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Integral Life
A podcast about life, the universe, and everything, Everyone Is Right delivers cutting-edge perspectives and practices to help you thrive in a rapidly changing world. Because no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time.
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Mar 27, 2025 • 1h 37min
A Grand Strategy for the Transformation Age
In this powerful second installment of Big Picture Mind, Robb Smith presents a sweeping yet grounded vision for the future of the integrative worldview — one that meets the historic demands of our moment and invites each of us into a shared project of planetary coherence.
We are living amidst a multi-system breakdown: geopolitical instability, techno-economic upheaval, ecological overshoot, a crisis of meaning, and the disintegration of shared epistemic ground. In the face of this metacrisis, Robb argues that a new era is dawning — the Transformation Age — and with it, the emergence of a post-postmodern, integrative worldview capable of offering wholeness, meaning, and emancipatory power.
But this worldview, while rich in insight and spiritual depth, remains fragmented, fringe, and institutionally underdeveloped. In this episode, Robb outlines a bold grand strategy to help the integrative movement grow into its world-historical responsibility. Drawing on insights from sociology, systems theory, and metatheory, he offers a call to action: it's time for a stage-three reintegration — a shift from the pluralistic differentiation of the last decade to a more coherent and collaborative movement, organized through a network-based logic.
You’ll hear Robb introduce:
- The 7 strategic vectors of the integrative movement’s evolution — including storytelling, tool-building, attention economics, and network coherence
- The need to shift from isolated genius and fragmented silos into a self-organizing worldview network
- Why leadership is our scarcest resource — and what kinds of leadership we now require
- A systems-level understanding of how civilizational reorganization occurs through worldview emergence
- The beginnings of a global collaboration protocol designed to align the many “nodes” of the meta-movement into shared strategic action
Joined by voices across the integrative landscape, this conversation moves beyond theory into praxis, exploring how integrative ideas can be translated into real-world transformation — in culture, politics, education, governance, and beyond.
Whether you're a long-time integral practitioner, a nodal leader in the liminal web, or someone newly drawn to the integrative vision, this episode invites you into a conversation about how we might truly rise to meet the transformation age — together.

Mar 13, 2025 • 1h 17min
Integral Edge: Men, Meaning, and the Rise of the New Right
From cultural confusion to political shifts, men today are caught in the crossfire of conflicting expectations. Are they supposed to be strong and assertive or soft and sensitive? Should they embrace traditional masculinity or rewrite the script entirely? And why are so many turning to right wing politics for answers?
In this provocative first episode of The Integral Edge, Keith Martin-Smith sits down with Jason Lange and Raymond Fismer to break down what’s really happening to men in the modern world. They explore why so many are feeling lost, how social, cultural, and economic changes have reshaped masculinity, and what a truly evolved man looks like in today’s world.
🔥 Are men being asked to hold an impossible polarity?
🔥 Is the rise of “strongman” leaders a reaction to cultural instability?
🔥 And what’s the real alternative to outdated masculinity?
This isn’t just another surface-level discussion — this is an integral look at the deeper forces shaping modern manhood. Buckle up.

