of risk-sharing in construction.
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Sep 2, 2026 • 41min

195: Rethinking Multifamily Design with Ben Kasdan, Principal @ KTGY

Ben Kasdan, a KTGY principal with 20+ years in multifamily and mixed-use design, explores what makes housing work today. They discuss the end of the amenities arms race, smarter coworking and pet spaces, efficiency benchmarks, pools, in-unit laundry, and the hidden complexity of office-to-residential conversions. Kasdan also shares how KTGY’s R&D studio tests ideas before they reach real projects.
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Aug 26, 2026 • 17min

194: 10 Actionable Steps to Skyrocket Your Career as a Young Professional

Practical career moves for young professionals in real estate, design, and construction. Short mindset shifts like treating your role as a one-person business and owning accountability. Concrete tactics such as solving before asking, getting complete information, and planning one-to-three-year goals. Tips on investing in yourself and using compound growth to accelerate progress.
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Aug 19, 2026 • 25min

193: Breaking Career Plateaus

Rens Hayes is the passionate and insightful host of "Design Development." With a wealth of experience in architecture and engineering, Rens has dedicated his career to advancing professional growth within the industry. He leverages his podcast platform to share invaluable lessons, engaging discussions, and expert advice to help individuals overcome career plateaus and achieve their professional aspirations.Episode Summary:In this episode of "Design Development," host Rens delves into the crucial topic of breaking through career plateaus. The episode aims to challenge conventional career-growth mindsets and provide tangible strategies to advance professionally.In a thought-provoking segment, Rens emphasizes the importance of judgment over time, referencing Naval Ravikant's insights from "The Almanac of Naval Ravikant." He draws analogies to illustrate how individuals can maximize their value by enhancing judgment and credibility. Rens also underscores the significance of refining weaker areas instead of focusing solely on already strong skills, thereby fostering continuous personal and professional development.Key Takeaways:Judgment Over Time: Leveraging superior judgment can significantly amplify one's professional value, especially in decision-making roles.Holistic Skill Development: Professionals should focus on improving weaker areas to become more valuable team members and leaders.Effective Communication: Managing every interaction, whether with clients or colleagues, can create compounding positive effects on one's career.Transitioning to Management: New managers must reframe their understanding of success, focusing on team development and strategic alignment with company goals.Embrace Lifelong Learning: Continuous learning and adapting to new perspectives can prevent career stagnation and promote growth.Notable Quotes:"In an age of leverage, judgment is far more valuable than time." - Naval Ravikant "If we only play to our strengths, we might never overcome our weaknesses." - Adam Grant"Every single conversation is an opportunity to leave a positive impression." - Rens Hayes"Success as a manager looks different from success as a doer; it's about developing your team and aligning with strategic objectives." - Rens Hayes"Lifelong learning involves challenging what we believe to be true and thinking differently to solve problems." - Rens HayesResources:Naval Ravikant's "The Almanac of Naval Ravikant"Adam Grant's "Think Again"Thanks for being part of the Design Development community.New episodes drop every Wednesday, featuring leaders across real estate, design, and construction.The goal is simple: learn from how great people think, lead, make decisions, navigate setbacks, and create opportunity.There is no single path to success.Careers are not linear.The lessons are in the story.Subscribe so you don’t miss the next conversation.Follow us on LinkedIn, Instagram & YouTubeFind out more at https://h-o.engineering/podcasts/Let’s go.
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Aug 12, 2026 • 50min

192: From Hard Bid to $450 Million: Dave Fontaine Jr., CEO of Fontaine Bros., on Reinventing the Family Business

In 1933, two teenage immigrant brothers signed over their house to buy $12,000 worth of lumber and bet everything on a single job. Ninety years later, their great-grandson runs the $450 million construction firm they built.Dave Fontaine Jr. is the fourth generation to lead Fontaine Brothers, and he joins Rens to unpack the question every multi-generation business eventually has to answer: how do you modernize without losing the culture that got you here?They trace Fontaine's shift from a hard-bid contractor to a CM-at-risk powerhouse — a move that required building a whole new sales and pre-construction engine, and surviving 30-plus losing pitches before the first win. That reinvention helped take the company from $65 million to $450 million in revenue, without ever chasing growth as a target. Dave also gets into how Fontaine balances public and private work, why saying no to projects is one of the hardest calls a leader makes, where AI is actually moving the needle in construction, and why the soft skills — picking up the phone, being straight with people — only get more valuable as the technology improves.Listen now to hear how one of New England's oldest construction firms is building for its next hundred years.Thanks for being part of the Design Development community.New episodes drop every Wednesday, featuring leaders across real estate, design, and construction.The goal is simple: learn from how great people think, lead, make decisions, navigate setbacks, and create opportunity.There is no single path to success.Careers are not linear.The lessons are in the story.Subscribe so you don’t miss the next conversation.Follow us on LinkedIn, Instagram & YouTubeFind out more at https://h-o.engineering/podcasts/Let’s go.
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Aug 5, 2026 • 47min

191: A. Brooks Fischer, AIA, President and CEO of Newman Architects

A. Brooks Fischer unlocks the key to managing a team of architects - and gives sound advice for future leaders in the field. For more than 60 years, Newman Architects has built a respected practice, a strong portfolio, and lasting client relationships.As the firm entered its third generation of leadership, President and CEO A. Brooks Fischer saw an opportunity to build on that foundation by creating a clearer structure for decision-making, leadership development, and long-term growth.This week on Design Development, Brooks joins Rens to share how Newman evolved from a founder-led practice into an organization shaped by defined responsibilities, delegated authority, and shared strategic direction.That evolution includes quarterly leadership accountability, proactive staffing, and financial metrics designed to balance profitability, workload, and team well-being. Brooks explains why Newman gives emerging leaders meaningful responsibility early and rewards initiative, ambition, and results rather than relying solely on tenure.Looking ahead, Newman is creating opportunities for its next generation of leaders while pursuing selective acquisitions to expand its expertise, strengthen its market position, and support continued growth. Both efforts reflect a firm building thoughtfully on more than six decades of success—honoring the foundation behind its reputation while developing the structure, leadership, and capabilities required for what comes next. Thanks for being part of the Design Development community.New episodes drop every Wednesday, featuring leaders across real estate, design, and construction.The goal is simple: learn from how great people think, lead, make decisions, navigate setbacks, and create opportunity.There is no single path to success.Careers are not linear.The lessons are in the story.Subscribe so you don’t miss the next conversation.Follow us on LinkedIn, Instagram & YouTubeFind out more at https://h-o.engineering/podcasts/Let’s go.

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