Feb 6, 2025 • 1h 51min
IAM Spotlight: The Cultural Complexity Index
How do we measure the depth of human meaning-making across history, traditions, and intellectual paradigms? In this fascinating presentation, Brendan Graham Dempsey introduces his Cultural Complexity Index (CCI) initiative, a pioneering research project that empirically maps how humans structure knowledge, solve problems, and make sense of their world.
Utilizing the Lectical Scale, a highly refined framework for measuring hierarchical complexity, the project analyzes sacred and significant texts from different historical periods. Its early findings suggest fascinating correlations between social complexity and the evolution of meaning-making, while also challenging some common assumptions about cognitive development in different historical eras.
What do we mean by “culture”? While integral theory typically enacts “culture” as representing our collective interiors (LL), the CCI investigates a broader dimension — the complexity of symbolic information processing as a whole. Brendan’s use of the term aligns closely with Gregg Henriques’ description of “culture” as representing the human noosphere in general, the sphere of knowledge, symbolic representation, and individual sense-making, rather than the Lower-Left (LL) quadrant of Integral Theory, which focuses on relational, intersubjective, and cultural meaning-making. While the two are connected and often isomorphic with each other, they require distinct methodologies to be properly analyzed.
This is important because, as Brendan points out, he is not making claims about a given culture’s overall developmental center of gravity, but rather on the cognitive performance of certain individuals within a culture, as measured by the Lectical Scale.
Brendan’s presentation covers the theoretical foundations, core methodology, and preliminary results of the study — particularly its examination of texts from forager and archaic societies. In the ensuing discussion, participants explore crucial questions, such as:
- The origins of the CCI framework and how it measures individual cognitive complexity,
- How cognitive complexity relates to cultural evolution — and why they are not the same thing,
- The shift from mythic narratives to rational-scientific models—and how each stage builds upon the last,
- The hidden structures of meaning-making and how they shapes everything from politics to personal identity
- How the CCI helps dispel myths about cultural development, such as challenging the notion that early societies were incapable of producing later-stage artifacts or ideas, and clarifying the sequential-but-nonlinear nature of human evolution
For integral thinkers, the CCI aspires to provide both empirical validation and refinement of existing developmental models. While supporting key developmental insights, it also suggests nuanced updates to conventional correlations between social and cognitive complexity. Most importantly, the findings point toward practical applications — helping to frame new “stories of wholeness” that are adequate to the challenges of our time.
This research represents a significant step in bringing empirical rigor to cultural evolution theories while refining and deepening our understanding. By applying careful measurement and analysis, it enhances our understanding of both our developmental past and the challenges of constructing more complex and integrative meaning systems for the future.

Jan 26, 2025 • 1h 51min
The Big Picture Mind: What Every Elite is Missing
Welcome to the Transformation Age
We are living in one of the most extraordinary moments in human history. The world is shifting beneath our feet — politically, economically, technologically, ecologically, and spiritually. This new era is characterized by rapid, self-reinforcing transformations across all aspects of life. Unlike previous historical shifts, change itself has become the dominant force, creating a world that is increasingly difficult to navigate with traditional ways of thinking.
This is the mission of The Big Picture Mind — to cultivate a way of thinking that can navigate these vast changes, helping us make sense of complexity rather than being overwhelmed by it.
Why Big Picture Thinking?
Too often, our world is shaped by small ideologies masquerading as big pictures—fragmented views that fail to address the depth and interconnectedness of our crises. “Big picture” minds are those that can rise above these limitations, synthesizing knowledge across disciplines, paradigms, and perspectives.
Robb introduces the idea that knowledge has evolved through four key stages:
Disciplinary – Specialized fields of study (economics, psychology, physics, etc.).
Interdisciplinary – The blending of fields to generate new insights (e.g., behavioral economics).
Transdisciplinary – Actual big pictures in the 21st century, identifying patterns that connect across all knowledge.
Arch-Disciplinary – An emerging, speculative level that distills the core onto-epistemic primitives of the universe common to all big pictures.
To meet the demands of the Transformation Age, we must think more holographically, learning to see the interwoven nature of reality with greater clarity and wisdom.
The Five Crises Defining Our Time
Robb outlines five seismic shifts reshaping our world:
Ecological Transformation
We are transitioning from the Holocene to the Anthropocene, where human activity is the dominant force shaping the planet. Climate change, biodiversity loss, and ecological degradation are no longer distant threats—they are shaping our societies now.
The Rise of Hyperreality
Borrowing from philosopher Jean Baudrillard, Robb describes how we increasingly live in a world of symbols detached from reality—a world where a meme coin can represent political power, and narratives are engineered rather than discovered. This disconnect is creating a profound crisis of discernment.
The Meaning Crisis
Across the world, people are struggling with existential confusion, depression, and a loss of purpose. Without a credible story of wholeness, individuals feel unmoored, caught between outdated mythologies and an arid, reductionist modernism.
The Technological Singularity
AI is accelerating toward Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and beyond. If left unchecked, this could reify neo-feudal social structures, concentrating power among a small elite while diminishing social mobility. Governance systems are woefully unprepared for the scale of these disruptions.
The Breakdown of Global Governance
The world order that has existed since World War II—often referred to as Pax Americana—is fracturing. In its place, we see the return of realist imperialism, economic volatility, and social instability. Populism and reactionary authoritarianism are symptoms of this deeper structural unraveling.
The Metacrisis and the Integral Response
These crises do not exist in isolation — they form a “metacrisis”, an interlocking systemic breakdown of coherence at all levels of human life. This calls for a new kind of intelligence — one that is capable of integrating perspectives rather than getting lost in fragmentation.

Jan 8, 2025 • 14min
A View From Somewhere: Embracing Embodied Perspectives to Navigate Complexity
Watch the full 2-hour episode here:
https://integrallife.com/a-view-from-somewhere-an-introduction-to-metatheory/
Mark and Bruce invite us to move beyond the illusion of an all-encompassing, detached perspective to embrace the richness of our situated, embodied viewpoints. By exploring humanity's innate capacity for storytelling — whether through ancient myths, indigenous traditions, or modern narratives — it highlights the collaborative power of shared meaning-making in navigating today’s complex global challenges. As we grapple with "hyperobjects" like climate change and cultural fragmentation, Mark and Bruce advocate for cultivating the skills to hold multiple perspectives, engage dialogically, and co-create integrative stories that can anchor our shared humanity while addressing the immense problems we face.

Dec 8, 2024 • 10min
How the Drama Triangle Keeps You Stuck (and How to Break Free)
Watch the full episode here:
https://integrallife.com/breaking-the-cycle-drama-problem-solving-and-relational-mastery/
In this episode, Corey deVos and Dr. Keith Witt explore one of the most common yet misunderstood aspects of human interaction: the tension between drama and problem-solving. They dive deeply into the "Drama Triangle," a psychological framework that reveals how the roles of victim, rescuer, and persecutor trap us in cycles of dysfunction. These dynamics, while often personal, are also embedded in cultural systems, politics, and even therapy itself.
Drawing from integral theory, Keith explains how drama is a signal of relational disconnection and unmet needs, while problem-solving is a path of self-awareness, connection, and growth. They discuss how therapy provides a transformative space by balancing unconditional acceptance with clear expectations for change, helping clients shift from reactive drama to creative problem-solving. Through rich examples—including Keith’s personal stories and reflections—they illuminate the emotional and relational signals that help us recognize when we’re stuck in drama and how to move beyond it.
Key themes include:
- The power of self-awareness to shift from reactive drama to empowered problem-solving.
- How relational disconnection is often the first problem to solve in any relationship.
- The interplay of cultural narratives, such as green postmodernism, in amplifying cycles of victimhood and blame.
- Why integrating emotional connection (relating) with practical resolution (problem-solving) creates transformative relationships.
- The role of emotional signals, such as urgency or secrecy, in identifying drama dynamics.
Whether you’re navigating complex relationships, exploring personal growth, or grappling with cultural and systemic challenges, this episode offers practical insights and profound perspective shifts. Join Corey and Keith as they unpack the patterns that keep us stuck and the practices that help us grow.

Oct 30, 2024 • 1h 15min
SALT for Climate: Redefining Urgency and Transformation in Climate Leadership
The Sensemaking, Action, and Leadership Training (SALT) for Climate initiative tackles a crucial blindspot in today’s climate response: the lack of conscious, integrative sensemaking as a foundation for meaningful action. SALT for Climate brings together cutting-edge psychosocial research, skilled facilitation in human dynamics, and transformative Big Picture metatheories to help climate leaders address the psychological and systemic gaps in existing political, economic, and scientific paradigms.
Through specialized training and coaching, SALT enhances the emotional, social, and consciousness capacities of those leading climate efforts, bridging the divide between climate policies and public understanding—a gap that often stalls progress and drives polarization. This scalable approach complements the scientific and technical aspects of climate action, fostering greater public engagement and supporting more impactful, integrative climate leadership.
In this episode of IAM Insider, host Josh Leonard sits down with Gail Hochachka and Lisa Gibson, leaders of the SALT for Climate initiative, to explore their pioneering approach to climate action. They discuss the often-overlooked psychological and social dimensions of climate work, share insights from their work on collective sensemaking and leadership training, and explain why a focus on human dynamics may be the missing piece in our response to the climate crisis. Listen in to discover how SALT for Climate is helping us rethink what effective climate action looks like.

Oct 23, 2024 • 15min
What Is the Content/Structure Fallacy?
Watch the full episode here:
https://integrallife.com/the-content-structure-fallacy-the-common-mistake-most-integralists-make/
What is the Content/Structure Fallacy?
The Content/Structure fallacy refers to the mistaken assumption that a person’s surface-level beliefs or statements (content) directly correspond to their deeper developmental stage (structure). In reality, just because someone expresses ideas that seem to align with a particular developmental level doesn’t mean they are themselves operating from that level.
In other words, it’s not what we believe, but how we hold those beliefs that reflects our stage of development.
For example, someone might champion pluralistic (Green) values but do so with the rigid, dogmatic mindset of an earlier Amber stage. This is common in certain ideological movements where progressive values are enforced in authoritarian or dogmatic ways — a clear case of later-stage content being interpreted and enacted through an earlier-stage lens. It’s similar to memorizing the solution to a calculus problem without knowing how to do the math that produces that solution in the first place.
Conversely, just because someone identifies with a traditionally Amber affiliation like Christianity doesn’t mean they hold that faith in a purely Amber way. A person could practice Christianity through the reflective, self-authoring lens of Orange (modern) or even from an Integral (Teal or Turquoise) perspective, embodying a more complex and nuanced understanding of their faith.
We often encounter stereotypes like “environmentalists must be Green” or “entrepreneurs must be Orange,” but these assumptions overlook the complexity of how individuals hold and express their values. It’s possible to advocate for environmental causes (typically associated with Green) from a highly rational, results-oriented (Orange) perspective, or even from a deeply principled and disciplined (Amber) perspective. Similarly, an entrepreneur might embrace meritocratic values (Orange) but approach their business with a more inclusive, systems-aware stance (Green or Teal), or perhaps use.
As such, judging someone’s developmental depth based solely on their surface beliefs or affiliations is a mistake. Once the products of a given stage are socialized within a larger group, they can function more like a horizontal cultural typology than a vertical developmental structure. For example, postmodernism may have emerged from individuals at the Green stage, but as it became widely adopted across the larger culture, it was no longer exclusively populated by Green-stage individuals. Not everyone participating in postmodern culture operates from a Green stage of development. We can observe similar patterns in movements like DEI [link to Seven Sins of DEI] or even in the Integral movement [link to Integral Global].
Lastly, we must also examine our own developmental structures and how they influence our interpretation of others’ content. Our judgments about others might reveal more about our own developmental limitations and blind spots than theirs. If we are using stage theory in shallow or stereotypical ways, it may indicate that we ourselves may have a content-structure fallacy built into our own self-concept, as we repeat integral-sounding content while holding it in decidedly sub-integral ways.

Jul 19, 2024 • 19min
Ready, Steady, Grow: The Art and Science of Vertical Development [PREVIEW]
In this insightful conversation, Corey DeVos and Beena Sharma explore the concept of vertical development and its importance in today's world. Beena, with over 30 years of experience in the field, shares her journey and evolving understanding of vertical development.
The discussion covers several key areas:
- The difference between horizontal and vertical development
- Common challenges people face when growing into later stages of development
- How vertical development can help address global challenges and metacrises
- Practical advice and practices for fostering vertical development
- The importance of polarity thinking in personal growth and understanding complex issues
Beena emphasizes that vertical development is not a goal but an outcome of how we live and make sense of the world. She stresses the importance of integrating earlier stages of development and warns against complacency or self-congratulation at later stages.
The conversation also touches on the application of vertical development to global issues, the role of AI in development, and the importance of having both power and perspective to effect change.
Beena introduces her VEDA training programs, which offer in-depth exploration of vertical development for personal growth and professional application. The dialogue concludes with an invitation to the Integral community to engage with these programs and continue their developmental journey. To learn more about these training opportunities, click here:
https://integrallife.com/veda-training
Throughout the discussion, Beena and Corey highlight the transformative potential of understanding and applying vertical development principles in various aspects of life and society.

Jul 8, 2024 • 2h 4min
Radical Wholeness and the Five Paths of Transformation (Ken Wilber and Andrew Holecek)
Ken Wilber and Andrew Holecek discuss Radical Wholeness and the Five Paths of Transformation. They explore waking up to non-dual awareness, growing up through stages of development, and opening up to multiple intelligences. The discussion includes cleaning up psychological shadows, balancing waking up and growing up, and the impact of collective transformation on societal evolution.